Endless Ukraine war

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“The war is not meant to be won; it is meant to be continuous.” — George Orwell, 1984

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I see that you also hate Putin for doing this.

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It's been six months. I'd hardly call that endless.
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I see that you also hate Putin for doing this.
For doing what exactly...telling the west to fuck off when the UK derailed the April peace negotiations? 
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I'm talking about the ENDLESS efforts to sabotage ANY peace deals.
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For committing genocide on the Ukranian people to blackmail the survivors to join Russia or flee to NATO safe harbours.
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That's no excuse to derail a peace treaty. 
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Absolutely so. You don't always need to bend over to negotiate with terrorists, you teach them to back off with their cocksure demands.
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That's what the military industrial complex wants you to think. The alternative is an end to war and killing.
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@Greyparrot
Please just shut up.

Obviously weapons trade corporations benefit financially from a war taking place. There is no 'complex' here, the war is real and Putin has committed genocide even indirectly on his own people using them as cannon fodder.

You are just a keyboard warrior sad your gas prices are high thanks to this psychopath/sociopath, looking for someone to blame other than the lunatic himself.
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@Swagnarok
It's been six months. I'd hardly call that endless.

The Soviet–Afghan War (1979–1989)

But the Russians are up against America and the NATO countries which might end the Ukrainian invasion sooner.











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Lol, I am a realist. America cant afford a prolonged war like we did on false pretenses with korea/vietnam/iraq/afghan just to enrich the military lobbies. Not during a period of an extended recession on the back of massive inflation.

If the UK wants to send Boris to Ukraine on an emergency visit just to stop a peace deal, that's on the UK. Then you can explain to the world how important it was to burn Ukraine to the ground to "punish Putin"
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Lol, I am a realist. America cant afford a prolonged war like we did on false pretenses with korea/vietnam/iraq/afghan just to enrich the military lobbies.

If the UK wants to send Boris to stop a peace deal, that's on the UK. Then you can explain to the world how important it was to burn Ukraine to the ground to "punish Putin"
Europe has survived 2 world wars. America has fought prolonged wars  with korea/vietnam/iraq/afghan just to enrich the military lobbies.

So Russia knows what America and Europe are capable of. 

But both Russia and America lost to Afghanistan. Let us hope Afghanistan does not get dragged in this war.
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Putin's objective was never peace.

Putin's assumption was an immediate Ukrainian capitulation in the face of overwhelming odds.

But he underestimated the courage and solidarity of the Ukrainian people.

Now he's between a rock and a hard place.


So.

Not sure where your downer on the U.K. stems from. But you do seem to have a tendency to want to blame everyone but the real culprit. 

Maybe you have a thing for bad guys.
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Putin's objective was never peace.

Putin's assumption was an immediate Ukrainian capitulation in the face of overwhelming odds.

But he underestimated the courage and solidarity of the Ukrainian people.

Now he's between a rock and a hard place.


So.

Not sure where your downer on the U.K. stems from. But you do seem to have a tendency to want to blame everyone but the real culprit. 

Maybe you have a thing for bad guys.
America knows it is expensive to dislike any country including their own.
700,000 lives list in Americas civil war.
50,000 American lives lost in Vietnam.
Over 4 trillion cost of Iraq and Afghan war.
Billions in military aid to Ukraine.
Putin would have paid Trump to stay out of the Ukraine war. Unfortunately Trump got caught bragging about it.


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Putin would have paid Trump to stay out of the Ukraine war. Unfortunately Trump got caught bragging about it.
How much did he pay Joe to allow him to kill thousands with artillary shells over the past year?

Didn't Joe brag about how he owned Ukraine?