Ruby Red Mississippi asks for Federal money

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“Jackson, MS, already located in one of the poorest states in the U.S., has seen its tax base dwindle and is far short of the revenues leaders say are necessary to fix outdated water infrastructure in mostly black neighborhoods. While the bipartisan infrastructure bill passed last November includes $459 million for water improvements throughout the state, Mayor Lumumba (D)  has said the city would need at least $2 billion to fix its water infrastructure.”
— The Hill

Governor Tate Reeves (R) was on TV today saying the state needs support from the federal government to fix their sewer and water systems.

Note - Mississippi already gets way more money back from the US treasury than it sends. Why should we tax blue state residents with their high incomes only to give it to poor red states. This is Socialism! If Republicans want drinking water in Mississippi then raise the state and local taxes to pay for it.




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Wow. I'm surprised there's been no pushback. 
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Drain the swamp.
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If Republicans want drinking water in Mississippi then raise the state and local taxes to pay for it.

That will definitely make the State trust government more. I support this move,
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Given the demographic make up of Mississippi, and Jackson in particular, it’s all but certain that the poor voters in that state are overwhelmingly democratic. In other words, if you isolated the population of people in Mississippi who cause the state to receive more than it pays in taxes, that population would be deep blue 

I get what you’re trying to say but it just comes off as a little hamfisted and cruel to shit on poor people who are struggling with a disaster because they live in the wrong state. In this case in particular they even vote the way you’d want them to 
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73.4% of Jackson residents voted Democrat in the last presidential election. That's a higher percentage than California. Sounds like money will be going primarily to the benefit of blue voters to me.
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Given the demographic make up of Mississippi, and Jackson in particular, it’s all but certain that the poor voters in that state are overwhelmingly democratic. 
Most of Mississippi is poor including the white people. I’m sure the state does what it can to keep the poor blacks from voting, including gerrymandering, ID requirements, long lines to vote in the black areas, etc… But again, if Mississippi wants clean water for it’s population they should raise money for it by themselves rather than taking money from the blue states which is where the federal government gets most of it’s money.

Obviously what is happening  in Mississippi, because the state is so uneducated and poor, is they take money from the federal government and use it to maintain the white areas first. The black areas get low priority because the political power in the state is controlled by the whites. This is the Jim Crow system in a nutshell. The federal government shouldn’t give states more money back than they send especially if these states claim to be adverse to the evils of socialism.
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73.4% of Jackson residents voted Democrat in the last presidential election. That's a higher percentage than California. Sounds like money will be going primarily to the benefit of blue voters to me.
The state is red. The state should have to pay for its own water system, not the federal government. This is socialism!

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Most of Mississippi is poor including the white people. I’m sure the state does what it can to keep the poor blacks from voting, including gerrymandering, ID requirements, long lines to vote in the black areas, etc… 
According to the Kaiser Family Foundation the poverty rate among whites in Mississippi is 11.7%. This is a tick higher than the 9% average nationwide. However the state is almost 40% black, and nearly 1/3rd of that group is in poverty. Mississippi’s poverty is overwhelmingly due to its large and very poor black population. It just is. Personally, as a net tax payer who comes from a family and community of net tax payers I’m happy to help out in a situation like this as Roosevelt would’ve been. I can’t imagine something that’s a more justified use of money than giving people drinking water. 

You’re just shitting on poor people (in this case poor democrats) and acting like it makes you progressive because they live in the wrong state. 


But again, if Mississippi wants clean water for it’s population they should raise money for it by themselves rather than taking money from the blue states which is where the federal government gets most of it’s money.

The federal government gets like 40% of its money by literally making it up. The federal budget was 6.8 trillion in 2021, but revenues were 4 trillion. At that point is anyone even subsidizing anybody? I’m amazed that you think federal assistance for communities struck by natural disasters is somehow a bad thing. Can you be straight with me instead of trolling? Is this your actual belief system? If so, change your name please lol

Obviously what is happening  in Mississippi, because the state is so uneducated and poor, is they take money from the federal government and use it to maintain the white areas first. The black areas get low priority because the political power in the state is controlled by the whites. This is the Jim Crow system in a nutshell. The federal government shouldn’t give states more money back than they send especially if these states claim to be adverse to the evils of socialism.
Now you’re just making things up. In this case the municipal water treatment plant, which was already very aged, got knocked out due to incredibly torrential rains. I know very little about the water facilities in a city and state I don’t live in, but it appears that what happened is a mix of a significant amount of money being mismanaged by city leadership, lots of cans being kicked down the road, and continual economic decline as the economic base that built the city and infrastructure in the first place continues to depart. I wonder if you’d apply your same logic to races. If an 80% black city can’t afford drinking water they should pay more in taxes. The government shouldn’t take money from whites and asians to make sure that black people are able to *checks notes* drink water. You’re cool with that policy right? 

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The exact same situation happened in a heavily Democrat New Orleans during the decades leading up to Katrina. Plenty of money flowed to African American cities like New Orleans and Jackson, but the electorate chose corrupt leaders that chose to pay for votes through crony lobbyists instead of investing in the city with those funds.

But it's more profitable for the MSM to get paid from lobbyists to just say Bush wanted to "kill all the Black People" instead of exposing the local corruption that could help Democrat municipal electorates like Jackson learn the existential lesson of what happens when you make excuses for local municipal corruption for decades. It's not even a racial issue since most of the city leaders and councilmen are Black, it's a manifesting culture of corruption and the slow boil of getting the electorate used to that dire level of existential corruption.

This is especially a lesson Liberal states electorates desperately need to grasp today considering all the atrocious problems even rich white Democrat municipalities are now experiencing for the same exact reasons. Centrally planned Socialism comes with a existential price tag of dire corruption.
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The exact same situation happened in New Orleans during the decades leading up to Katrina. Plenty of money flowed to African American cities like New Orleans and Jackson, but the electorate chose corrupt leaders that chose to pay for votes through crony lobbyists instead of investing in the city with those funds.
Yeah one of my favorite factoids is that Detroit public schools have a higher funding per pupil than my school district did even though the outcomes at my school district are fantastic and Detroit is synonymous with failure and corruption in all things. At some point you’re past the point of “just throw money at the problem.”

In this specific case they actually do need money to fix the system but it should at least come with strings attached to make sure this doesn’t happen again 
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And history will also repeat with billions of federal funds flowing to a corrupt Democrat city where only a fraction is spent on the poor people.

Almost as bad where the hundred millions poured into BLM actually ended up in mansions instead of poor Black communities. Same old grift, same old game.
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This is why I champion the idea the OP says. I agree for a reason the OP cannot possibly fathom. The complete neglect of poor Democrats in a "Red State" will most certainly stoke a monumental outrage from poor Democrats who suddenly wake up to a world where the Federal government does not care about them.

The dystopia Pelosi and Biden have created today for poor Democrats is quickly having radical unintended consequences for the Democrat party.
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The state is red. The state should have to pay for its own water system, not the federal government. This is socialism!
Uhoh, I certainly hope not! I wouldn’t want to be a Nationalist AND a socialist.

Please, take it back! You’ve won! I’ll support whatever retarded policies you want, just stop calling me a socialist 😭

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Those damn nationalist socialists!
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It is dangerous to have such beliefs.

Oh the many times I have heard “punch a national socialist”

“Bring me some national socialist scalps!!!”
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You’re just shitting on poor people (in this case poor democrats) 
I’m shitting on Republicans who say they hate socialism except when  it benefits them .

In this country we redistribute money in  two ways. We take money from the poor and give it to the wealthy and we take money from blue state Americans and give it to red state Americans. This is terrible because it is mostly rich people and red states that say they are against socialism.

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I’m shitting on Republicans who say they hate socialism except when  it benefits them .

In this country we redistribute money in  two ways. We take money from the poor and give it to the wealthy and we take money from blue state Americans and give it to red state Americans. This is terrible because it is mostly rich people and red states that say they are against socialism.
Disaster relief isn’t socialism. You’d be hard pressed to find anyone who opposes disaster relief. The only time I’ve ever seen it opposed in any circumstance are people on this site (you and Oragami) who use it to criticize false “hypocrisy” of the other side. It comes off to me as very thinly veiled hatred. It almost seems that you want people living in “bad” states to suffer, even your own voters, just to make a point to some imaginary enemy.  

Perhaps many of the residents in the red states that receive more in taxes than they give who are skeptical of expanding welfare policies think that way BECAUSE their states have so many people already on the dole. Maybe their views are motivated by familiarity with the system and it’s actual impact on communities instead of just hypocrisy. After all, the republican voters in Mississippi aren’t usually the ones on welfare and they aren’t the ones who need a bailout for their water treatment system either 
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According to the Kaiser Family Foundation the poverty rate among whites in Mississippi is 11.7%
You know as well as I do that you don’t have to be in poverty to be poor. White people in Mississippi may not meet the Federal government definition  of poverty but they are still poor. The median household income there is 46,500 compared to 67,500 for the country.
 
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Disaster relief isn’t socialism.
No, no. This is not some hurricane. This is a failure to maintain infrastructure. This is definitely not disaster relief. Try again.

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You know as well as I do that you don’t have to be in poverty to be poor. White people in Mississippi may not meet the Federal government definition  of poverty but they are still poor. The median household income there is 46,500 compared to 67,500 for the country.
I completely disagree. “Poor” is relative, poverty is official. Welfare is doled out using official metrics. The median household size in Mississippi is 2.6 people, and that median income is surely higher for the white residents in the state. How many welfare policies does a household of 2.6 pulling almost fifty grand quality for? The fact is that the overwhelming majority of the people in poverty in that state are democratic voters. I’m sure there are some republicans out there who are on the dole but nonetheless rant about welfare users but they are a distinct minority.  

Happening to live in a state where a lot of people benefit from payments you don’t take and don’t support expanding isn’t hypocrisy at all. I’m actually happy to help poor people get on their feet even if they tend to vote for my political opponents, although I would support some reforms so nobody able to work could be on assistance for life. It’s the right thing to do. You…apparently think otherwise  
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BECAUSE their states have so many people already on the dole.
You are missing the point here. The ones who hate socialism are on the dole! The red states benefit from the socialism we have in this country as much as anyone. When blue states send money to red states because red states don’t have economies that can support the infrastructure they need, that’s socialism. Think Tennessee Valley Authority electricity for poor white folks in Appalachia. A classic example of the Federal government helping a segment of the population by PROMOTING THE GENERAL WELFARE. No one bitched when the government did this because it helped white people. But it’s socialism just as much as food stamps and Obamacare.  

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I completely disagree. “Poor” is relative, poverty is official. 
That’s ridiculous . Are you saying we can only determine who is in poverty but we can’t assess other income levels as poor, lower middle class, middle class, etc?

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The fact is that the overwhelming majority of the people in poverty in that state are democratic voters
That’s bullshit. There are many many, poor ignorant white folks in Mississippi and throughout this country and they vote Republican and they benefit from the higher education and incomes that send them money from the west coast and the Northeast via the federal government.

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the republican voters in Mississippi aren’t usually the ones on welfare and they aren’t the ones who need a bailout for their water treatment system either 
You seem to think that the only thing that constitutes socialism is welfare. Well I’m here to tell you that is not reality.

Socialism is redistributing money from people and places with high incomes to people and places with low incomes. Blue states have high incomes. Red states have low incomes. So who really benefits from socialism in this country - Blue state Americans or Red state Americans?

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Oh my God, a tax donor state is asking that they also benefit from some of the federal money blue states are leaching off of them. The audacity.
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You are missing the point here. The ones who hate socialism are on the dole! The red states benefit from the socialism we have in this country as much as anyone. When blue states send money to red states because red states don’t have economies that can support the infrastructure they need, that’s socialism. 
The one missing the point is you. Your point is taken if you just view “the state” as a singular entity instead of a collection of people. In the Deep South the individuals most likely to vote Republican are also significantly less likely to be collecting welfare or other government assistance

Imagine if I live in a neighborhood where two thirds of people were on food stamps, while I do not collect food stamps. And because I’m an autistic libertarian I oppose food stamps. Does that make me a hypocrite because I happen to live near people who utilize a policy I oppose? Of course not 

Think Tennessee Valley Authority electricity for poor white folks in Appalachia. A classic example of the Federal government helping a segment of the population by PROMOTING THE GENERAL WELFARE. No one bitched when the government did this because it helped white people. But it’s socialism just as much as food stamps and Obamacare. 
The only one bitching here is you lol. Nobody wants to deprive the people of Jackson the funds they need to get running water. You just want to score cheap and callous political points by shitting on a largely imaginary group of poor people.  

That’s bullshit. There are many many, poor ignorant white folks in Mississippi and throughout this country and they vote Republican and they benefit from the higher education and incomes that send them money from the west coast and the Northeast via the federal government
Like 75 million people voted for Trump so yeah there are plenty of just about anything you can name in that group. But the narrative you are trying to spin, that democrats ever so generously provide republicans with welfare that they all live on but bitch about anyway because they are stupid, cruel, and ungrateful is false. In reality most rich people voted for Trump although both sides got plenty of rich, poor, and middle income voters. Certainly in the Deep South the typical welfare user is not a republican voter 

That’s ridiculous . Are you saying we can only determine who is in poverty but we can’t assess other income levels as poor, lower middle class, middle class, etc?
We can but the government doles out welfare based on official metrics. The official poverty line for a family of 3 is $23k. The median household in Mississippi is double that with a smaller median family size—and the white median income is surely much higher than the state median. You simply don’t qualify for many programs with stats like that, when you’re 2.5x the poverty line. The median Trump voter in Mississippi likely isn’t a wealthy person but they aren’t on welfare either. 
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You're also missing the monumental lower cost of living in Mississippi comparatively which masks the actual prosperity rates. People own plenty of homes when you can buy a really nice one for 60K
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Title of the OP is misleading lol...

Baby Blue Jackson is the correct descriptor.
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individuals most likely to vote Republican are also significantly less likely to be collecting welfare or other government assistance
That’s bullshit. All these people are poor and stupid and they all get support from the blue states. The fattest, dumbest , poorest Americans live in red states.