Religion is an evolutionary advantage

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@Bones
You've just equivocated rape being evolutionary disadvantageous with it being disgusting. These two things not contingent upon each other. 
Nope. I've argued that it's disgusting **because** it's evolutionarily disadvantageous. 

Evolutionary disadvantage --> disgust towards it.

No equivocation there.

How does it not increase the gene pool? Evolution via natural selection is process which results in the adaptation of an organism to its environment by means of selectively reproducing changes in its genotype, or genetic constitution. A population which constantly rapes their kind will increase their gene pool exponentially, hence increasing the possibility for a desirable mutation. If we look purely evolutionarily, which is what you seem to be doing, the population with 100 people (90 percent of whom were conceived through rape) would be at a higher advantage than the population with 10 people (who committed no rape). 
I said it doesn't "help the genepool", not increase the genepool.

Your analogy doesn't align with reality, either. The two choice are not: (1) rape, or (2) have no offspring. People can have selective sex just as fast rape sex. Sexual selection is based mostly on physical appearance anyway, so it doesn't take very long to select. Over time, you'll have better genes for the tribe because they're being selected for, too. Remember it takes 9 months for a woman to reproduce.
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Actually 

The mere fact that it is illegal to rape someone and it comes with decades of incarceration could infact change things. 

It might not be evolutionary advantageous  .

So now you are asking.
How can something that should have  nothing to do with a thing being evolutionary  advantageous  or not . Ie you got to jail if you get caught rapping someone where you will NOT be passing on your " jeans  " 

I am not taking congical visits into this fact , which however down the line has to be factored in 
Wich is only the frigging start of weighing things up.
Who knows.  


I'm going to use my second last pass here. 


PASS.

BUTTTTTTTT.
THINKING ABOUT THINGS BEING EVOLUTIONARY ADVANTAGEOUS  OR NOT IS FUCKING PRETTY FUN. 
so so many things need to be factored in hey? 

It takes you like a half an hour to get over the fact that rape is not very nice has nothing to do with weather something is evo ad or evo diss.

Good game.
Good game.


  
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@Avery
You've just equivocated rape being evolutionary disadvantageous with it being disgusting. These two things not contingent upon each other. 
Nope. I've argued that it's disgusting **because** it's evolutionarily disadvantageous. 
And how is it evolutionarily disadvantageous? 

I said it doesn't "help the genepool", not increase the genepool.
Do you understand how evolution via natural selection works? Those who are aggressive survive, and as rape is by nature a violating disposition upon a seperate agent which also increases the gene pool and thus allows for mutation, a male who constantly rapes other are better equipped to pass their offspring on, when compared to a morally sane person. 

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And the biggest issue - even if religion is advantageous, how does this tie to its truth? 
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It is not " Evo Advent "   to get caught raping someone the first three maybe four times. 

It seems pity and stupid to bring up any of these points BUT 
ya have to if youa using the good old  (  is it advent or is it not scales ) 

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@Bones
And how is it evolutionarily disadvantageous? 
Again, it's because women aren't weeding out undesirable genes.

Do you understand how evolution via natural selection works? Those who are aggressive survive, and as rape is by nature a violating disposition upon a seperate agent which also increases the gene pool and thus allows for mutation, a male who constantly rapes other are better equipped to pass their offspring on, when compared to a morally sane person. 
Aggression is part of evolutionary success, but not all aggression is desirable. This is an instance wherein aggression isn't desirable. It pollutes the genepool with undesirable genetics. It makes tribes/groups weaker in the long-run. Yes, the individual organism gets to pass on genetics, but it makes it more likely that the genetic lineage will end if you don't select for desirable genetics.

Just blindly breeding doesn't help the genepool. Yes, it increases it, but it isn't the best way to increase it. 

And the biggest issue - even if religion is advantageous, how does this tie to its truth? 
It's not an issue at all for this thread. This thread is specifically about whether religion is evolutionary advantageous, not whether there is any truth to it. I even wrote the opening sentence to address this: "Functionally, regardless of whether the religion in question is true, it will solve issues that humans face."

A total red herring.
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@Avery
Science is replacing religion in almost every aspect.

Feeding millions.
Curing millions.
Giving hope to millions.
Answering questions that baffled mankind which religion was unable to solve.
Science can't make you stop fearing death. Science can't drag you out of the blackpill. Science can't make you a moral person.

Science is not a replacement for god(s).
Science makes you understand death so you don’t have to fear it.
Medical science and medication can drag you out of dark worlds.
Science can teach you how complex life  is and help you to respect life.
Science reduces the reliance on mythical gods and puts you in the hands of professional and qualified doctors and shrinks.

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@Deb-8-a-bull
The mere fact that it is illegal to rape someone and it comes with decades of incarceration could infact change things. 
Why would people feel the need to outlaw rape in the first place? You're putting the cart before the horse.


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@Shila
Science makes you understand death so you don’t have to fear it.
Understanding death's permanence makes it scarier. You really think putting a gun to scientist's head wouldn't make him/her scared?

Besides, this competes with religion's "eternal afterlife" or "reincarnation". You're dead lost here.

Medical science and medication can drag you out of dark worlds.
Explain to me how the blackpill is refuted by science? If anything it's backed by science LOL.

Science can teach you how complex life  is and help you to respect life.
Show me any scientific research that indicates teaching people "how complex life" is makes them more moral.

Not to mention that you're competing with spiritual beings who can see everything you do and will judge you based on it. Science doesn't come close to filling that hole.

Science reduces the reliance on mythical gods and puts you in the hands of professional and qualified doctors and shrinks.
Science is great in that it can produce things that work. Science fails hard on some difficult facets of human psychology. Tyranny of the intellect is a historical meme that always lead to degenerate ruin. Unless humans undergo drastic change or replacement, it'll happen again.
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Do you understand how evolution via natural selection works? Those who are aggressive survive, and as rape is by nature a violating disposition upon a seperate agent which also increases the gene pool and thus allows for mutation, a male who constantly rapes other are better equipped to pass their offspring on, when compared to a morally sane person. 
Aggression is part of evolutionary success, but not all aggression is desirable. This is an instance wherein aggression isn't desirable. It pollutes the genepool with undesirable genetics. It makes tribes/groups weaker in the long-run. Yes, the individual organism gets to pass on genetics, but it makes it more likely that the genetic lineage will end if you don't select for desirable genetics.
No, what will happen is that the tribe is, as a population, bred to be more aggressive and hence be able to survive. This is not simply about the individual survival, it is about how, if enacted, rape furthers the evolutionary success of a population, at least in the instance we are discussing. 

And the biggest issue - even if religion is advantageous, how does this tie to its truth? 
It's not an issue at all for this thread. This thread is specifically about whether religion is evolutionary advantageous, not whether there is any truth to it. I even wrote the opening sentence to address this: "Functionally, regardless of whether the religion in question is true, it will solve issues that humans face."
It's clearly implied what you are getting at - I would wager that you are religious, are you not? Further, as a society, we ought to pursue truth over falsehood, so I think neglecting the truth element is detrimental. 




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The true greatest part about science is hearing the teacher say . 
' Ok guys  get out your  Bunsen burners '
mmmmmmmmmmmmm fire.
Yes fire.  
Setting shlt on fire is the best.   
I mean science  EXPERIMENTS 
Yeah experiments. 

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@Bones
No, what will happen is that the tribe is, as a population, bred to be more aggressive and hence be able to survive. This is not simply about the individual survival, it is about how, if enacted, rape furthers the evolutionary success of a population, at least in the instance we are discussing. 
There's just more to sexual selection than how aggressive you are. Yes, it's important. No, it's not the only variable. No one wants children with down syndrome, shoddy immune systems, bug eyes, cleft heads etc. If you don't select for those things because you're raping everything, then you'll end up with a pool of genes that are seriously mixed. Meanwhile, the neighboring tribe takes an extra bit of time to select for desirable genetics, and thus produces better children on the whole. The effect compounds with each generation, and eventually the selecting tribe is far superior.

Evolution isn't based off the single variable of aggression.

And the biggest issue - even if religion is advantageous, how does this tie to its truth? 
It's not an issue at all for this thread. This thread is specifically about whether religion is evolutionary advantageous, not whether there is any truth to it. I even wrote the opening sentence to address this: "Functionally, regardless of whether the religion in question is true, it will solve issues that humans face."
It's clearly implied what you are getting at - I would wager that you are religious, are you not? Further, as a society, we ought to pursue truth over falsehood, so I think neglecting the truth element is detrimental. 
No, I'm an Atheist, and you look like a massive idiot for derailing the thread because you think it's "clearly implied" I'm arguing that religion holds the truth, especially when I explicitly said in my OP's opening sentence: "Functionally, regardless of whether the religion in question is true, it will solve issues that humans face."

It couldn't be more obvious that I'm arguing about the functionality of religion, not the veracity LOL.

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You'll  remember seeing that first piece of magnesium on fire. 

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Thats 1
57 posts in and you think any other person other then you is going to think bones is an idiot.

Totally  Incorrect.  Nor is he a derailer 

Avery. 
Say sorry and move on.  


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If a group has 30 selfless individuals unafraid of death and willing to die for their God, they have an advantage over tribes in warfare who do fear death
Unless, of course, the other tribe has 1000's of warriors. 
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@Avery
See the title of the OP is really  starting to annoy me now. 
Ha, thats good hey ?  Dyslix.  

No but Avery . What do you think the strongest post or point you or someone else has put foward to " oppose " it. ?

Anddddd. 
Can i get your guess on .
Religion,  how much percent good has it done for us  as to not good. 

I was going to be real generous and say . 
Religion has done us at least 75% bad  to  25 % good. 
Thats like MEGA generous from me i feel.
Actually 
78 % bad to 22% 

What is yours ? 
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@Avery
I'm glad you threw a funny hat into the air.
I didn't say I was a graduate. I'm literally studying this right now.
Tribes that were indifferent to rape would have a mixbag of genes.
That's a good thing. It's called genetic diversity.
Tribes that were against rape would have women select for favorable genes.
Once again, women don't select for genes, they select for attraction (which can correlate with genetic fitness but not reliably)
Over time, the selection of favorable genes will result in healthier, smarter and genetically fitter people.
Evolution doesn't select (directly) for intelligence or (after reproduction) even health. It selects for having the most offspring survive to have more offspring. That's why only 200 years ago people lived to 40 and had 7 kids on average.
This rape mentality fails the rapists in the long run, even if not immediately, because their bad genes aren't filtered out via female selection.
Evolution isn't capable of foresight. It works one generation at a time. So whatever has an evolutionary advantage in one generation will be promoted in the next, regardless of what's best in the long run. So once again, yes, rape has an evolutionary advantage as a reproductive strategy, similar to how to competing reproductive strategies exist for male cuttlefish. [1] And rape exists in other species, not just humans, though scientists like to call is sexual coercion instead. If there were an evolutionary advantage to use a different reproductive strategy, then rape would have ceased to exist.
But the proof is in the pudding anyway: we have intense feelings against rape; evolution has already selected against rapists. You're arguing against what is already established as fact.
Once again, anything with an evolutionary disadvantage doesn't stick around. The fact that rape has existed for all of recorded history and is shared by our closest relative, the chimpanzee, indicates that some amount of rape is able to meet a Nash equilibrium on reproductive fitness.


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@K_Michael
I didn't say I was a graduate. I'm literally studying this right now.
Until you throw the funny hat into the air, all your arguments are wrong.

Tribes that were indifferent to rape would have a mixbag of genes.
That's a good thing. It's called genetic diversity.
You don't want the genetic diversity if that means inferior genes. Besides, you're contending with the far better sexual selection route which produces genetic diversity anyway. So, due to parity, your method is objectively inferior.

Tribes that were against rape would have women select for favorable genes.
Once again, women don't select for genes, they select for attraction (which can correlate with genetic fitness but not reliably)
You've already conceded that attraction is highly correlated with gene selection, but now you're doubling down to say "not reliably". Women intuitively understand that tall men are genetically better than short men, all else being equal. Obviously, women aren't observing the genome of each man to determine his height. Does it matter that women aren't directly observing the genome to determine genetic fitness? No, it doesn't, because the physical genetic expression is a good enough indication.

Stop wasting everyone's time.

Over time, the selection of favorable genes will result in healthier, smarter and genetically fitter people.
Evolution doesn't select (directly) for intelligence or (after reproduction) even health. It selects for having the most offspring survive to have more offspring. That's why only 200 years ago people lived to 40 and had 7 kids on average.
Yes, evolution isn't looking at humans and saying 'hmm, how much intelligence do you have? Do you have enough to breed?' Rather, intelligence is "indirectly" helping humans to survive in order to produce. Hence, it is being selected for via proxxy of intelligent actions. 

But by all means start saying stupid things to women incessantly, like 'Donald Trump is Batman' or 'Hitler was just an Austrian painter', and you'll quickly see how "indirectly" intelligence is selected for.

As for your health claim, that's far more obviously wrong. Unhealthy people are a visceral turn off. That's why people who suffered acid attacks struggle to find people to date, despite being genetically intact on the inside. That's why short hair is unattractive on women (indicates poor health). That's why discolored, red skin doesn't look great (could indicate disease or infection). Being in good health is so obviously selected for that I'm struggling to think of how you even claimed it wasn't.

Evolution isn't capable of foresight. It works one generation at a time. So whatever has an evolutionary advantage in one generation will be promoted in the next, regardless of what's best in the long run. So once again, yes, rape has an evolutionary advantage as a reproductive strategy, similar to how to competing reproductive strategies exist for male cuttlefish. [1] And rape exists in other species, not just humans, though scientists like to call is sexual coercion instead. If there were an evolutionary advantage to use a different reproductive strategy, then rape would have ceased to exist.
No, no, no.

The effect of the non-selection strategy makes the people weaker, less genetically attractive overall, over time. Eventually, the rape genetics that weren't selected for are going to be bred out anyway. The effect happens DESPITE there being no foresight. 

If rape was an evolutionary advantage, then why are people so adverse to it? Why is it outlawed in so many countries? What caused these facts?

Once again, anything with an evolutionary disadvantage doesn't stick around. The fact that rape has existed for all of recorded history and is shared by our closest relative, the chimpanzee, indicates that some amount of rape is able to meet a Nash equilibrium on reproductive fitness.
It helps the individual. It doesn't help the tribe in the long-run. Tribes started to eschew it; civilizations fully reject it. 

Rape has virtually gone extinct worldwide. Almost all sex is consensual. 

But hey, if you think rape is so advantageous, go out there and try it. See what kind of response you get to your "evolutionary advantageous" ways.
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Yep.

Collectivism is a good species survival strategy.

Ideology is an evolutionary development thereof.

Deism and religious development were an evolutionary inevitability of an intellectual specialist.
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People literally did human sacrifices for their polytheist Gods. To argue they wouldn't die for them is a bit silly.
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See the title of the OP is really  starting to annoy me now. 
Ha, thats good hey ?  Dyslix.  

No but Avery . What do you think the strongest post or point you or someone else has put foward to " oppose " it. ?
I guess the violence point made me think. But again, violence is a human thing. I'd even guess that religion makes people less violent.

Anddddd. 
Can i get your guess on .
Religion,  how much percent good has it done for us  as to not good. 
Religion is filling gaps that human psychology really needs to be healthy.

What is that as a "percent good?" Who knows.

I was going to be real generous and say . 
Religion has done us at least 75% bad  to  25 % good. 
Thats like MEGA generous from me i feel.
Actually 
78 % bad to 22% 
Let me guess why you wrote these random percentages: because of all the violence, right? 

Do you understand how bloody and cruel life human history was before religion? Please, put it in your own words (or random percentage).
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Yep.

Collectivism is a good species survival strategy.

Ideology is an evolutionary development thereof.

Deism and religious development were an evolutionary inevitability of an intellectual specialist.
100% agree.
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Unless, of course, the other tribe has 1000's of warriors
I don't think anybody will dispute that more than one type of advantage can exist, and that some advantages are better than others
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Remember that Nazi troops had belt buckles that said "God Is With Us".
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Thats a false buckle right there.  

If however god was in fact with them , thats a true buckle , imagine the bloke who thought.  This needs reminding of sorts. 
Ill make a buckle saying . God is with us. 
Picture the mindset behind just a buckle. 
But um. Instead of a reminder buckle imagin a stikka buckle that detaaches and you can use ut like a ninja star. 


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Yep… it seems that way.

The important thing to keep in mind is that in the absence of typical, spiritual religion, something MUST take its place lest a nihilistic, purposeless emptiness become all that is left. Societies and individuals replace religion with quasi-religions, either knowingly or unknowingly, such as:

- the state, as in North Korea and former Soviet Union
- fighting climate change/environmentalism
- fighting poverty/humanism
- fighting animal cruelty
- fighting racial discrimination
- scientism
- accumulation of wealth/capitalism
- philanthropy/legacy creation

Of course, except for allegiance to the state and perhaps scientism, none of these preclude religious belief, but they can serve as replacements to religion if people are deciding to reject religion outright.
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See:   Morality evolved first, long before Religion
           February 10, 2010
            By John Shook

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Religion is an evolutionary advantage. 

No one speaks like that.

Picture walking up to a group of 5 or so people and politely saying. 
' Religion is an evolutionary advantage ' 
Pauseeeeeeeee
A long pause would occur followed by one person saying in a chuckle manner ' yeah but religion does alot of bad things ' a silly comment in this text butttt.
Thats what will occur. 94 % of the time. 
Then you walk away and the group of people all look at each other and laugh  and say. WTF was that all about. 
What a tripper. 

Religion is an evolutionary advantage.
Who could one possible put this statement  before apart from a religious forum ?    

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Religion is an evolutionary advantage. 
Who could one possible put this statement  before apart from a religious forum ?    
Religion does have an evolutionary advantage.
As humans evolve their views in religion grow more sophisticated.

For example Jesus was a liar and lunatic to the Jews of his generation. They demanded Jesus be crucified. The Romans crucified Jesus.

But several centuries later Jesus from a dead crucified liar and lunatic evolved to be the God of the Roman Catholic Church and all of Christianity.



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Unless, of course, the other tribe has 1000's of warriors
I don't think anybody will dispute that more than one type of advantage can exist, and that some advantages are better than others
I'm not convinced indifference to survival is an evolutionary advantage.