Atheism and humanism are completely contradictory

Polytheist-Witch: Atheist complain they don't like religion because the morals are black and white but when you talk about the morals not being black and white then they say gods are useless. So I really wish they'd make up their mind.

Atheist complain they don't like religion because the morals are black and white but when you talk about the morals not being black and white then they say gods are useless.

Atheist complain they don't like religion because the morals are black and white but when you talk about the morals not being black and white then they say gods are useless. So I really wish they'd make up their mind.

You can choose to follow it as your moral standard if you want

Was it these lexographers that told you a person can only use the definition of a word if the word describes them? 

they did manage to explain

that dictionaries are not "authoritative"

and in order to understand how someone is using a word

you need to ask the speaker

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You have a lot of imaginary freinds, don't you?

You can choose to follow it as your moral standard if you want

how exactly can anyone do this ?

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You can choose to follow it as your moral standard if you want

how exactly can anyone do this ?

I agree it's absurd, but I'm just being charitable for the sake of argument. The point is that even if I accept the basic premise of their position, their argument still fails.

Your lexographer buddies told you their dictionary definitions are just suggestions, the actual definition of a word is arbitrarily up to the person using the word.  

So it’s their  argument that still fails even though you accept the basic premise of their position.

You just need them to argue their case better.

So it’s their  argument that still fails even though you accept the basic premise of their position.

You just need them to argue their case better.

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So it’s their  argument that still fails even though you accept the basic premise of their position.

You just need them to argue their case better.

I said I accept their position for the sake of argument.

A -> B -> C

I don't have to accept A as true in order to show you that B does not -> C

So you would prefer their arguments be reduced to logical connectives?

Your lexographer buddies told you their dictionary definitions are just suggestions, the actual definition of a word is arbitrarily up to the person using the word.  

Monitoring trends in the way people speak and write is a major part of this job. Lexicographers are often required to pay attention to the use of specific words, phrases, and jargon. 

The use of a word or phrase may change over time. When the general population recognizes and accepts this change, a lexicographer may update a dictionary entry to reflect the new use of the word.

For example, the word “awful” was originally used to describe something worthy of awe, such as an inspiring moment. Over the years, the word “awful” took on a negative meaning. [**]

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So you would prefer their arguments be reduced to logical connectives?

always and forever

But you lost your 3 debates. Proof Your logic does not connect.

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But you lost your 3 debates. Proof Your logic does not connect.

two of those are self-moderated debates

if "god's morality" is NOT "black & white" then how can it be a useful standard ?

Just as I could choose to define goodness differently.

So you would prefer their arguments be reduced to logical connectives?

Just as I could choose to define goodness differently.

But you can’t, the concept of goodness existed long before you but it started with God hence why only He can define it.

Your choices do not make morality objective.

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So you would prefer their arguments be reduced to logical connectives?

An argument that does not connect logically is irrational by definition. 

If insisting that an argument be rational is a reduction to you then you have issues I can’t help you with.

Just as I could choose to define goodness differently.

But you can’t, the concept of goodness existed long before you but it started with God hence why only He can define it.

If only God can define goodness, how do you account for the fact that most atheists tend to be ethical people of high moral character.