Atheism and humanism are completely contradictory

You disagreed with the view points of two members and lost both debates. So we know why you are here.

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You disagreed with the view points of two members and lost both debates. So we know why you are here.

Debate votes don’t determine who is right. It’s remarkable that you need that explained to you.

But then again not really when considering the obvious attempt to troll based on this pointless response which completely ignored the point being made

what does your god want me to do ?

Do you know of anyone else that does the same things as Double_R?

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Well I already told you my issue with your “version”, you went on to list three examples of right subjective answers then backpedaled by agreeing there objective under a given pretense, no wonder why you’re a subjectivity advocate because you can’t keep your arguments objectively consistent.

Unless you are going to argue “might equals right”, this does nothing to rationally justify accepting him as your moral standard. It is nothing more than self preservation.

LOL, nope, I'm still not playing your puerile game here, I'm simply stating the fact that it's innane to say Atheism "has absolutely nothing to do with  ONTOLOGICAL and or EPISTEMOLOGICAL questions".

So in other words; you are making a claim, on a debate site, and then when that claim is directly challenged with a counter argument your response is to dismiss it as a game and restate your original assertion “as fact”.

Why are you here then?

I'm not talking about your little Atheism cult with it's dogmatic beliefs, it's rituals and it's childish burden of proof game

I understand that it must be frustrating to hold a position which you cannot justify. If I held into such a position I’m pretty sure I would hate talking about the burden of proof as well. But it is a real thing that matters in the real world.

What’s ironic is that you claim to be seeking a better understanding of epistemological and ontological questions and yet you avoid one of the most basic concepts within it as if you owed it child support.

I also know what skepticism is, it is not a philosophic system that only applies to Theism, that's just your kiddie game, I'm talking about real world philosophical issues. 

I never suggested it only applied to theism. You made that up completely out of thin air, and in doing so demonstrate a remarkable level of close mindedness and confirmation bias.

Again, if you’re not interested in understanding the view points of those who disagree with you then why are you here?

And as far as “real world philosophical issues” goes, skepticism is again, one of the most basic ones. You are not actually seeking the conversation you claim to be seeking.

what does your god want me to do ?

Love

do you consider yourself an atheist ?

No.

how do we translate that into practical terms ?

how do we translate that into practical terms ?

Love is practical.

does your god believe it is moral to extend the current 20 years of patent protections to 100 years of patent protections ?

do you consider yourself an atheist ?

No.

if you're not an atheist, how do you know what atheists believe ?

does your god believe it is moral to extend the current 20 years of patent protections to 100 years of patent protections ?

🤷🏾‍♂️ 

You not only disagreed with others view points, you lost both debates.

You really don't get the whole definition of words thing?

Since you aren't an atheist either, how do you know what atheists believe?

If God is the creator of all things good then that means He created morality, it all starts with Him.

If God is the creator of all things good then that means He created morality, it all starts with Him.

How did you determine that anything he created was good? What standard are you using to make that assessment?

You really don't get the whole definition of words thing?

i know a few lexicographers

and they tell me that 

when compiling a dictionary

they survey editors of prominent magazines and newspapers

in order to convey

"current usage"

Was it these lexographers that told you a person can only use the definition of a word if the word describes them? 

atheism is what you have before you LEARN about a god and or gods and or the goddess and or goddesses 

that's my point here

you don't have to "justify" atheism

because it is where everyone starts

atheism is what you have before you LEARN about a god and or gods and or the goddess and or goddesses 

that's my point here

you don't have to "justify" atheism

because it is where everyone starts

Nope.

how do we know which laws are "moral" and which are "immoral" ?

How did you determine that anything he created was good? What standard are you using to make that assessment?

how do we know which laws are "moral" and which are "immoral" ?

Morality is a spectrum you can’t sum all laws into one.

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Exactly. You didn’t determine God was good, you just decided it by choosing to define goodness as that which is in accordance to him.

Just as I could choose to define goodness differently.

This is what we call subjective.