37 percent of Democrats say Biden is behaving like Hitler.
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liar
Poll is legit. Biden and the FBI are so toast this November.
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@Greyparrot
This is unlikely to be true
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Go look up the poll. It's legit.
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@Greyparrot
curious to know how many of those 37% know anything true about Hitler other than his name and the names of the wars he was alive during
and how many could describe fascism or even socialism
and how many think centrists are 'undecided fence-sitters'
and how many think Biden is left-wing
and how many think standing in front of a pick-up truck could actually work in halting it
and so on...........
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@fivesix
Honestly my guess is maybe 15% of all Americans probably know what the gestapo was.
But people tend to agree to stuff they don't know because it's a free pass to appear smart.
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@Greyparrot
yes, sir, indeed...
I feel for them...
I really do...
OK - I'm done.
:)
No different than comparing Trump to Hitler, The question is, who did or does things like Hitler did more. IE instituted govt policies that lead to genocide.
We can clearly tell Biden is not acting like Hitler in the basis that GP, and a significant proportion of the Trump supporting base have not started supporting him.
37% of democrats apparently don’t understand what the Gestapo was - and the 76% of republicans are annoyed not because they have any ideological opposition to the existence of the gestapo, but that they are not in control of it.
37% of democrats apparently don’t understand what the Gestapo was - and the 76% of republicans are annoyed not because they have any ideological opposition to the existence of the gestapo, but that they are not in control of it.
Ramshutu having his "Sam Harris" moment.
Ramshutu having his "Sam Harris" moment.
Nah, Biden clearly isn’t doing any of those things; nor even close to any of those things.
You know it, I know it; but you’re lying and implying he does to spin your own tires.
People like you, and the people you listen to are merely saying that he does - because your entire political voice is governed by being angry at something, and if there’s nothing to actually be angry about - it must be invented. Like you’re doing here.
I’m really just pointing out that you, together with a large portion of Trumps base, seem to have no actual issue with fascism, using the police as the tool of oppression, using the tools of the state to oppress political opponents, limit free elections, and to the widespread dissemination of misinformation, lies in order to maintain conformance; and engaging in your own beer hall Putsch and support of stochastic Terrorism.
I mean it’s pretty obvious, given that Trump initially ran on using the government to arrest, prosecute and imprison a personal political opponent - that you don’t really give a flying fuck about the ethics of it.
Like so much of right wing propoganda and misinformation - it’s just an attempt to lie loud enough and hard enough to make people on the left think it’s true; because generally speaking, we do actually care.
"It's facism, the Gestapo exists, but it's necessary"-Sam Harrishutu.
If you’re going to completely lie about everything someone says - it’s probably best not to do so when what they’ve said is right there.
The sheer ridiculousness of the claim that the FBI is being misused here, is beyond cretinous.
No one actually believes it - not even you.
So by all means - keep talking to yourself in this thread pretending that this ridiculous lie is not a ridiculous lie.
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@sadolite
IE instituted govt policies that lead to genocide.
You mean the lockdowns that cause a huge spike in non-covid related deaths as reported by insurance companies?
Wait till you see the death actuaries due to the upcoming mega recession.
Gotta wonder how many of those 37 percenters are gonna help vote DeSantis in.
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@Greyparrot
Biden and the FBI are so toast this November.
Thats a differrent issue from your ' spinning your tires '.
This is the reason you get no traction, is because you have no tires only the rims spinning false narrative tales to feed your Trumpet based cultist mind. Orange-Grey-Parrot, parroting Trumpets false narrative for self pleasuring.
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@ebuc
All narratives are false including yours. They are all based on opinion and bias. Tell us one of your "true narratives."
the FBI are so toast this November.
MAGA crazies: The FBI are Biden’s Gestapo, they need to be defunded, it’s politically corrupt and can’t be trusted. How dare they prosecute criminals that I like.
*Hunter Biden is indicted*
MAGA crazies: EvErYbOdY ChAnGe PlAcEs!
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@Ramshutu
the FBI are so toast this November.MAGA crazies: The FBI are Biden’s Gestapo, they need to be defunded, it’s politically corrupt and can’t be trusted. How dare they prosecute criminals that I like.*Hunter Biden is indicted*MAGA crazies: EvErYbOdY ChAnGe PlAcEs!
I agree with this prediction.
A lot like the ACAB->"poor capitol police"/FBI is super trustworthy->back to abolishing the police
Nobody hates power, they hate power in the hands of their enemy. The only way civil war is avoided is if we slowly restore the perception that the justice system is not the enemy of any political group.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Which specific “all cops are bastards” people have you seen that also proclaimed “poor capitol police”?
For that matter, can you name or cite any individual that that’s said the FBI is super trustworthy that has now gone back to demanding that the police be abolished?
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@Ramshutu
Mmmm, differentiation between individuals. What a concept!
Alright, which "MAGA
crazies" are you talking about?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
It’s kind hard to specify individuals that have responded to something that hasn’t happened yet.
However, I can for example, point to Trump specifically reaction to two individual Michael’s. Sussman, and Flynn.
Sussman - who apparently lied to the FBI and was acquitted definitely did it, and wasn’t entrapped, and the acquittal was a travesty. Flynn - who lied to the FBI, plead guilty, was a politicial hit job.
I recall various individuals here echoing similar points - including GP, but it’s a bit tricky to search prior comments for specific quotes x
Is that satisfactory?
On the other hand - you have a handful of pretty extreme - all cops are bad in everything they do - on the far left, I don’t know who they are. I haven’t heard their specific commentary on the FBI.
You have a bunch of people who want local police systems defunded; but who mostly acknowledge that not everything the police do is invariably bad. I haven’t heard their thoughts on the FBI either; perhaps they think the FBI did the right thing in this case - but also need to be defunded - I don’t know, I haven’t heard.
Then you have a bunch of people in the middle, who were never for defunding the police, who I have heard many comments about the FBI - that they have issues but aren’t hugely biased either way, and mostly do their job. But that’s not too hypocritical.
Theres a propensity on the right - given the vast diversity of general beliefs of the left - to Hoover up everything everyone says on the left, and attribute it to some centralized collective policy consciousness. It’s often not the case, and is mostly projection as the broad voice you hear on the right tends to be more heterogenous than the left.
FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge Timothy Thibault got escorted out of the FBI building. Guess we might not have to wait till November actually.
I suspect 37 percent of Democats had some influence there.
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@Ramshutu
However, I can for example, point to Trump specifically reaction to two individual Michael’s. Sussman, and Flynn.
That doesn't really fit the bill. People of course are going to have disparate reactions to disparate cases. We're talking about reversing full generalizations.
For instance BLM didn't see the Floyd video (where he wasn't murdered), and go "this specific cop is a problem" they went "ACAB", systemic problem; abolish the whole thing.
The problem with reckless emotional generalizations if of course that you're probably wrong. People reacted as if they were talking about all police everywhere, which most weren't. Most were just talking about police in their deep blue urban hellscapes shaped by sixty years of democrat policy. People in a polity of course have a right to abolish any part of their government and start again if they feel it has become so corrupt or dangerous that it cannot be reformed. At least that is the theory of the USA.
Now the MAGA crowd is saying "Abolish the DOJ" in much the same manner. They, like BLM, aren't claiming that there is no need for justice; they're saying somebody else will need to do it because there is no saving these institutions.
They did not have the opposite opinion in any recent time. In fact they have mistrusted the FBI for as long as there has been a MAGA movement. It's just getting worse.
On the other hand - you have a handful of pretty extreme - all cops are bad in everything they do - on the far left, I don’t know who they are. I haven’t heard their specific commentary on the FBI.
I bet if I paid more attention to defiant Ls I would have seen something along those lines, but alas I'm alergic to signing up to twitter so...
It’s often not the case, and is mostly projection as the broad voice you hear on the right tends to be more heterogenous than the left.
That got a giggle out of me. Hope it was intentional, so you say that people in one tribe mistakenly assume the opposing tribe is monolithic.... because you assume they're monolithic... and then you used "heterogeneous" when you clearly meant "homogeneous"
That got a giggle out of me. Hope it was intentional, so you say that people in one tribe mistakenly assume the opposing tribe is monolithic.... because you assume they're monolithic... and then you used "heterogeneous" when you clearly meant "homogeneous"
The whole point of this OP has nothing to do with orangemangood or orangemanbad. I honestly don't care what the right thinks about the FBI.
This poll shows that the Democrat party isn't united behind using the FBI to destroy any political opponent or using the FBI to influence democratic elections.
The recent firing of a corrupt Timothy Thibault seems to suggest that the era of strongarm FBI tactics are in a decline.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
That doesn't really fit the bill. People of course are going to have disparate reactions to disparate cases. We're talking about reversing full generalizations.
You were talking about generalizations that various parts of the Justice system are targeting a political group. I think only one side is really doing that - for sure democrats have complained about specific cases, and specific examples of actions - but the only generalization I can recall is about local law enforcement, and not about a political group, but heavy handed treatment of a given racial group: a generalization that is not necessarily unreasonable.
For instance BLM didn't see the Floyd video (where he wasn't murdered), and go "this specific cop is a problem" they went "ACAB", systemic problem; abolish the whole thing.
Some - for sure. Many, if we’re being honest, believe that problem is not that most cops aren’t good but there there more bad cops than there should be, and the police organizations and the set up of the police produce, support and encourage those bad cops, as well as setting up a confrontational style that leads to even good cops producing bad outcomes.
The point I’m making, is that I’m not sure whether, as you seem to imply, that those people are also now saying that the FBI are fine, don’t need to be broken up, and that they’re upstanding, and should be trust.
Or - as I alluded to - the people who are currently saying the FBI are largely okay today - are not the people who were chanting to defund the police.
That got a giggle out of me. Hope it was intentional, so you say that people in one tribe mistakenly assume the opposing tribe is monolithic.... because you assume they're monolithic... and then you used "heterogeneous" when you clearly meant "homogeneous"
Lol yeah! I missed that, I looked at it and checked it too. Yeah - I meant homogeneous.
I don’t think republicans are monolithic - but they are far more homogenous than the democrats. With Maga republicans even more so. On the maga side, in most cases that grouping is typically in pretty keen lockstep in a way democrats could only dream of. There is an complete multi-way bun fight if you suggest what Colour tie to wear between progressives, centrists, and activists.
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@Ramshutu
I don’t think republicans are monolithic - but they are far more homogenous than the democrats. With Maga republicans even more so. On the maga side, in most cases that grouping is typically in pretty keen lockstep in a way democrats could only dream of. There is an complete multi-way bun fight if you suggest what Colour tie to wear between progressives, centrists, and activists.
The fact that you have a separate name for "MAGA republicans" puts trial to the claim of homogeneity.
The fact of the matter is there are three major popular factions in the republican party and four bases of power.
The factions are: MAGA, traditionalist/religious, and liberal.
I'm a liberal, that's what I dream of, that's my moral compass. These people aren't held together by a shared moral vision, although there is some broad agreement that people should be left to their own devices via localism.
They are held together by a shared perception of reality. They are united by the institutions they don't trust any more. They are held together by an enemy they feel but cannot see.
The forth base of power are the oligarchs, they rise to the top and they are in the democratic party to an even greater degree. They have no moral vision besides power, they want to manipulate the popular perceptions of reality. As far as the right-tribe can tell what they want is war! war! war!
The right-tribe calls them the "deep state", it used to be called "the military industrial complex", and the republican party used to be its primary home when it started two wars in Iraq and passed the patriot act. Back then most of the liberals were democrats. ACLU, Tim Pool types, Dave Rubin types. They questioned narratives about necessary war. They questioned secret courts. They questioned the integrity of intelligence agencies spying on everybody.
Not any more, the deep state forgot the working class; left em to rot, Trump did what they did not believe possible and overnight they lost all control of the republican party. Six years later democrats cheer wars, cheer secret courts, cheer opaque unaccountable federal 'cops'.
This shift was accomplished by changing the narrative. The liberals who are left in the democratic party are the gullible, the ones who left are the informed. The left-tribe is united by their shared trust in institutions which have one by one been subverted by the racial collectivism of BLM and the sexual collectivism of the LGBTQ+++ cult. Those cults have significant overlap, notice how they have created a joint flag.
Antifa wants to watch the world burn, like all communists they think the world is naturally perfect and if they destroy the artificial impediments to its perfection things will improve.
The third popular faction on the left, as I said, are the gullible. It's hard to tell how many of them there are, but probably more than the other two combined. In either case the whole tribe believes what the oligarchs of the deep state want them to believe and that means everything else they believe doesn't really matter.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Amazing post sir.
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@fivesix
and how many could describe fascism or even socialism
Same thing. Statism. No difference.
and how many think centrists are 'undecided fence-sitters'
They really are people with no moral courage or idiots who are pragmatists and are not true to any over arching philosophy.
and how many think Biden is left-wing
He literally has dementia and this shit is like weekend at Bernie's but in the Whitehouse. I don't know if you could assign any ideology to a meat puppet
and how many think standing in front of a pick-up truck could actually work in halting it
It would at least slow it down.