There is no such thing as an Atheists.

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I certainly can, and it is simply in accepting The Ultimate Reality as meaning exactly what it means.

Nothing else necessary.

If you can't see this, you are wrong.

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Your god is as created or not created as any other god. 
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The Ultimate Reality is not a creation, oh foolish witch. The Ultimate Reality is The Uncreated Creator of All Creation.
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The Ultimate Reality is your god's lie to make you feel superior giving you a reason to treat others like crap. 
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There is no evidence of anything before there earliest event we can detect (or even at the biggining of this event) the event in question is the big bang. Any claim about what existed or happened before the big bang is therefore necessarily an argument from ignorance if indeed before is not a nonsensical idea regarding the big bang.
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It doesn't matter how the universe started, if it had a start, or anything at all.


If there was anything, The Ultimate Reality was right there. The Ultimate Reality always is. It did not have a start. If it wasn't eternal, it wouldn't be what it is. The Ultimate Reality.


Time is not a reality over The Ultimate Reality.

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My whole life has been dedicated to loving the kind of people you likely treat like crap. You don't know me.

But my life is irrelevant. The best thing anyone can do for their own life is love The Truth, and loving others comes quite naturally drom that.

Your graven image you call my God is not my God. My God is The Ultimate Reality. This isn't a pagan exaggeration but a matter of real identity.

You don't know my God, you war in vain. My God created you and sustains your life. When you die, my God will still be there. My God is your God, though you deny it.


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Any claim of something which did not have a start is an argument from ignorance since we have no observable examples of anything which did not have a start or beginning. It is also true that to say such a thing is impossible is a black swan fallacy but that still leaves a skeptic with no reason to believe in anything which did not begin.
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I doubt that since you hate all non Christians and why not. We are scum going to hell. Try pulling the other leg. It plays jingle bells. Bigot.
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I certainly don't hate non Christians. I don't even hate you. I tell you The Truth because I love you.
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*jerk off motions*

Go away oh foolish man who denies The Ultimate Reality. Your sophistry is meaningless.

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Lying pig. You get off telling people they are going to hell. Sick bigot
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*jerk off motions*
Gross. I have no response for this.
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@secularmerlin
The Ultimate Reality exists, and you are a fool if you deny this.


There is no argument against The Ultimate Reality.


I must become less, so The Ultimate Reality becomes more. It is not me you argue with, it is The Truth. No argument will stand. You waste your effort. You would be better off confessing.



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If you prefer lying vanities and vain idols before The Truth, you are choosing hell.

Have I ever told anyone they are going to hell? No, but detachment from God is certainly hell. To know The Truth is Eternal life.




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@Mopac
LOL. You think your god has any say over anyone who doesn't worship him. You are a joke and a sick person. Give a Christian long enough the show themselves. Now go jerk off to eternal torture. 
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Your very life was given to you by my God. God gives you air, water, food. Your very life is held by my God, though you know not.

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Do you even read what I write? It is not the idea of reality or that I am arguing against. I am not arguing that my perceptions are reality. My argument is this  you haven't demonstrated your claim that reality is a particular way over any other. Maybe it's eternal or maybe it's not but until one can be demonstrated I reject both propositions. The reasonable stance is I don't know what created the universe or even if it was created.
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Do you even read what I write? 
You don't really care to understand what I am saying, so I don't care qhat you have to say anymore.

You make it needlessly hard on yourself.


The Ultimate Reality exists.

Say it.

Otherwise what?

I don't care. I've wasted more time talking to you than anyone.


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Your god is not my creator. I have the DNA to prove it. 
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God created everything.

Both you and your DNA.
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I've wasted more time talking to you than anyone.

Then why do you keep talking past me instead of addressing my specific objections. I am not arguing that there is no reality. You are arguing for more than just the idea that some reality exists.
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Yet here you are, not taking the next step.


Say The Ultimate Reality exists.

I've talked to you plenty enough to know that nothing I say will help you understand what this means. The problem is with you. Now take the next step.


The Ultimate Reality exists.

And lets go a step further.

Nothing I or anything else anybody says is going to undermine this.
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Why do you care if others believe that or not?
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Because I love all of you. 

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Nope. Not a lick of Jewish DNA. Adam and Eve are not my ancestors. 
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@Mopac
Lies.
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Unless there us a difference between reality and the ultimate reality then I already have. If there is a difference you will have to explain the difference before we can proceed. If the difference is that ultimate reality necessarily has attributes that we cannot verify then reject this as an argument from ignorance.
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No, saying reality exists is not enough.

Say The Ultimate Reality exists.


Why can't you say these words?

That is a rhetorical question. If you can't say this directly, I'm not interested in pretending our conversation will go anywhere. You know what you have to do.
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Jewish DNA has nothing to do with The Ultimate Reality.
You are very superstitious, which I guess is to be expected from a polytheist witch.