There is no such thing as an Atheists.

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I am an Orthodox Christian. This is how we understand God.
Not deism.

How do you make the leap from "Ultimate Reality" to "Orthodox Christian"?

I mean, why would you not reason instead that, "Ultimate Reality" exists therefore, "Hare Krishna"?

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You use the ultimate reality as a synonym for god and since gods don't exist your ultimate reality doesn't exist

(IFF) god = ultimate reality (THEN) god = Spinoza's god.

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Wow! Ten pages of replies from atheists trying to prove that they DO exist. Does anyone else appreciate the irony?

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Wow! Ten pages of replies from atheists trying to prove that they DO exist. Does anyone else appreciate the irony?

If you don't believe in Zeus, then you are an atheist.

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@3RU7AL

Not true.

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@3RU7AL

Instead of the revelation here being that you don't understand my faith, you simply take the association as being ridiculous.

Orthodox Christianity understands God as being The Ultimate Reality. That is what we acknowledge as being The One True God.

And it certainly isn't just Orthodox Christians, but that is certainly how we understand God.

But understanding the faith has never gotten in the way of our persecuters before. The first step is usually making us into something deserving of mockery, not worthy of serious consideration.

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There is no "my ultimate reality", there is only what fhe ultimate reality actually is.

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@Mopac

Not according to you.

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Instead of the revelation here being that you don't understand my faith, you simply take the association as being ridiculous.

You're leaping to conclusions. I simply asked how the one thing leads to the other thing.

Orthodox Christianity understands God as being The Ultimate Reality. That is what we acknowledge as being The One True God.
And it certainly isn't just Orthodox Christians, but that is certainly how we understand God.

"And it certainly isn't just Orthodox Christians", OK so do you believe that all religions that believe god = ultimate reality are equally true?

But understanding the faith has never gotten in the way of our persecuters before. The first step is usually making us into something deserving of mockery, not worthy of serious consideration.

I'm simply asking you questions. Try not to freak out.

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Religions aren't true, God is true.

And it is God, not god. They mean different things.

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@Mopac

I can easily say that some reality exists without tying that reality to spirituality or religion. That means making the connection between the two concepts up to you as the claimant. Burden of proof my friend.

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The Ultimate Reality exists.

Can you even say it?

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@Mopac

Why bother if we mean different things when we say those words. I can say what you did and not agree with you. That is the road runner of the situation.

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Whatever The Ultimate Reality is, it is not what either of us think.

Are we really going to have to go through another 23 page back and forth of you playing stupid?

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@Mopac

Whatever The Ultimate Reality is, it is not what either of us think.

And yet you insist upon making claims about it. The definition of an argument from ignorance.

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@secularmerlin

You make a lot more claims for me than I actually make.

You can't even admit the ultimate reality exists.

That is very telling.

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@Mopac

You claim to know that a non physical transcendent eternal force that created at least one universe exists which is not a part of the universe do you not? Are you retracting that claim?

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@Mopac

People keep explaining to you that your god is your ultimate reality but not anyone else's. The whole world is not monotheist.

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I posted a thread once asking if there was such a thing as absolute truth. You can probably guess the replies I got for that one.

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@Grugore

How enlightening.

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Oops. I posted that on another forum too. I forgot I posted it here too. One of the hazards of getting older.

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Well, you are wrong, because you don't know what ultimate reality means.

The fact that you think there can be more than one shows this.

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I claim to know that The Ultimate Reality exists and it by nature precedes everything.

You can't admit this?

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@Mopac

You feel that way only because you are a monotheist.

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@Polytheist-Witch

You believing in delusion does not overthrow reality.

There is One Ultimate Reality, and you can not overthrow this any more than you can make 2 + 2 23.

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@Mopac

Nope.

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What you think I mean =/= The Ultimate Reality.

The Ultimate Reality is what it is.

What is the alternative to a reality that accounts for all of reality? The destruction of all reality. If there is no Ultimate Reality, what is ultimately real? There is nothing. Yet, clearly there is something.

You deny what you don't understand.

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There is something. All kinds of something. You think there is one something. There isn't one of anything in nature.

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I claim to know that The Ultimate Reality exists

Ok no problem so far.

it by nature precedes everything.

And here is the unsubstantiated (and quite frankly self contradictory) claim. You cannot know what preceded the the physical universe or indeed if anything did (and since reality by definition is everything you just said that reality precedes itself).

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Quantum no-cloning theorem says otherwise. No two states are truly the same.

But these are created things. God is not created. There are many realities, but One Ultimate Reality, and all realities are contingent on this Ultimate Reality. The Ultimate Reality alone is self contingent.