There is no such thing as an Atheists.

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I recommend the book "Messengers of Deception Ufo Contacts and Cults" by Jacques Vallee to get more insight into Stephen's fanaticism.

The neo-gnostic ufo cult revival thing is investigated in this book, and it is a very interesting read that really sheds a lot of light into how people's superstitions concerning UFOs and belief in aliens are taken advantage of.


It is a really good read.

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no you dont you believe the aliens flew away

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No. I don't care about Ancient Alien theory 
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I've never met a Christian who was capable of seriously entertaining the possibility that Zeus is the most powerful god and also, actually, really and truly exists.

It's like a native English speaker trying to convince a native Chinese speaker that the English language is vastly superior and by every logical measure the only language anyone should ever be taught around the world until the end of time.

And the native Chinese speaker makes the exact same argument in favor of the entire planet adopting the Chinese alphabet.

Your god is your language.

You decide it is best because you can't even imagine an alternative.

Often, simply because that is what you were taught as a child.
Splendid analogy.

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No. I don't care about Ancient Alien theory 

I didn't ask you about -"Ancient Alien theory" - , did I ?   But you believe in gods PLURAL, don't you ? Or have you changed your mind, now you have cornered yourself with your own silly BIG MOUTH!?

The gods PLURAL that you believe in. Tell us, where do they exist if not on Earth
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It's really not because the statement is not grounded in localized context, and may be argued to lend more to describe the individual stating how they view "christians". Even from an ignorant perspective, the attempted analogy could easily be suspected for a bad judgement call.  
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I felt it rang true in a broad sense.
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People like you often mock what they do not understand. Sucks to be you.
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People like you often mock what they do not understand. Sucks to be you
Hey you typed more here than you did in our debate. Sucks to be you.


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I don't think I'm equipped to properly address the idea as it stands in vague reference, but have no confidence in it standing up to theological scrutiny.  I suggest it would do you well not to lean on that notion too hard. Personally, I would not lean on it at all, though I wouldn't honestly deny the possibility for that kind of developement permeating society.  I wouldn't let it rule my judgement either. A Christian's faith, is ultimately in God. That is truthful, and not disrespectful of legitimate teachings of Jesus Christ.  It's not correct I believe, for us to hold judgement upon Christians expressing such truth.  It's not correct to generalize such judgement upon members of the church whose role in duty is unique among members of society.
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I'm asking if your justification of this particular event is capricious or based on some identifiable principle.

And I told you. Self defense. Please buy a clue.
Ok, thanks for clearing that up.

Do you believe that "self defense" is the only right and proper justification for war?
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Actually, Japan extended the war by refusing. They knew they were defeated, but they decided to fight onn. Which is why we had to nuke them. Any other course of action would have killed many more people.
If two people are pointing loaded pistols at each other and one guy says, "I'll put my gun down if you put your gun down and let me keep some of my stuff" and the other guy says "I'm never going to put my gun down, but if you put yours down I will probably shoot you less and might even actually stop shooting you but you can only keep the stuff that I decide"...

Which one is holding up the negotiations?

Regardless of your opinion on who could have ended the war or not, the point that got derailed was the deliberate act of firebombing civilians.

And I'm not altogether sure I agree with your blanket statement, "Any other course of action would have killed many more people".
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"Any other course of action would have killed many more people".
I think the calcuation was that it saved a lot of American lives.

I think Americans have been salving their conscience with the absurd notion that nuking was actually the 'humanitarian' option and they only did it to save lives ever since 1945.  It is a common failing that people never see themselves as the bad guys.   If 'they' do someting bad its because 'they' are evil - if 'we' do something wrong it gets minimised and explained away.


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Of course not.
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Actually, Japan extended the war by refusing. 
Thank you. Common sense.

It was Japan at fault, not the US.
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@ethang5
Of course not.
Do you have any other (besides self defense) perfectly justifiable reasons for going to war?

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@ethang5
Actually, Japan extended the war by refusing. 
Thank you. Common sense.

It was Japan at fault, not the US.

(IFF) Japan extended the war by refusing to surrender (THEN) by the same measure, the allies extended the war by refusing to surrender.
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Sure. To save another country. To make a region safer. To uphold the dignity of your country. To right a wrong. Etc.
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(IFF) Japan extended the war by refusing to surrender (THEN) by the same measure, the allies extended the war by refusing to surrender.
The allies were not asked to surrender, and as such, could not have refused. This is typical liberal illogic.
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@ethang5
The allies were not asked to surrender, and as such, could not have refused. This is typical liberal illogic.
Wait, do you think you must be invited to surrender before it is possible to surrender?

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@ethang5
Sure. To save another country. To make a region safer. To uphold the dignity of your country. To right a wrong. Etc.
Ok, I'd say to protect your sovereign territory and or international assets or the sovereign territory and or international assets of your sworn allies.

These justifications would not seem to apply to Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan.
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Roosevelt was not in a mood for compromise

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The allies were not asked to surrender, and as such, could not have refused. This is typical liberal illogic.

Wait, do you think you must be invited to surrender before it is possible to surrender?
No Einstein. But you must be invited to surrender before it is possible to refuse to surrender.

Duh.

These justifications would not seem to apply to Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan.
So what? Did you ask me for justifications for Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan, or just perfectly justifiable reasons for going to war?

Really, are you trying to be stupid?
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No Einstein. But you must be invited to surrender before it is possible to refuse to surrender.
More hairsplitting.  Engaging in war is a de-facto request for your opponent to surrender.

So what? Did you ask me for justifications for Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan, or just perfectly justifiable reasons for going to war?
Ok, so we are in agreement.

How utterly splendid.
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No Einstein. But you must be invited to surrender before it is possible to refuse to surrender.

More hairsplitting.  Engaging in war is a de-facto request for your opponent to surrender.
Unless I'm asked, I cannot refuse. Believing strongly in stupidity does not make it sensible.

So what? Did you ask me for justifications for Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan, or just perfectly justifiable reasons for going to war?

Ok, so we are in agreement.
Only in that you must be a weed smoker. Only MJ makes a person think this poorly.

How utterly splendid.
Most people are thrilled to think I agree with them. But alas, I never agree with morons.
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So what? Did you ask me for justifications for Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan, or just perfectly justifiable reasons for going to war?
Perfectly justifiable reasons for war apply to all wars.

There is absolutely no reason to be specific unless you believe your perfectly justifiable reasons for going to war only apply to specific wars.
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I answer the questions you ask homer. If you meant to get answers to other questions, you should have asked those.
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@Grugore
 Here's the way I see it. Atheists don't want God to exist the same way criminals don't want cops to exist. They know that God exists, but they suppress the truth. It's because they also know that they are sinners and deserve death. They know that Jesus gave His life so we could avoid death. But these people love their sin more than their Creator. Also, the Bible tells us that many witnessed the miracles of Christ and still rejected Him. So, it's not a matter of belief. It's a matter of obedience. There is no such thing as an atheist. Not my opinion. This is what Scripture tells us.

Erm, no.

Atheists don’t believe that there is a God. We feel the same way about your God as you do about Zeus, and for the same reasons.

This perspective, is often offered by the emotional imature and intellectually unaware, to attempt to rationalize why it is that so many people don’t believe the things you take for granted. We can’t be simply mistaken, because you’re so neck deep in truth you cannot comprehend the idea that someone would not see it. 

No: the reason is we don’t believe, and this sort of nonsense is more about your own sense of subconscious insecurity about your own faith than it is about any other persons opinion. 
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I don't think I'm equipped to properly address the idea as it stands in vague reference, but have no confidence in it standing up to theological scrutiny.  I suggest it would do you well not to lean on that notion too hard. Personally, I would not lean on it at all, though I wouldn't honestly deny the possibility for that kind of developement permeating society.  I wouldn't let it rule my judgement either. A Christian's faith, is ultimately in God. That is truthful, and not disrespectful of legitimate teachings of Jesus Christ.  It's not correct I believe, for us to hold judgement upon Christians expressing such truth.  It's not correct to generalize such judgement upon members of the church whose role in duty is unique among members of society.
I still don't really understand what your problem is with the analogy that people with different religions are like people who speak different languages. How does that undermine your faith, or your deity? If God does exist, and created humans, then subjectivity of experience and therefore diversity of belief was part of the plan, you know.
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@Grugore
Blocking me just because you don't like what I have to say is a bit cowardly. You cannot show me in the bible where Jesus commanded we not own slaves and I can show you in the bible where Yahweh commands that you buy them from the nation's around you. Even if it is only indentured servitude (and it certainly isn't worded that way) it is still a social ill that you can engage in without breaking Christ's supposed commands. Now do you want to take this back to the pm or have it out right here?