BOTH of the TEXAS GOP 2022 RESOLUTIONS are FAIRLY IRRATIONAL

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In late June,  Republicans in Texas published two resolutions emerging from their 2022 party convention. 

1. 2020 Election:

We believe that the 2020 election violated Article 1 and 2 of the US Constitution, that various secretaries of state illegally circumvented their state legislatures in conducting their elections in multiple ways, including by allowing ballots to be received after November 3, 2020.  We believe that substantial election fraud in key metropolitan areas significantly affected the results in five key states in favor of Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.   We reject the certified results of the 2020 Presidential election, and we hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States.

No evidence supports this claim. Most of Trump's closest advisors have now testified under oath that Trump deliberately manufactured  and propagandized this false claim entirely aware of the absence of evidence and entirely aware of the illegal, unconstitutional, unpatriotic and anti-American nature of manufacturing such a claim.  That Texas Republicans choose to promote the Big Lie in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary demonstrates that Texas Republicans remain supplicant  to Trump's will and are therefore disqualified from any position of political leadership.

2. Resolution against the Gang of 20 Gun Control bill:

Whereas those under 21 are most likely to be victims of violent crime and thus most likely to need to defend themselves.  Whereas “red flag laws” violate one’s right to due process and are a pre-crime punishment of people not adjudicated guilty.   Whereas waiting periods on gun purchases harm those who need to acquire the means of self defense in emergencies such as riots.  Whereas all gun control is a violation of the Second Amendment and our God given rights.  We reject the so called “bipartisan gun agreement”, and we rebuke Senators John Cornyn (R-Texas), Thom Tillis (R-N.C.), Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), Bill Cassidy (R-La.), Susan Collins (R-Maine), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Rob Portman (R-Ohio), Mitt Romney (R-Utah) and Pat Toomey (R-Pa.).

According to the GOP, Jesus wants us to make sure we are putting machine guns in the hands of those under 21 years of age, especially in the middle of a riot.

Both of these strike me as signaling loyalty to powers entirely unaffiliated with the truth, common sense, or American prosperity.




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George Washington seems more right each day we go. Look at both messes.
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Proud to be a Texan 
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I can not believe you would idolize a slave owner like that
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Well, he advocated against separating political parties, if you don't get it. I am not saying he is right for...holding slaves.
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We're all slaves to something Doc.

The rich and powerful are slaves to the achievement of wealth and power.

Fantasy GOD worshippers are slaves to fantasy GOD concepts.

And I am a slave to to my inherent survival instinct....Like everyone else.

And old colonial style slavery was once appropriately systematic.

And things might have changed a bit relative to ongoing data modifications.


Contentment helps, but death is the only real salvation from the slavery of existence.

Crazy but true.


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true zed. Looks like most people today are slaves of sin
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Early America was also quite politically divisive. Hamilton and Jefferson weren't the best of buds.

All republics are like this though. And most of the fathers were very skeptical and pessimistic about the future of the country
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A lot of people are certainly slaves to the concept of sin.


We think we make life easier and simultaneously make life harder.

If we cut out all the nonsense, I'm sure we could just make life easier.


But that's just not how we do things is it Doc?
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Life is easier without the temptations of the flesh, right zed
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It certainly would be Doc.

27 days later

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"According to the GOP, Jesus wants us to make sure we are putting machine guns in the hands of those under 21 years of age, especially in the middle of a riot."
"A machine gun is a fully automatic, rifled autoloading firearm designed for sustained direct fire with rifle cartridges. Other automatic firearms such as automatic rifles are typically designed more for firing short bursts rather than continuous firepower, and are not considered true machine guns. As a class of military kinetic projectile weapon, machine guns are designed to be mainly used as infantry support weapons and generally used when attached to a bipod or tripod, a fixed mount or a heavy weapons platform for stability against recoils." Wikipedia

Uh, "machine guns" are illegal for anyone to possess; they are strictly law enforcement and military purposed weapons not for civilian possession or use. So no, neither Jesus or the GOP want to "make sure we are putting machine guns in the hands of those under 21 years of age."

"No evidence supports this claim." (RE: Election of 2020)
Sure there is, and various courts have ruled on as much.



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  • The Texas GOP did not exclude machine guns from their statement:
    • Whereas all gun control is a violation of the Second Amendment and our God given rights
  • Are Federal restrictions on machine guns an infringement on the Constitutional right to bear arms?
  • No evidence supports Trump's claim. (RE: Election of 2020)
    • We now have testimony under oath from reliable Conservatives swearing that Giuliani was admitting internally that it was all bullshit ( ‘We’ve got lots of theories, we just don’t have the evidence,’”) just weeks after the election. 

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FYI-

I'd be happy to re-issue this debate if you're interested:

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  • The Texas GOP did not exclude machine guns from their statement:
    • Whereas all gun control is a violation of the Second Amendment and our God given rights

Oh FFS, you are reading way too much into this. There are OTHER statutes on the books that address tried and true weapons of war that are not allowed to be owned by civilians and used for military/law enforcement purposes only. When the GOP speaks of gun control it is strictly about the obvious weapons on the market: pistols, shotguns and rifles. Not "machine guns."


  • Are Federal restrictions on machine guns an infringement on the Constitutional right to bear arms?
No.


No it doesn't. Fix your firewall or turn off your VPN. I can see the entirety of the article just fine, and I have no membership. 


  • Last Minute Election Rule Changes Raise Big Questions - The American Conservative
    • No specific complaints here.
    • Since you trust Robert W. Merry as source here, be sure to trust him when he says two weeks later:
      • It’s time for conservatives to dump Trump. He’s a loser and a disgraceful one at that.
    • And on Jan 8th
      •  Trump fanned the flames and incited the ghastly attack, and for that he will be forever tarred with history’s brush of opprobrium. His presidential identity will begin and end with this travesty
Your incessant [ass]umptions that people "trust" a source is asinine and abhorrently ridiculous. 
Nowhere did I say "I trust everything Robert W. Merry says," it's just linked citation. Moreover, it is an implicit genetic fallacy for you to bitch about the source without addressing the contextual content of said source. 

Trump said protest peacefully.  Also, Jan 8th is 2 days after the so-called faux insurrection. 



*yawn* on that last point. 




  • No evidence supports Trump's claim. (RE: Election of 2020)
    • We now have testimony under oath from reliable Conservatives swearing that Giuliani was admitting internally that it was all bullshit ( ‘We’ve got lots of theories, we just don’t have the evidence,’”) just weeks after the election. 
"...just weeks after the election."

Uh, it is 2022 and there has been plenty evidence released over time that has substantiated or given an air of legitimacy to Trump's claim