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@Polytheist-Witch
Then you are pro-child dismemberment which is a sad worldview to have. How can you justify killing unborn human beings in the womb at any time and for any reason? Your position sickens my heart.
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@ebuc
Let's talk morality shall we.
You imply anyone denying a woman the right to kill her unborn at any time for any reason is immoral and wrong because its her body, her choice, her decision.
Do you also believe that other laws that keep people from using their bodies the way they want to use them should be done away with because it should be up to the person? Examples: Any kind of incest? Using any drug of ones choice and selling drugs to people who might want to take them? Any kind of sex act with any person of any age who wants to partake? Doing away with seatbelt laws, helmet laws? Assisted suicide? Suicide? Selling a body part? Nudity anywhere? Prostitution? No alcohol laws. Abortion for any reason..even for sex selection, gender issues?
The fact is the government tells us what we can do with our bodies and abortion is no different because many issues deal with morality and providing a safe moral society to live in. Trouble today...there is no line of morality anymore...everything goes. How livable is a society that allows someone to just do anything they want to do?
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@Athias
So you hate abortion....why? Whats wrong with it?
If it is wrong why do you tolerate something you think is immoral? Would you do this with child-trafficking? Child or spousal abuse? Underage drinking?
What would you stand up against if not abortion?
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@imdancin
So you hate abortion....why?
Because it goes against my partiality to the family concept.
If it is wrong why do you tolerate something you think is immoral?
Never said it was wrong or immoral.
Would you do this with child-trafficking?
No. But unfortunately its occurrence is not subject to my tolerance.
Child or spousal abuse?
No. But unfortunately its occurrence is not subject to my tolerance.
Underage drinking?
I personally oppose all drinking, but what one consumes is subject to one's discretion.
What would you stand up against if not abortion?
Taxes
Welfare
Central Banks
Governments
United Nations
Council of Foreign Affairs
Luciferianism
Socialism
Crony Corporatism
Fiat Money
Prison Industrial Complex
Military Industrial Complex
American Medical Association
Human-Trafficking
Rape
Liberal Media
Hollywood
Disney
Globalization
Public Education
Feminsim/MGTOW
Unions
Government designations of so-called, "race."
Reality Television
Pornography
Alcoholism
Pork
"Sugar-free" Anything
Fluoride Toothpaste
Project MK Ultra... and many more...
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@Athias
What is your family concept?
Taxes
Welfare
Central Banks
Governments
United Nations
Council of Foreign Affairs
Luciferianism
Socialism
Crony Corporatism
Fiat Money
Prison Industrial Complex
Military Industrial Complex
American Medical Association
Human-Trafficking
Rape
Liberal Media
Hollywood
Disney
Globalization
Public Education
Feminsim/MGTOW
Unions
Government designations of so-called, "race."
Reality Television
Pornography
Alcoholism
Pork
"Sugar-free" Anything
Fluoride Toothpaste
Project MK Ultra... and many more...
You indicated abortion might not be immoral. But your list is all over the place. Let's get down to brass tacks. I won't even address some of the things on that list. They are not in the same category as abortion.
What is abortion? It is the premeditated killing of a living human being. And today Democrats want all abortions legal...even full term up until the natural delivery of the baby. They don't even want babies saved should they survive a botched abortion. They don't even want pain meds administered to the unborn before they are ripped from their mothers wombs. To do so would be admitting that the unborn is a person. They can't do that.
The fact that you can't admit that this is absolutely barbaric is unbelievable. I can't wrap my head around your kind of logic. You stand up for toothpaste but sit and do nothing while the slaughter continues.
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@imdancin
You imply anyone denying a woman the right to kill her unborn at any time for any reason is immoral and wrong because its her body, her choice, her decision.
Thats correct i.e. you have nor moral authority to be sticking your nose in the pregnant womens bodily business.
...The fact is the government tells us what we can do with our bodies and abortion is no different...
Yes it is as all of long list is irrelevant to a pregnant womans right to privacy about an orgnaism of her body. Even the man who inseminated her. has not any rights to her organism, because, he gave here his semen.
If he sold her his semen, and has a contract to have the baby birthed, that is whole other can of worms.
....because many issues deal with morality and providing a safe moral society to live in......
And all of them are differrent issues in their own right of consideration of circumstances.
Trouble today...there is no line of morality anymore...everything goes. How livable is a society that allows someone to just do anything they want to do?
every one has their personal set of morality that often changes over time. Your morality thinks it is ok of you to stick your nose into a pregnant womans bodily business, regarding an organsim of here body. Your your type are repulsive and immoral at best and at worst..........
PLease stick you nose where and belongs and keep it out of pregnants womens bodies. thank you.
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@ebuc
‘Thats correct i.e. you have nor moral authority to be sticking your nose in the pregnant womens bodily business.’
So you tell me I have no right…while you do the same to me. Based on what you said…you could not believe in any moral policing agency.
Do you have the right to defend a child whose parent is abusing them?
Did the North have any right to go to war with the South to help free the slaves?
Why did anyone have the right to hunt Osama Bin Laden down and seek revenge?
And Charles Manson really did not kill anyone ..he should never have been prisoned for it.
“Yes it is as all of long list is irrelevant to a pregnant womans right to privacy about an orgnaism of her body. Even the man who inseminated her. has not any rights to her organism, because, he gave here his semen.”
It is something in her body but not apart of it. Unfortunately the father has no rights, not even if she wants the child and seeks for child support. If she owns the child like you say…he should not be held liable for anything. Right?
“every one has their personal set of morality that often changes over time. Your morality thinks it is ok of you to stick your nose into a pregnant womans bodily business, regarding an organsim of here body. Your your type are repulsive and immoral at best and at worst……….”
So abortion is wrong one day and ok the next? Substitute rape or pediphelia or spousal abuse for abortion…and you would agree they all should be legal to make everyone happy? And based on your worldview…no one should stop anyone from doing what they want. Right and wrong are in the eye of the beholder.
So you tell me I have no right…while you do the same to me. Based on what you said…you could not believe in any moral policing agency.
Do you have the right to defend a child whose parent is abusing them?
Did the North have any right to go to war with the South to help free the slaves?
Why did anyone have the right to hunt Osama Bin Laden down and seek revenge?
And Charles Manson really did not kill anyone ..he should never have been prisoned for it.
“Yes it is as all of long list is irrelevant to a pregnant womans right to privacy about an orgnaism of her body. Even the man who inseminated her. has not any rights to her organism, because, he gave here his semen.”
It is something in her body but not apart of it. Unfortunately the father has no rights, not even if she wants the child and seeks for child support. If she owns the child like you say…he should not be held liable for anything. Right?
“every one has their personal set of morality that often changes over time. Your morality thinks it is ok of you to stick your nose into a pregnant womans bodily business, regarding an organsim of here body. Your your type are repulsive and immoral at best and at worst……….”
So abortion is wrong one day and ok the next? Substitute rape or pediphelia or spousal abuse for abortion…and you would agree they all should be legal to make everyone happy? And based on your worldview…no one should stop anyone from doing what they want. Right and wrong are in the eye of the beholder.
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@imdancin
A zygote is a human being just as my fingernail is a human being. Clip clip clip.
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@imdancin
Are you another selective moralist?
Or are you a hermit that lives in a remote cave,
Who only absorbs water and nutrients from stalactites.
Death sustains life.......It's the inevitability of survival.
And only caring about human life, is human bias.
And only caring about certain foetuses and certain people is hypocritical.
And don't quote the Bible
Because the Bible is awash with moral contradictions.
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@imdancin
Ebuc ....."‘Thats correct i.e. you have nor moral authority to be sticking your nose in the pregnant womens bodily business.’"
So you tell me I have no right…while you do the same to me.
False. You are not a pregnant woman and I am not sticking my nose into you bodily business regarding and oganism of you body. YOur confused at best and at worst......concepts that stem from dark ages and further regarding control of women by men. Sick.
Based on what you said…you could not believe in any moral policing agency.
YOur still very confused person. Sad :--(
It is something in her body but not apart of it.
For a brief period of time the egg, fertilized or not, travels in fallopian tubes. For you to insist that fertilized egg is not an organism of the pregnant woman is more false narrative on your part and all of the sic-n-the-heads out their whose ego can not acccept the truth, regarding the rights of pregnant womans bodily business, unless she give her consent for others put their noses into her bodily business.
You have nothing of any validity to offer on this topic. Please keep stop your virtual rape of pregnant by keeping friggin nose out of pregnant w.omans bodily affairs. Please and than you
I think the real fear is a state in the union that is a conservative version of California that would show contrast and outcome of conservative vs liberal leftist govt policies.
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@sadolite
Slavery’s profitable too wasn’t/isn’t it?
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@Reece101
Not worth a response
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@sadolite
Well what’s the contrast you’re looking for?
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@Reece101
So its your honest and willful belief that a conservative state would employ slavery as one of its tenants? You got some pretty sad fucked up indoctrinated ideas about conservatism.
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@sadolite
So its your honest and willful belief that a conservative state would employ slavery as one of its tenants?
The virtual rapist is just another attempt to control women, and in this case, pregnant women specifically ergo, a form of slavery indeed. Sick.
Whats sad is virtual rapists sticking their nose into a pregnant woman's bodily business without her consent. Sick.
Various reasons why we have these virtual rapists:
1} religious fanaticism stemming from biblical partriachal society, ---men controlling women---,
2} intellectual short comings and their ego needs a band wagon to jump onto, ---some poor folk---,
3} intellectual boredom creates an interesting challenge irrespective of truth, ---too much money and too much time on their hands---,
...3a} is ignorant or chooses to ignore, the global truths facing humanity, and this is lazy way out of complex issues, that, go to the heart of complexities that stem from pregnant women, birth control and overpopluation of humans on Earth ---for the operatings systems currently in place---.
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@imdancin
And you making stuff up the people never said sickens my heart but who gives a crap we don't even know each other.
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@zedvictor4
"don't quote the Bible
Because the Bible is awash with moral contradictions."
I'm not sure that's really a reason to not quote something,
I mean Star Wars has moral contradictions, doesn't mean I'm not going to quote it,
People in history have moral contradictions, they make witty statements at times.
One uses a quote because in the context of a conversation, the words fit,
In evoking emotion or logic.
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@sadolite
So its your honest and willful belief that a conservative state would employ slavery as one of its tenants? You got some pretty sad fucked up indoctrinated ideas about conservatism.
Indentured servitude is okay in Christianity right?
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@Reece101
So you condone all abortions? Even on full term unborn babies or as you call them zygotes?
State your full position.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Give me an example where I attributed something to someone who actually didn't say it.
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@ebuc
“False. You are not a pregnant woman and I am not sticking my nose into you bodily business regarding and oganism of you body. YOur confused at best and at worst......concepts that stem from dark ages and further regarding control of women by men. Sick.”
What does my not being pregnant have to do with anything?
You have your opinion and I have mine, right?
Dark ages?
“YOur still very confused person. Sad :—(“
Not confused at all. You just won’t even entertain addressing the points I make.
“For a brief period of time the egg, fertilized or not, travels in fallopian tubes. For you to insist that fertilized egg is not an organism of the pregnant woman is more false narrative on your part and all of the sic-n-the-heads out their whose ego can not acccept the truth, regarding the rights of pregnant womans bodily business, unless she give her consent for others put their noses into her bodily business.
You have nothing of any validity to offer on this topic. Please keep stop your virtual rape of pregnant by keeping friggin nose out of pregnant w.omans bodily affairs. Please and than you”
I will say it again…the egg, the sperm is not apart of the woman’s body. After fertilization however it is biologically an individual, different and unique to another individual in the entire world. The mother and child are TWO separate people. The sex, the blood type can be totally different than that of the mothers. The unborn does not share a circulatory system or blood with the mother. They do not share major organs either. Every born person is dependent in some way on others, but they’re still individuals. The same in the womb. The unborn is dependent on its mother…but it is still a separate person from her. The unborn self-develops with help from its mother….the same as if it was born.
Does X being inside Y make X a part of Y?
For you to tell me I have no right to an opinion on this (most based on fact) is narrow-minded. What it means is that you can’t debate issues. You do not know my history and I have one. I have a right to free speech as you do. I suggest you educate yourself on this topic. Your sentences do not even make sense. “Please and than you”?????
What does my not being pregnant have to do with anything?
You have your opinion and I have mine, right?
Dark ages?
“YOur still very confused person. Sad :—(“
Not confused at all. You just won’t even entertain addressing the points I make.
“For a brief period of time the egg, fertilized or not, travels in fallopian tubes. For you to insist that fertilized egg is not an organism of the pregnant woman is more false narrative on your part and all of the sic-n-the-heads out their whose ego can not acccept the truth, regarding the rights of pregnant womans bodily business, unless she give her consent for others put their noses into her bodily business.
You have nothing of any validity to offer on this topic. Please keep stop your virtual rape of pregnant by keeping friggin nose out of pregnant w.omans bodily affairs. Please and than you”
I will say it again…the egg, the sperm is not apart of the woman’s body. After fertilization however it is biologically an individual, different and unique to another individual in the entire world. The mother and child are TWO separate people. The sex, the blood type can be totally different than that of the mothers. The unborn does not share a circulatory system or blood with the mother. They do not share major organs either. Every born person is dependent in some way on others, but they’re still individuals. The same in the womb. The unborn is dependent on its mother…but it is still a separate person from her. The unborn self-develops with help from its mother….the same as if it was born.
Does X being inside Y make X a part of Y?
For you to tell me I have no right to an opinion on this (most based on fact) is narrow-minded. What it means is that you can’t debate issues. You do not know my history and I have one. I have a right to free speech as you do. I suggest you educate yourself on this topic. Your sentences do not even make sense. “Please and than you”?????
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@ebuc
Your attempts at comparing slavery to the Supreme court sending roe v wade back to the states to decide is just another example of willful intellectual dishonesty. There is nothing else to say, you are willfully intellectually dishonest.
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@imdancin
I will say it again…the egg,....
Say it all you want, its non-sense. Your a support and encourage virtual rape of pregnant women. Sick.
The fertilized egg means spermazoa has entered the egg and its head cracks open to release it RNA-DNA to combine with the eggs RNA-DNA, and the fertilized egg is organism of the women.
The mother and child are TWO separate people.
The egg is created by woman, ergo organism of the woman and also when it is fertilized { conception } Then for brief time, the egg travels inside the woman--- to uterus too, implant on the wall as more direct organsims of the pregnat woman. You dont grasp this and are in denial of truth in these regards. Sick.
Your ego is attached to religous fundamentlist -type format that stems from biblical patriarch, that, encourages male dominance/control over women and specifically pregnant women. Sick.
These points Ive laid out clearly are the only relevant points regarding pregnant woman and her rights to keep people like from committing virtual rape. You and your type to be sent to some re-education classes regarding ethics of morality, in a civilized society.
We dont need all of your side-tracking attempts to derail from these simple truths above and as expressed to you and others.
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@sadolite
Your attempts at comparing slavery to the Supreme court sending roe v wade back to the states to decide is just another example of willful intellectual dishonesty. There is nothing else to say, you are willfully intellectually dishonest.
Any court rulings--or congressional laws--- that, do not protect the rights of body autonomy of a pregnant woman is virtual rape and stems from religious fanaticism of biblical patriarchy that wants to dominate/control --ergo slavery to what ever degree-- women and specifically pregnant women.
Sadolite, that you cannot see how sick this is, only affirms you lack of empathy for the hard choices a pregnant woman may have to make.
I personally think your type are sick in the head and need to go to some re-education classes on ethics of morality in a civilized society.
The current "debate" over abortion in the United States is almost entirely nonsensical.
As the "leaked" draft opinion correctly indicates, abortion is not a historical norm of any kind in this country. Nor is it a constitutional right. That entire line of jurisprudence which found otherwise has instantiated this political disaster, inflaming the public on solely grounds without reprieve.
Roe was legislation from the bench, by definition. Perhaps that set of policies has some merit, as Cass Sunstein suspected after the opinion initially issued so many years ago. From at least one perspective, I am sympathetic to it. For example, while constitutionally unavailing, Roe served as a check against state power in defense of privacy and liberty. Limiting the state's power is something I will always support.
But again, this is policy. And as policy, Roe is for the legislatures of the several states --- and not the federal judiciary. It is not, contrary to the vapid speculation from the Biden administration, a matter for the federal legislature, either. Not under the commerce clause or otherwise (the commerce clause being yet another means by which the federal government's imperialism has undermined our Republican governmental structure).
For all their sound and fury, I have yet to hear any voice objecting to merit of the argument. Rather, their "arguments" (and I use that term loosely) focus exclusively on some misguided notion that "abortion" will become "illegal."
Abortion will not become "illegal." Rather, the terms under which it may be legally permissible will be decided by the states, in much the same way that gun rights, certain criminal matters (like consumption of marijuana) and other health care rights are already regulated.
Those who inflict their outrage would do well to understand what they purport to have such strong opinions on, before inflicting their views on others.
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@Lemming
I was asking them not to quote the bible as some sort of authority on morality.
Because the writings in said book contrived by people, is as morally hypocritical as people themselves.
For sure, quote it for the purposes of historical reference.
Nonetheless, mythology shouldn't be regarded as sound factual evidence.
Nor should archaic ideology be regarded as a blueprint for how we live our lives today.
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@zedvictor4
Well, it's not 'quite one book in a way, as 'many books compiled,
Many authors, time periods, different purposes for different parts, different contexts,
If one 'only looked at the Bible as an atheist, viewed it 'purely as myth and historical, I think some pieces of it would 'still match real life locations and other historical records.
And as for blueprints, well, I think there's a lot in the Bible, that 'could add beneficially, to how an individual lives their life today.
What 'was the Bible quote anyway?
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@imdancin
So you condone all abortions? Even on full term unborn babies or as you call them zygotes?State your full position.
Yes, I like aborting the unborn for the hell of it. You got me.
So you would like to subjugate all women/girls to carry through pregnancies regardless of circumstances?
State your full position.