Info on the martyrdom of the apostles as historical fact
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Historical fact of the martyrdom of apostles as proof of Christianity
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Lots of people are willing to kill and die for their gods.
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@n8nrgmi
Human stupidity is what it is.
Christianity as a contrived religious ideology does not require proof.
And some stupid people will inevitably take their ideological devotion to the ultimate extreme.
None of which provides actual proof of an existent godhead.
Just informs us of some of the whacky stuff humans get up to.
Realism not scepticism.
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@n8nrgmi
Not a single word in this thesis produced by Licona proves a dead and stinking three day old corpse came back to life.
"Eye witness".
To what? That they seen a living man they called the Christ walking and talking and eating?
No one "witnessed" a dead man rise from his stone cold slab.
And empty tomb is only evidence that a tomb was empty and not that a supposed "dead man" come back to life.
"This does not prove that the resurrection is true" says Licona.
Correct. This the is only thing in the thesis that Licona gets correct.
"But it shows the depth of the apostles’ convictions. They were not liars. They truly believed Jesus rose from the grave and they were willing to give their lives for it." https://www.biola.edu/blogs/biola-magazine/2013/did-the-apostles-really-die-as-martyrs-for-their-f
And this simply shows the mindset of the time.
"They were not liars" says Licona that was was raised in a Christian family and had once served an apologetics coordinator as does or did the author of your link Sean McDowell.
Maybe not, they were either deceived? Or in on the plot which would make them liars. Did they even see Jesus dead in the first instance? From what we can glean from scripture is that they all had it on there toes at the arrest in Gethsemane and weren't seen again with maybe the exception of Simon/Peter that was only identified became of his Galilean accent.
Michael R. Licona is simply wheeling out the same old drivel that has and will continue to sell millions of books world wide. How many theological based books does Licona have under his belt now? He should have stuck to music but then again, theological books are among the top sellers next to children's book, I have been told.
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@Stephen
Not a single word in this thesis produced by Licona proves a dead and stinking three day old corpse came back to life."Eye witness".To what? That they seen a living man they called the Christ walking and talking and eating?No one "witnessed" a dead man rise from his stone cold slab.And empty tomb is only evidence that a tomb was empty and not that a supposed "dead man" come back to life."This does not prove that the resurrection is true" says Licona.Correct. This the is only thing in the thesis that Licona gets correct."But it shows the depth of the apostles’ convictions. They were not liars. They truly believed Jesus rose from the grave and they were willing to give their lives for it." https://www.biola.edu/blogs/biola-magazine/2013/did-the-apostles-really-die-as-martyrs-for-their-fAnd this simply shows the mindset of the time."They were not liars" says Licona that was was raised in a Christian family and had once served an apologetics coordinator as does or did the author of your link Sean McDowell.Maybe not, they were either deceived? Or in on the plot which would make them liars. Did they even see Jesus dead in the first instance? From what we can glean from scripture is that they all had it on there toes at the arrest in Gethsemane and weren't seen again with maybe the exception of Simon/Peter that was only identified became of his Galilean accent.Michael R. Licona is simply wheeling out the same old drivel that has and will continue to sell millions of books world wide. How many theological based books does Licona have under his belt now? He should have stuck to music but then again, theological books are among the top sellers next to children's book, I have been told.
Typical response by someone who has NEVER done any homework.
The empty tomb is significant. Where did the body go? Who took it? And why were the strips of linen and the burial cloth left in the fashion that they were? The Romans and the Jewish leaders did not take the body. If they had, then at the first whiff of "resurrection" then they would have produced the body. But they didn't. The apostles might have had motivation if they actually thought the messiah might rise from the dead. Yet they stupidly did not understand the meaning of the OT scriptures. Motivation and opportunity go against someone stealing the body.
The strips of linen in the tomb speak against Jesus not being dead and simply reviving in the tomb. Firstly, Romans are very good at killing people. To suggest he didn't die is simply stupid. Yet some do. So if he simply revived in the tomb, why were the strips of linen and the burial cloth laid in such an orderly and neat manner? People who wake up would leave everything in a disheveled fashion. Lying on the floor. but this is not what the facts state. And if someone robbed the body - why take such time as to unwrap the body? It doesn't add up. It's not plausible. The simplest solution is often the most plausible one.
and Mary Magdalene was an eye-witness. It is quite clear - that despite the fact that she recognized Jesus. She clung to him. The facts are clear. No one had motive or opportunity to take the body. No one would have risked their lives breaking a Roman Governor's seal. The circumstantial evidence of the linen is significant an points away from either a grave robber or an alleged waking up of a not quite dead Jesus. It does speak to a resurrection - of a body mysteriously resurrecting. And then there is the eye-witness of a female. LOL! No Ancient Jewish author would have been caught dead using a female as a witness to corroborate such a story. It really is a significant issue.
this doesn't even touch on the fact that the NT record has 500 witnesses. - who were alive in Paul's time - at his writing -and for EVERY skeptic to go and talk too. This doesn't take into account that the disciples were prepared and in many cases did die for their eye-witness account. True people do die for things they believe in - but it is implausible to suggest that they all died for something they knew was a lie. That does not make sense.
Furthermore, this does not even take into account the exponential growth of the church. A small Jewish cult - in a backwater part of the world - based on the resurrection of Christ - becoming within 400 years the largest religion within Rome - such that the Roman Emperor at the time - Constantine had no choice but to stop making it illegal to be a Christian but to actually turn the empire Christian. (Personally I think this act was the worst one for Christianity. It tried to normalise it)
the Resurrection of Jesus has more evidence to support it historical reality than many other things in history. It is not believed on in faith. It is disbelieved by people in faith. to reject the resurrection is to demonstrate the utter stupidity of humanity. It is to reject evidence. It is to put blind faith above the truth. And you dear Stephen are a master of such foolishness.
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@Tradesecret
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Miss Tradesecret, as proven, the ungodly and admitted Transgender woman that went against Jesus at her birth in having a sex change from her male status to female,
Addressing your post #5,
YOUR QUOTE WHERE YOU FORGOT JESUS’ KILLINGS AS BEING #1 IN THIS SITUATION: “Firstly, Romans are very good at killing people.”
Dear, again you forgot our serial killer Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, where He made the Roman killings look like a Boy Scout picnic, where He killed His entire creation in the Great Flood, especially the innocent zygotes, fetus’ and babies within, and outside of the woman’s womb. You can save your normal incoherent explanation for this happening to save yourself from another whackydoodle response from you, where the bottom line is the fact that the end result is Jesus killed His creation, understood dear?
YOUR QUOTE OF ADMITTING THAT WOMAN ARE 2ND CLASS AND SHOULD LEARN THEIR PLACE OF BEING SILENT PER 1 TIMOTHY 2:12: “And then there is the eye-witness of a female. LOL! No Ancient Jewish author would have been caught dead using a female as a witness to corroborate such a story. It really is a significant issue.”
We thank you Transgender Miss Tradesecret in finally admitting that the woman is 2nd class, whereas before you didn’t take this position, good for you in your new enlightenment to be truthful to the scriptures for a change! We have to ask you though, as a transgendered woman now, when are you going to follow 1 Timothy 2:12 and remain SILENT within this forum?
NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN ADMITTED TRANSGENDERED WOMAN LIKE MISS TRADESECRET THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW 1 TIMOTHY 2:12, WILL BE ...?
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@Tradesecret
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Miss Tradesecret, as proven, the ungodly and admitted Transgender woman that went against Jesus at her birth in having a sex a change from her male status to female,
Addressing your post #5,
YOUR REVEALING QUOTE OF ANYONE IS STUPID IF THEY DON’T BELIEVE JESUS RESURRECTION FROM HIS 3 DAY TOMB NAP: “to reject the resurrection is to demonstrate the utter stupidity of humanity. It is to reject evidence. It is to put blind faith above the truth.”
Simply put to you Transgender Miss Tradesecret, the resurrection from death to life again was no big deal in the scriptures as a few examples of which are shown below:
1. Elijah raised a boy from the dead by stretching himself upon the dead boy three times:
"He stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again. And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived." (1 Kings 17:21-22)
2. Elisha brought a dead boy to life by laying on top of him, putting his mouth on the boys mouth, etc., until the flesh of the dead boy waxed warm.
“And when Elisha was come into the house, behold, the child was dead, and laid upon his bed. He went in therefore, and shut the door upon them twain, and prayed unto the LORD. And he went up, and lay upon the child, and put his mouth upon his mouth, and his eyes upon his eyes, and his hands upon his hands: and stretched himself upon the child; and the flesh of the child waxed warm. Then he returned, and walked in the house to and fro; and went up, and stretched himself upon him: and the child sneezed seven times.” (2 Kings 4:32-35)
3. A dead body was brought to life when it accidentally touched the bones of Elisha.
“And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulcher of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet.” (2 Kings 13:21)
4. And dead people rose and walked the streets of Jerusalem immediately after Jesus died.
“Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost ... And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose. And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.” (Matthew 9:50-53)
TRANSGENDER MISS TRADESECRET: Therefore, if you don’t believe in the other Bible resurrections shown above that are really bazaar, and are equal to Jesus' resurrection, and using your words, are you STUPID if you don't believe in the resurrection examples shown above?
DON'T RUN AS USUAL, BUT JUST EXPLAIN IF YOU ARE STUPID OR NOT, BEGIN:
NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN LIKE TRANSGENDER MISS TRADESECRET THAT HAS TO BELIEVE THAT JESUS WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT RAISED FROM THE DEAD, WHERE IT WAS NO BIG DEAL TO BEGIN WITH, WILL BE …?
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@BrotherD.Thomas
YOUR QUOTE WHERE YOU FORGOT JESUS’ KILLINGS AS BEING #1 IN THIS SITUATION: “Firstly, Romans are very good at killing people.”Dear, again you forgot our serial killer Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, where He made the Roman killings look like a Boy Scout picnic, where He killed His entire creation in the Great Flood, especially the innocent zygotes, fetus’ and babies within, and outside of the woman’s womb. You can save your normal incoherent explanation for this happening to save yourself from another whackydoodle response from you, where the bottom line is the fact that the end result is Jesus killed His creation, understood dear?
I have not forgotten that the God of the bible brings grace and judgment upon people in this world. I have never denied this fact. That you continue to misrepresent my views is "evidence" that you must rely upon lies and misrepresentation to justify your foolishness in being an atheist. Furthermore I am surprised that you would minimize the murderous activities of the Romans by alleging a worse activity by God. You do realize that your distraction only confirms that the Romans are very good at killing. And this is what the topic is about. The death of Jesus. Or are you suggesting that the Romans were shoddy and pathetic as killers? Hence, by NOT denying the Romans are very good at killing you inform the forum that you agree with me that Jesus was dead.
YOUR QUOTE OF ADMITTING THAT WOMAN ARE 2ND CLASS AND SHOULD LEARN THEIR PLACE OF BEING SILENT PER 1 TIMOTHY 2:12: “And then there is the eye-witness of a female. LOL! No Ancient Jewish author would have been caught dead using a female as a witness to corroborate such a story. It really is a significant issue.”
Again, I fully concede that females in that time, 2000 years ago were considered by their culture as second class citizens. In fact the Greeks and the Romans actually treated their females as lower than the slaves. Only Israel and then the church amongst these ancient cultures had a higher view of females. Yet despite this concession by my towards the ancient cultures, I do not personally hold to that view. Nor do I think that the church and Paul held to that view. It was the church infact that declared that females are equal with males. It was the church which declared that slaves are equal to their masters. It is the church which declared that all races are equal. For there is no distinction between these in Christ Jesus. Without the church, slavery would be running more rampant in the world. Without the church, females would never have got the vote. Without the church, racism would be accepted as normal. This is why John the Apostle was happy to use a female as a witness despite the culture around him ready to dismiss it. He was an advocate of truth not lies. Too bad, you can't distinguish between the two or rather - choose not to.
We thank you Transgender Miss Tradesecret in finally admitting that the woman is 2nd class, whereas before you didn’t take this position, good for you in your new enlightenment to be truthful to the scriptures for a change! We have to ask you though, as a transgendered woman now, when are you going to follow 1 Timothy 2:12 and remain SILENT within this forum?
Read above my comments to you. Again I repeat, I am male. Secondly, this is not a church. Thirdly, you have no authority over me. I am not married to you. Females were not to disrupt the service and more than a male could.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
YOUR REVEALING QUOTE OF ANYONE IS STUPID IF THEY DON’T BELIEVE JESUS RESURRECTION FROM HIS 3 DAY TOMB NAP: “to reject the resurrection is to demonstrate the utter stupidity of humanity. It is to reject evidence. It is to put blind faith above the truth.”Simply put to you Transgender Miss Tradesecret, the resurrection from death to life again was no big deal in the scriptures as a few examples of which are shown below:1. Elijah raised a boy from the dead by stretching himself upon the dead boy three times:"He stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again. And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived." (1 Kings 17:21-22)2. Elisha brought a dead boy to life by laying on top of him, putting his mouth on the boys mouth, etc., until the flesh of the dead boy waxed warm.“And when Elisha was come into the house, behold, the child was dead, and laid upon his bed. He went in therefore, and shut the door upon them twain, and prayed unto the LORD. And he went up, and lay upon the child, and put his mouth upon his mouth, and his eyes upon his eyes, and his hands upon his hands: and stretched himself upon the child; and the flesh of the child waxed warm. Then he returned, and walked in the house to and fro; and went up, and stretched himself upon him: and the child sneezed seven times.” (2 Kings 4:32-35)3. A dead body was brought to life when it accidentally touched the bones of Elisha.“And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulcher of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet.” (2 Kings 13:21)4. And dead people rose and walked the streets of Jerusalem immediately after Jesus died.“Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost ... And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose. And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.” (Matthew 9:50-53)
It's shame you are so inept at reading. Yet what else can we surmise from your typical blundering. I said Jesus did not just revive - he was resurrected. No one said he was sleeping and then just woke up. He never said I am going to go sleep and then be raised from the dead. Like the little girl Talitha. Jesus said she was asleep. Lazarus was asleep - dead in that sense as well.
Jesus on the other hand did not wake up, he did not revive from sleep or death in that sense. He was resurrected. Quite a completely different thing. If you had read my words above which clearly you did not, then you would realize that the strips of linen prove Jesus did not just revive like those who Elijah, Elisha and even Jesus raised from the dead. Jesus was in a different realm altogether.
If Jesus has simply revived - itself an extraordinary matter, then the strips of line would have been cast off - much like Lazarus when he came out of the tomb. But they weren't. They were not on the floor in a disheveled state. No they were still on the slab where Jesus has been laid as a dead man. The strips and the burial cloth appeared just as though Jesus had disappeared or simply vanished. This resurrection of Jesus was not like the revivals of others. Surely even some one as ignorant of you can detect the differences.
Therefore the answer to your question is simple. Only Jesus was resurrected from the dead. Everyone else who was revived from the dead were revived. Although quite dead - asleep in their own sinful bodies. Jesus was resurrected. Hence the leaving behind of the strips and the burial cloth. Jesus now had a resurrected body. Just to be clear - resurrection and revival from the dead are two different types of activities in the Bible. One comes back with the same body - the other with a resurrected body. In fact this is the type of body that those who trust in Jesus will receive on the Last Day - new resurrected bodies.
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@n8nrgmi
As a follow on from my previous post above #4
So
let’s look at one
of finer points that Sean
McDowell reproduces
from Michael Licona’s work in the link of
your OP focusing on so called “martyrdom” of the disciples for, it
is believed by Christian, their belief in a man that was once
dead and came back to life while simply keeping in mind that nowhere in the whole of scripture is it reported that
anyone actually witnessed Jesus physically rise from being stone cold
dead and no longer alive, that is to say biologically dead.
As mentioned above, is
all we know is that a tomb was found empty and that these disciples
believed that a man said to have died after being crucified was
now walking about, speaking and drinking and eating. If
we are to take the New Testament as in any way true.*
Michael Licona wrote: “After Jesus’ death, the disciples endured persecution, and a number of them experienced martyrdom”.
The
followers of Jesus were wanted regardless of what they believed in*.
They for the best part were Galilean rebels if not full blown zealots
and followers of a man that was also wanted and authorities wanted dead*. It had all come to a
head when Jesus and his entourage crashed the Temple compound and
challenged the priests and money changers during a rebellious
outbreak and a full frontal challenge to the Roman authorities*; this
appears to have been the last straw. This is not to mention that they
were Jews and not Christians. And most people are referred to as
“martyrs” when fighting and dying for the cause, be it legitimate
or otherwise.
Michael Licona wrote: Second, early Christians were persecuted for their faith. John the Baptist was imprisoned and beheaded (Matt. 14:1–11).
What this has to do with martyrdom because of a belief in a resurrected "dead man" is anyone's guess? John was dead before Jesus was alleged to have resurrected from being stone cold biologically dead. *
Never the less this
is true * according to the New Testament. But Michael Licona is
being more than disingenuous. John the Baptist was
executed in prison but for what? The bible tells us nothing more than
John the Baptist was imprisoned (and beheaded) by Herod Antipas for denouncing his
marriage (to his brothers wife), which was illegal under Jewish Law.*
There
is no mention of how and when John was " taken " and we are only given a
-why. It is worthy taking note of verse 5 here.
Matthew
14: 3-5 For Herod had taken John and put him in prison. It was
because of Herodias, the wife of his brother Philip. 4 For John had
said to him, “It is against the Law for you to have her.” 5 He
would have killed John but he was afraid of the people.*
What
John thought of Herod Antipas the puppet king and his marital
situation would have been of no interest to Herod. He was of Arab
Nabataean stock. It is more likely that John was eventually killed
because of his sizeable following that, for the most part, are believed to have gone over to the Jesus movement and it’s cause and only after John was said to be dead. It is interesting that only after the death of John that Jesus really comes to the foreground.
Jewish
Historian Josephus in his Jewish Wars has this to say about the death
of John the Baptist:
Now
many people came in crowds to him [
John the baptist],
for they were greatly moved by his words. Herod, who feared that the
great influence John had over the masses might put them into his
power and enable him to raise a rebellion (for they seemed ready to
do anything he should advise), thought it best to put him to
death. In this way, he might prevent any mischief John might cause,
and not bring himself into difficulties by sparing a man who might
make him repent of it when it would be too late.
Accordingly
John was sent as a prisoner, out of Herod's suspicious temper, to
Macherus, the castle I already mentioned, and was put to death.
Flavius
Josephus, Jewish Antiquities.
We read
nothing from
Josephus of
the dancing stepdaughter (that
is never named in scripture)being
offered a reward of “half
my kingdom” for simply dancing for the lustful king on his birthday, * which, I am sure that would have gone down well with the Romans that had put
him in place had the dancing bint taken up the offer and Herod Antipas had actually have honoured his offer.
The
bible mentions nothing of the people rising up at the news of John's
death, a man that
was so loved by the masses and that would hang on every word he spoke – unless of course this was the real reason of the full blown Temple rebellion and not just Jesus
throwing a hissy fit in the company of a few friends.? And
no mention of Jesus shedding a tear over the death of someone whom he called
“the greatest prophet that ever lived”* And we don’t know why
Jesus didn’t resurrect the worlds greatest prophet, either .....enmity perhaps?
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@Stephen
Admirable Stephen.
Junia. Male or female?
Now i am sure there was alot of females that died for there beliefs back in the day.
But.
But.
They aint at all important.
Jesus and god and or jesus god seemed to have a view on women that corresponds with the " times "
But thats another story.
Watching a tomb for a few days.
Did peopel do that back then ?
Or happen to be around that area at the time jesus was fully reckted
Catching a glimps of Jesus coming out of the tomb " ghost like "
People from that day on must of been mad tomb / " grave " watches.
Someone dies and people just watch their graves for months on end, waiting for them to rise again.
Did anyone want to be " put to rest " in that exact tomb?
I bet they did.
Tis a magical tomb.
That patch of dirt jesus was burried / placed would NEVER be unknown.
You want a couple of witness statements that read.
Troy and Jane witnessed something odd like moving around the tomb at the time of this " coming back to life thing " but can't be sure on what they witnessed. ( they don't think it was human. )
Greg from the hut across the way heard what he describes as loud scratching noises from that same area but seen nothing.
And
The dozen or so people that have been at the tomb site for 8 days straight now amd have not witnessed anything ummmm, extraordinary like.
Historical facts state.
A couple of dozen apostles witnessed it .
Historical facts wouldn't of metioned
The hundred other people or moret hat were there didn't see shlt.
Thats BIBLICAL historic facts.
Wow i hated typing that sentence.( biblical historic facts )
Yuk.
Good game.
Good game.
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@Stephen
John was dead before Jesus was alleged to have resurrected from being stone cold biologically dead
That is actually the interesting debate. Sure, the Gospel accounts hold that the order is that John died first, but this might not actually be the case. Historians mostly view Jesus to have died in the year 33CE while Josephus makes it very clear that John's death was in the year 36CE. Sure, some historians do view that Jesus also died in the year 36CE (which is the absolute latest possible year it could have been), but that is not, as far as I am aware, the consensus at the moment. As such, the Gospel accounts very well could have mistakenly gotten the order of events confused.
The op reads ( " proof of Christianity " )
Proof of Christianity Is not needed.
Christianity is a " thing " we know " Christianity " exists.
So yes, the marty dom thihg is proof of "Christianity"
May i suggest.
Gods begotten identical twins sons . J1 and J2.
We may be underestimating ummmm, our god.
He can do stuff like that. Bring people back to life.
If you have him creating the universe and all thats in it.
I'm sure he could bring someone " back " to life.
God can make / have 900 plus year old Adams.
And 900 year old Noah's and his other right hand man that lived over 500 years.
GOD CAN DO IT.
Hold on a sec.
Actually
If God makes the universe from nothing.
Why would god need a pile of dirt to make a man and women from rib.
This isn't adding up.
The milks sour.
And if the milks sour, I ain't the kind of pussy to drink it.
If we are to take the New Testament as in any way true.* #10
[A]
Matthew 14:10
10 "and had John beheaded in the prison. 11 His
head was brought in on a platter and given to the girl, who carried
it to her mother. 12 John’s disciples came and took
his body and buried it. Then they went and told
Jesus." Jesus is alive and taking messages
from "John's disciples" after John is dead.*
[B]
Matthew 14: 13 When Jesus heard what had happened [to John
the Baptist], he withdrew by boat privately to a solitary place. Jesus is alive after John is said to be dead and
on a boat.*
[C]
Mark 6:14 And king Herod heard of him [Jesus]; (for his
name was spread abroad:) and he said, That John the
Baptist was risen from the dead, and therefore mighty works do shew
forth themselves in him [Jesus]. Jesus is alive and
performing "mighty works" after John is alleged to have
been beheaded. *
And let us not misunderstand or misrepresent Jewish Historian Josephus.
Josephus clearly places the destruction of Herod's army sometime after the execution of John the Baptist, with no reference as to how
long after. Other historical documents date the destruction of
Herod's army in 36AD.
So this goes nowhere in proving or even suggesting that John died
after Jesus.
Nor does it conflict with the chronology of events in New Testament
scriptures*
Saying “this defeat was believed was the punishment from god for
killing John”.
"Now the Jews had an opinion, that the destruction of this
army was sent as a punishment upon Herod [ For killing John]; and a
mark of God’s displeasure to him".
Josephus, Jewish Antiquities
Maybe this places Jesus’ crucifixion or his alleged "death"
later than Christians commonly believe, since we have an account of
Jesus learning of John’s death* and other references to John being dead* while Jesus is clearly alive* and not the other way around? See [A] [B]
& [C]. And in no sense of the word would this make John the
Baptist a "martyr" for believing or even preaching about
the dead man "risen" Christ
And we shouldn't forget that John the Baptist, "the greatest prophet that had ever lived" had some serious doubt about Jesus and his claims*..
So
I stand by what I wrote above at #10 .
Of the three verses that I referred to [A] [B] &
[C], it is [C] that Christians should have concerns about or at least be querying, in my own opinion*.
And there is this ambiguous enigmatic statement from Jesus:
"And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force"*.Matthew 11:12
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@Tradesecret
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Miss Tradesecret, as proven, the ungodly and admitted Transgender woman that went against Jesus at her birth in having a sex a change from her male status to female child of 14 years old,
Addressing your misconstrued post #8,
YOUR QUOTE OF ACCEPTING THAT JESUS IS A BRUTAL SERIAL KILLER: “I have not forgotten that the God of the bible brings grace and judgment upon people in this world. I have never denied this fact.”
Yes dear, we realize that you will NEVER forget the fact that when Jesus brings “judgment” to His Hebrew creation ONLY, He brutally kills them, where when you say it is “judgment,” the end result is in one case, Jesus drowned His entire creation in an horrific suffocating deaths, praise Jesus in His ever loving and forgiving nature!
Miss Tradesecret, have you ever thought that when Jesus killed His Hebrew creation in the Great Flood, then how can an innocent baby really be evil where they need to die a horrible drowning death when they didn't know about their parents evil? Can you see this hopelessly baby treading water in Yahweh’s flood for hours as they cry out in horror to their mothers? Picture their muscles burning due to large amounts of lactic acid production, where when they finally give up, they went under and held their little breaths as acidic carbon dioxide eroded their lungs until the unbearable pain forced them to inhale, where there was no air for them to breathe. All the while, our Jesus as Yahweh God incarnate is watching! (Proverbs 15:3)
Subsequent to the young babies not being able to breath as shown above, then the water brought into their little lungs that robbed their little bodies of oxygen, causing them to go numb. As water violently rushed in and out of their little lungs, it finally laid their heavily breathing and slowly dying bodies to the bottom of the ocean as the inhaled water caused their lungs to tear and bleed profusely. All the while, our ever loving and forgiving Jesus is watching! (Proverbs 15:3)
Seriously, do you think that Jesus had a smile upon His face in watching innocent zygotes, fetus’ and babies painfully drown in this manner? Huh?
EXPLAIN, BEGIN:
YOUR REVEALING QUOTE OF WOMEN BEING 2ND CLASS!!!!: “Again, I fully concede that females in that time, 2000 years ago were considered by their culture as second class citizens.”
YES! You finally admit that women are 2nd class citizens, then in the Bible era, AND, in the 21st century as well as biblical shown herewith: "Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain SILENT" (1 Timothy 2: 11-12)
Since you are shown to be a transgendered woman/child of 14 years old, when are you actually going to follow Jesus’s direct words within the scriptures and NOT be in this forum as a female in “trying” to teach men your Bible spin doctoring in the name of Satan?!
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@Tradesecret
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Miss Tradesecret, as proven, the ungodly and admitted Transgender woman that went against Jesus at her birth in having a sex a change from her male status to female child of 14 years old,
Addressing further your misconstrued post $8,
YOUR OVERLY LYING QUOTE TO YOUR DISMAY ONCE AGAIN: “Read above my comments to you. Again I repeat, I am male. Secondly, this is not a church. Thirdly, you have no authority over me. I am not married to you. Females were not to disrupt the service and more than a male could.”
In answer to your LYING and DUMBFOUNDED of the Bible quotes above:
1. You are a woman as your previous profile so states: https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME9338U and where your current profile states your gender is “other” at this time, and that you are 14 years old girl in being born on December 31, 2008: https://www.debateart.com/profiles/Tradesecret
Furthermore, you ADMIT that you are a “little young girl” in these posts of yours pertaining to the unfounded notion of me allegedly stalking you:
Deducing it down to the irreducible primary, you are a woman/child and NOT a male! Case closed at your embarrassing expense, period!
2. What does the church have to do with you being shown as a woman in relation to 1 Timothy 2:11- 12 you Bible ignorant fool, in where YOU are to remain SILENT even as a transgendered woman, period!
3. Miss Tradesecret, I do have authority over the woman as a superior man, because Jesus’ words state that to please Him, I must escape from the 2nd class woman like YOU, which I easily do in Bible Slapping you Silly ad infinitum: “I find more bitter than death the woman who is a snare, whose heart is a trap and whose hands are chains. The man who pleases God will escape her, but the sinner she will ensnare.” (Ecclesiastes 7:26)
4. You are not married to me? THANK YOU again in admitting that you are a woman since I am a man! Whoopsy doo, you dig another hole and step into it again! LOL!
5. Again Bible fool, what does your quote of “females were not to disrupt the service (church) got to do with 1 Timothy 2:11-12? H-E-L-L-O, anybody home?
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Miss Tradesecret, I can’t count the times you have RAN AWAY from my godly posts to you, therefore not only do you remain the #1 Bible runaway in this forum, but you are also guilty of being in this forum as an ungodly transgendered woman speaking when you are NOT to speak in here in the first place, per 1 Timothy 2:11- 12!
EXPLAIN, where do you get this authority to not follow the scriptures as a woman shown above, barring that you are a transgendered woman!
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@Tradesecret
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Miss Tradesecret, as proven, the ungodly and admitted Transgender woman that went against Jesus in having a sex a change from her male status to a 14 year old female,
Addressing your misconstrued post #9,
YOUR PLAYING WITH WORDS AND CONCEPTS OF THE RESURRECTION OF OUR ZOMBI SERIAL KILLER JESUS THE CHRIST: “Jesus on the other hand did not wake up, he did not revive from sleep or death in that sense. He was resurrected. Quite a completely different thing.”
Miss Tradesecret, again, you go to great lengths in making yourself more Bible stupid, and stupid as well outside of the Bible relative to medical science! You are just too funny! LOL!
A miraculous "resurrection" is when Jesus was most definitely dead (Mark 15:37), and laid in a dead state for three days, therefore you cannot use the term “revive” like you stated in context to the term "death" above because this means the person is still alive with some malady awaiting to be recovered! If you are dead for more than hour you can NEVER be “revived” by another and Jesus was dead for three days so do the simple math! GET IT MEDICAL IGNORANT FOOL? HUH? Think, who would want to "revive" a rotting corpse after 3 days to begin with? LOL!
Jesus being God, and His own Father, son, and Holy Ghost as well within the triune doctrine, He brought Himself back to life in 3 days in a zombi form to walk the earth once again in scaring the bejesus out of His disciples! Jesus in this sense is as funny as you are in trying to explain away your Bible stupidity upon your resurrection topic, but you do make us laugh in doing so, we thank you!
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@Tradesecret
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Miss Tradesecret, as proven, the ungodly and admitted Transgender woman that went against Jesus in having a sex a change from her male status to a 14 year old female,
Further addressing your misconstrued post #9,
YOUR QUOTE SHOWING JESUS JUST DISAPPEARED OR VANISHED: “The strips and the burial cloth appeared just as though Jesus had disappeared or simply vanished.”
Using your quote of Jesus vanished or disappeared regarding a “resurrected body,” then how in the hell do you eliminate your Bible stupidity with this narrative subsequent to Jesus, allegedly by you, disappearing from His 3 day tomb nap, where Jesus in the following passage was in a physical form:
“As they were talking about these things, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, “Peace to you!” But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit. And he said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, he said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he took it and ate before them.” (Luke 24:36-43)
As shown in the Luke passage above, Jesus was in a "physical form," where you state He disappeared! Therefore, what is your latest "spin" on this biblical axiom, where you turn yourself into an ungodly pretzel once again when doing so?
EXPLAIN, BEGIN:
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@Tradesecret
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Miss Tradesecret, as proven, the ungodly and admitted Transgender woman that went against Jesus in having a sex a change from her male status to a 14 year old female,
Further addressing your misconstrued post #9,
YOUR MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE GOES SEVERELY WANTING IN YOU TRYING TO GET OUT OF YOUR BIBLE STUPIDITY: “Everyone else who was revived from the dead were revived”
Jesus H. Christ, your hole that you dig for yourself is NEVER deep enough for you, is it dear? LOL!
AGAIN, you would use the term "revive" if the person is not dead for an hour and still breathing and their heart is still beating, where sooner or later the person will recover, get it, medical doofus?!
YOUR COMEDIC QUOTE OF OUR LAST DAY BODIES TO HEAVEN, WHERE YOU BEING A WOMAN WILL NOT BE GOING TO HEAVEN IN THE FIRST PLACE: “In fact this is the type of body that those who trust in Jesus will receive on the Last Day - new resurrected bodies.”
If you are going to use the term “resurrected body,” like Jesus had, and that you say we will have on the last day after our death, in Jesus giving us the example, then how come our bodies don’t disappear like Jesus’ body did after our death at any given time? You specifically stated that Jesus’ body DISAPPEARED or VANISHED, then again, why doesn’t our bodies do this after our death if you are going to say that we will have resurrected bodies that are too disappear or vanish like Jesus' did ?
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YOUR QUOTE CONTRADICTING YOURSELF AGAIN: “Only Jesus was resurrected from the dead.”
YOUR CONTRADICTING QUOTE TO THE ABOVE QUOTE: “In fact this is the type of body that those who trust in Jesus will receive on the Last Day - new resurrected bodies.“
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Miss transgendered Tradesecret, listen, I have always said that you provide great comedy entertainment to this esteemed Religion Forum, even though it is at your embarrassing expense all the time! Therefore, your stand up comedy relative to Jesus was resurrected in being different from reviving, being dead, sleep, etc., was one of your best performances into the comedy realm, bar none! I APPLAUD YOU FOR YOUR COMEDY GENIUS!
Since you have no choice in being so Bible stupid, because you are what you are, can you at least supply us with an abundance of Kleenex tissues to wipe our tears of laughter subsequent to reading your Bible stupid posts in the future? YES?
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@Tradesecret
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Miss Tradesecret, as proven, the ungodly and admitted Transgender woman that went against Jesus in having a sex a change from her male status to a 14 year old female,
Subsequent to you wiping the egg from your face again relative to my posts to you #19 - #22 , can you possibly clear up a serious question that I logically fail to answer at this time? It is where just how many 2nd class woman visited Jesus’ tomb in the resurrection scenario shown in the passages below, where they all contradict each other!
The women visiting Jesus’ tomb is central to the resurrection story, and has to be without a doubt correct in every way, but how many women actually visited Jesus’ tomb? Therefore, your known expertise in Satanically “spin doctoring” the Bible at your laughable expense, I thought you could show us logically which passage is correct and the reasoning behind your decision because they all cannot be correct when they contradict each other!
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In Mark 16:1, Three women visit Jesus’ tomb: Mary Magdalene, a second Mary, and Salome.
In Matthew 28:1, two women visit Jesus’ tomb: Mary Magdalene and another Mary.
In Luke 24:10, at least five women visit Jesus’ tomb: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, Joanna, and “other women.”
John 20:1, only one woman visits Jesus’ tomb: Mary Magdalene.
Miss Tradesecret, waiting a cogent reply this time, okay? Thank you.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
Subsequent to you wiping the egg from your face again relative to my posts to you #19 - #22 , can you possibly clear up a serious question that I logically fail to answer at this time? It is where just how many 2nd class woman visited Jesus’ tomb in the resurrection scenario shown in the passages below, where they all contradict each other!The women visiting Jesus’ tomb is central to the resurrection story, and has to be without a doubt correct in every way, but how many women actually visited Jesus’ tomb? Therefore, your known expertise in Satanically “spin doctoring” the Bible at your laughable expense, I thought you could show us logically which passage is correct and the reasoning behind your decision because they all cannot be correct when they contradict each other!BEGIN:In Mark 16:1, Three women visit Jesus’ tomb: Mary Magdalene, a second Mary, and Salome.In Matthew 28:1, two women visit Jesus’ tomb: Mary Magdalene and another Mary.In Luke 24:10, at least five women visit Jesus’ tomb: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, Joanna, and “other women.”John 20:1, only one woman visits Jesus’ tomb: Mary Magdalene.Miss Tradesecret, waiting a cogent reply this time, okay? Thank you.
I provided cogent answers above. It is your failure to comprehend which is the problem. I see no reason from your responses to reply. Not once were you able to refute even one answer.
This question you are putting is a common one put by people trying to find any alleged discrepancy. Let me suggest to you that sometimes the Gospel describes one person going to the tomb when there are actually more there. The others not mentioned by name or even in attendance. But take John 20:1 for example - it is clear that there were more than one person there. How can I be sure? Read John 20:2 - the very next verse. What does Mary say? "they have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don't know where they have put him". I have highlighted the personal pronoun for you. Mary says - "we". We means more than one. Well at least it did when I went to school. So in this example you have provided - which you suggest only one woman visits - the one woman herself says "we". Was she lying?
Also look at the common factor here. Mary Magdalene. In all accounts. 3 out of 4 mention another Mary. So in every account there is more than one person. And in every account Mary Magdalene is there.
So it appears that Mary Magdalene; Mary, the mother of James; Salome, and Joanna were there. None of the accounts actually provide the number of people who attended. The one thing which was necessary and which is consistent is Mary Magdalene was the first witness of the Resurrected Christ.
I don't know how many people attended. There might have been four or five or more. I do know that these passages are not a contradiction. I can see how people might perceive it to be the case. Yet that is reading into it. As John 20:1-2 clearly confirm - only Mary is mentioned, yet, she says "we". I am quite content to see harmony here as opposed to contradiction. I don't have to find reasons to try and prove error. That is your problem. Not mine.
If any one the readings you provided actually provided a specific "number" of people who attended, then that would give some substance to your allegation. Yet it does not say anywhere that "Only" these people attended. Really, it looks like you are desperately trying to find some straw.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
YOUR QUOTE CONTRADICTING YOURSELF AGAIN: “Only Jesus was resurrected from the dead.”YOUR CONTRADICTING QUOTE TO THE ABOVE QUOTE: “In fact this is the type of body that those who trust in Jesus will receive on the Last Day - new resurrected bodies.“
I will respond to this request because I can see how someone who has trouble comprehending might have got lost.
Let me repeat. Only Jesus was resurrected from the dead. I wonder if you noticed "was". This at least in my understanding is in the past tense. This is talking about something that occurred in the past. On the other hand, I also say that people who trust in Jesus will receive on the Last Day, new resurrected bodies. Notice in that sentence I am using "will receive on the Last Day". This is in the future tense. The Last Day has not yet occurred. So your comprehension skills seem to need some homework in relation to the distinction between the past and the future.
Hence, only Jesus was (in the past) resurrected. Those who trust in Jesus will receive (in the future) new resurrected bodies.
Sorry to have to call to your attention such basic comprehension skills, but as your teacher, it would be remiss of my not to.
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@n8nrgmi
If we are to take the New Testament as in any way true.*
Following on from my previous posts above #10  where I broke down the blatant lies of Licona concerning John the Baptist"martyrdom" . And more from the link that you posted.> https://www.biola.edu/blogs/biola-magazine/2013/did-the-apostles-really-die-as-martyrs-for-their-f
Michael Licona wrote: Stephen was stoned to death after his witness before the Sanhedrin (Acts 6–8)
Stephen has false charges of "blasphemy" brought against him. *
After giving the Sanhedrin a quick history of the Hebrews Stephen's so called "witness" to actually seeing the resurrected Jesus was nothing more than a vision that he claimed to have had. At the end of giving his history lesson but before his claims to be seeing the "son of man"* the scriptures tell us that- " when the members of the Sanhedrin heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him".* It was then Stephen seems to decided he is doomed anyway so decided to have his vision.
"Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
“Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God".*
There is no mention of anyone else in the room witnessing this vision.
And the scripture don't reveal what - "members of the Synagogue of the Freedmen (as it was called)—Jews of Cyrene and Alexandria as well as the provinces of Cilicia and Asia and Stephen"* were arguing about in the first instance for them to bare false witness against him. * Unless we go back to Acts 6-1 where we can read of the Hebraic Jews holding back rations from the Hellenised Jews?
Regardless, Stephen only claims to have had a vision and had never seen or ever met the walking, talking, eating and drinking "son of man" named Jesus after his alleged resurrection from the "dead".
It is worth noting that the scripture here is making a clear distinction between the Hellenised Jews (Jews who had adopted the Greek language and culture aka "the lost children of Israel") & Hebraic Jews. Acts 6:1
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@Tradesecret
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Miss Tradesecret, as proven, the ungodly and admitted Transgender woman that went against Jesus in having a sex a change from her male status to a 14 year old female,
Addressing your ever so wanting post #25,
YOUR SELF-EVIDENT RUN AWAY QUOTE: “I don't have to find reasons to try and prove error. That is your problem. Not mine.“
Uh, yes dear, when you cannot address a topic, then you pull out the old "it is me that needs to prove the error, not you! The reason of my post is the FACT in how many 2nd class women like YOU visited the tomb, in which I showed blatant contradictions in the LITERAL form that you have yet to address other than in using your child like hermeneutics!
In using these direct words from Jesus, then there’re contradictions and your apologetics fall flat upon their face: “EVERY word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5). Therefore, when EVERY word of Jesus is flawless, then there are contradictions in how many 2nd class women were at the tomb without your comical interpretation antics, understood Bible fool?
YOUR QUOTE ONCE AGAIN IN TRYING TO FIND STRAW: “Yet it does not say anywhere that "Only" these people attended.”
OMG, your lack of education makes itself known once again, whereas the contradicting passages "does say in how many women were at the tomb" which is the topic at hand, and where each passage says a different amount of 2nd class women. 2+2=4, oil and water don't mix, and your Bible stupidity continues in front of the membership!
Addressing your ever so wanting post #25,
YOUR SELF-EVIDENT RUN AWAY QUOTE: “I don't have to find reasons to try and prove error. That is your problem. Not mine.“
Uh, yes dear, when you cannot address a topic, then you pull out the old "it is me that needs to prove the error, not you! The reason of my post is the FACT in how many 2nd class women like YOU visited the tomb, in which I showed blatant contradictions in the LITERAL form that you have yet to address other than in using your child like hermeneutics!
In using these direct words from Jesus, then there’re contradictions and your apologetics fall flat upon their face: “EVERY word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5). Therefore, when EVERY word of Jesus is flawless, then there are contradictions in how many 2nd class women were at the tomb without your comical interpretation antics, understood Bible fool?
YOUR QUOTE ONCE AGAIN IN TRYING TO FIND STRAW: “Yet it does not say anywhere that "Only" these people attended.”
OMG, your lack of education makes itself known once again, whereas the contradicting passages "does say in how many women were at the tomb" which is the topic at hand, and where each passage says a different amount of 2nd class women. 2+2=4, oil and water don't mix, and your Bible stupidity continues in front of the membership!
HOMEWORK FOR MISS TRADESECRET: Here is your homework tonight, you are to study the word "Deduction" pertaining to the deriving of a conclusion by reasoning that you obviously don't have "at this time" upon this topic, but hopefully will have in the near future so as not to make you the continued Bible fool within this forum. You can thank me later dear.
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@Tradesecret
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Miss Tradesecret, as proven, the ungodly and admitted Transgender woman that went against Jesus in having a sex a change from her male status to a 14 year old female,
Addressing your comical post #26,
YOUR CONTRADICTING QUOTE TO ONE OF MANY BIBLICAL AXIOMS THAT SAY YOU ARE WRONG: ”Hence, only Jesus was (in the past) resurrected. Those who trust in Jesus will receive (in the future) new resurrected bodies. “
Using the term “resurrection” is simply the state of one risen from the dead where it only took our Jesus 3 days to figure this out in being our serial killer Yahweh God incarnate, and therefore your Bible stupidity makes itself known once again in the following passage where Jesus was not the only one resurrected like you proposed, in the true sense of the word:
Addressing your comical post #26,
YOUR CONTRADICTING QUOTE TO ONE OF MANY BIBLICAL AXIOMS THAT SAY YOU ARE WRONG: ”Hence, only Jesus was (in the past) resurrected. Those who trust in Jesus will receive (in the future) new resurrected bodies. “
Using the term “resurrection” is simply the state of one risen from the dead where it only took our Jesus 3 days to figure this out in being our serial killer Yahweh God incarnate, and therefore your Bible stupidity makes itself known once again in the following passage where Jesus was not the only one resurrected like you proposed, in the true sense of the word:
“Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost ... And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose. And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.” (Matthew 9:50-53)
Dear Miss Tradesecret, once again you perceive that the members of this Religion Forum are as dumbfounded as you are when it comes to true biblical axioms that easily bury your Bible stupid quotes! LOL!
Dear Miss Tradesecret, once again you perceive that the members of this Religion Forum are as dumbfounded as you are when it comes to true biblical axioms that easily bury your Bible stupid quotes! LOL!
Furthermore dear, you are still RUNNING AWAY from your subjective notion that Jesus disappeared or vanished because of His resurrection inside of the tomb, then obviously He set an example to you where our bodies upon the Last Day if we are dead at this time will disappear as well, where there is no need for an open casket at ones funeral! LOL!
Can you find some straw in explaining this notion of yours above in providing more laughter for the membership?
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Can you find some straw in explaining this notion of yours above in providing more laughter for the membership?
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Miss Tradesecret, as proven, the ungodly and admitted Transgender woman that went against Jesus in having a sex a change from her male status to a 14 year old female,
Miss Tradesecret, the ungodly transgendered woman, don't think that Jesus, the membership, and myself haven't noticed that you are still sheepishly RUNNING AWAY from my godly posts to you shown below, and within this thread alone, at this time:
Remember this adage that I have to remind you of ad infinitum: "This is a discussion forum on religion, NOT a runaway from discussion forum from religion!"
Now, if you can't address my godly posts to you shown above that you continue to run away from, that easily prove you being the #1 Bible runaway because I have easily Bible Slapped you Silly,®️ then just come to these terms with this fact and leave this forum where you will be more at home at the following Christian Children's Forum herewith: https://www.forumchristian.org/forumkidsonline
Furthermore dear, you are running away from my godly posts in your own thread that I recently reminded you of, but at this time, you remain SILENT and are still hiding from them at your embarrassing expense. :(
IS THERE ANY PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN TRANSGENDERED WOMAN THAT IS 14 YEARS OLD LIKE MISS TRADESECRET IS, AND THAT DOES NOT RUNAWAY FROM JESUS' TRUE WORDS LIKE SHE DOES, WHERE WHOSE NAME WILL BE ...?
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