What's the situation with the Hunter Biden's Laptop?
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@Bones
Matt Gaetz is definitely an alien.
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@zedvictor4
I don't know if it's a confidentiality thing but the guy Gaetz was talking to was getting absolutely grilled.
What's the situation with the Hunter Biden's Laptop?
Which?
- The laptop hard drive seized by the FBI in 2019?
- The laptop hard drive that Russian agents in Ukraine were trying to sell for $5 million in 2019?
- The laptop Steve Bannon claimed to have in his (illegal) possession in the summer of 2020?
- The three water-damaged unclaimed laptops that a Delaware Mac repair shop (illegally) turned over to Giuliani in October 2020 who then turned these over to the FBI office in Baltimore?
- The laptop hard drive Matt Gaetz now claims to be in (illegal) possession of?
How many laptops is Hunter supposed to have? Why does he keep posting the same compromising shirtless selfies of himself doing drugs on all these laptops? Why are we supposed to care?
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@oromagi
The three water-damaged unclaimed laptops that a Delaware Mac repair shop (illegally) turned over to Giuliani in October 2020 who then turned these over to the FBI office in Baltimore?
That one, it's the one that has now been triple confirmed (by two media orgs and people at the DOJ)
Why are we supposed to care?
The shirtless drug pictures don't matter except to support authenticity. The correspondence building a strong case for organized crime selling US foreign policy for personal wealth do matter.
The corrupt activity of the Biden family (definitely including the big guy) caused corruption in the Ukrainian government itself (firing Viktor Shokin for instance), could be linked to the insurrection in Ukraine, and the likely puppet status of Ukraine.
That insurrection, that corruption, and now bio-labs actually linked to Biden (I dismissed that as Russian propaganda until it was confirmed) are all major elements in the evolving Russian casus belli.
The suppression of this story likely had a significant impact on the so called 2020 election. Before that Trumps attempt to uncover these plots led to his first baseless impeachment. Biden was also involved in the first state involved framing that was intended to be used to impeach him (the prostitute peeing Russia collusion hoax).
So in summation we should care because there is obviously a conspiracy here that has attempted to destroy one US president, severely harmed the democracy in the USA and Ukraine, and contributed to causing a war which has displaced millions and killed thousands.
I think that counts as significant.
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@oromagi
What exactly is your theory? That it’s all made up?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
the so called 2020 election
A conspiracy kook and a pedo apologist? You must have had some really mixed feelings about Pizzagate.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
My feelings on ad hominem are fairly clear, I point them out, then ignore them, and take the potential respect for the originator down a peg.
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@oromagi
- The laptop hard drive Matt Gaetz now claims to be in (illegal) possession of?
Yeah I was super surprised when he took it out. Isn't that thing supposed to be locked up in some FBI headquarter? Also, why would you publicly admit to having an item which you have minutes ago claimed is supposed to be seized by the FBI? Still though it was slightly concerning how FBI guy couldn't answer anything.
Also, I am referring to the recent Gaetz situation.
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@Bones
I’m pretty sure he said he had the contents of the laptop, which is different then having the laptop. I could be mistaken tho
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@ILikePie5
Of course you aren't mistaken, apparently it takes well above average IQ to think of such things these days. I should have been a prepper...
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@ILikePie5
He held up a hard drive looking item and declared that he was in possession of the laptop and wanted it to be examined. Though him saying he was in possession of the laptop could have been a reference to the contents.
“I seek unanimous consent to enter into the record of this committee, content from, files from and copies from the Hunter Biden laptop,” Gaetz said.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
What I don't get is, if he really had to contents of the laptop in his hand, wouldn't it have been best to just examine the contents? He's already broken the law in possessing illegal contents so why not take it a step further?
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@Bones
What I don't get is, if he really had to contents of the laptop in his hand, wouldn't it have been best to just examine the contents? He's already broken the law in possessing illegal contents so why not take it a step further?
Why is it illegal to possess those contents?
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@ILikePie5
If the contents are the property of an individual and have been seized by the FBI for further investigation, I don't think the public, at that point, has the right to access the information?
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@ILikePie5
@Bones
I have the same question as pie, and why do you think Gaetz doesn't know what's on there? The question is why nobody has published it yet. The only reason I can think of is that an unredacted hard-drive dump includes matters of national security or there is media that is illegal to possess (child porn).
There have been claims that the emails alone were available on the web but I haven't seen a link. Just people talking about it and expired links and such:
They also claim:
He [Bannon associate] has removed the porn and kiddie pics so there’s no danger of downloading anything questionable.
Now it's possible that everyone who has gotten the files has either decided to not share them or they are really bad at using the many clandestine anonymous tools for sharing files.
It's also possible this is fake news, i.e. only the NY post, FBI, and now NY times and Gaetz have actually looked at the contents. All these other people claiming to have it were just cashing in for clicks like those treacherous fools Sydney Powell and Lin Wood. You can count on the QAnon crowd to assume child porn is on every democrat's laptop. They have a similar cognitive malfunction to Incel-chud.
Of course I'm going to have to eat my words if there is actually child porn on Hunter's laptop, but there is no way two newspapers could keep that to themselves for more than 20 seconds.
So my money is on some national security law potentially being used against anyone who releases the whole thing to the public because Hunter was talking to agents of the federal government to arrange the favors and route the money.
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@Bones
If the contents are the property of an individual and have been seized by the FBI for further investigation, I don't think the public, at that point, has the right to access the information?
I think you’re mistaken about the timeline of these events.
Hunter Biden, or an associate of his, dropped off the laptop and hard drive with it’s contents at a repair shop (the MacBook Pro had water damage). The repair shop guy fixed it and called the dude repeatedly to no avail. He wasn’t paid either. Then he saw the contents. He informed the FBI of the laptop because of its contents. Before he gave it to the FBI, he made copies of the contents and gave em to Rudy Giuliani and Steve Bannon.
The dude wasn’t paid for his work and the laptop wasn’t retrieved after multiple attempts to gain contact. The shop owner had a right to the contents because it was abandoned property. He did his part by alerting the FBI, and because the laptop would technically be his, he made copies and gave them to people, which is well within his right.
The problem is that 50 intelligence officials were quick to claim it as Russian disinformation. And ofc the media parroted this talking point. Essentially they were lying to our faces.
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@Bones
Aliens are renowned for their grilling, their inability to hold their alcohol, and a penchant for young females.
And if he is fully human he sure is an odd looking guy.
His wife is slightly more humanesque, though also has a curious upper mandible and tooth configuration.
Of course, he is half Quertermous.....An alien name if ever I heard one......Which sort of sprung into existence in the mid 1800's.
And Victoria has the same curious features as Ginger.
Don is reasonably humanesque in appearance?
So could be a selective breeding programme.
What do you think?
And then there is Nicole.....A shady character if ever there was one......I've got her face on a t-shirt I purchased in Roswell.
Defo something going on.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
-->@oromagiThe three water-damaged unclaimed laptops that a Delaware Mac repair shop (illegally) turned over to Giuliani in October 2020 who then turned these over to the FBI office in Baltimore?That one, it's the one that has now been triple confirmed (by two media orgs and people at the DOJ)
Let's get all three of those citations, please.
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@oromagi
-->@oromagiThe three water-damaged unclaimed laptops that a Delaware Mac repair shop (illegally) turned over to Giuliani in October 2020 who then turned these over to the FBI office in Baltimore?That one, it's the one that has now been triple confirmed (by two media orgs and people at the DOJ)Let's get all three of those citations, please.
First Media Organization: https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/
DOJ: A good summary with lots of citations, links, and screenshots (amazing concept): https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-doj-fbi-confirm-hunter-biden-laptop-is-not-part-of-russian-disinformation-campaign, Note that the next link also confirms DOJ activity via subpoena.
Second Media Organization: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html - "The email and others in the cache were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation."
More stuff I found while searching for the citations:
Images of receipts in the repair shop billed to "Hunter Biden": www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-emails-documents-alleged-signature-fbi-paperwork
I don't trust snopes at all, but you might https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hunter-biden-laptop-could-be-his/, also I remember this interview. Classic non-committal language so you don't get caught in a lie but can still mitigate.
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@Bones
If Gaetz does have the laptop, where did he get it from? The chain of custody for this laptop is all over the place bringing into question anything found on it.
Besides, I would really like to know about the sex trafficking charges against Gaetz. That seem less difficult to decipher since he has admitted to actions that could be classified as such. No chain of custody issues there...
What's the situation with the Hunter Biden's Laptop? It is lost and never to be seen and nothing will ever come of it. Nothing to see here move along. You know like Hillary's fake ass Russian collusion BS. On a positive note for Hillary, the FEC gave her a way to launder $113,000.
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@SkepticalOne
Tell me you didn't read the threat without telling me you didn't read the thread...
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@SkepticalOne
Gaetz...Oddball for sure.
Defo has a prosthetic head.
Not sure where his brain is.
Perhaps suspended between his legs.....(Just a hunch).
It would definitely have used a type of advanced teleportation system to acquire the laptop and the girls.
Known as the QB.....The Quertermous Beamatron.
Is sex beaming a federal offence?......Loophole perhaps.
People who I will definitely call out if they ever say something like "that's whataboutism":
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@ADreamOfLiberty
First Media Organization: https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/
- This is not a credible news story. Bruce Golding, the reporter who wrote the story, interviewed Giuliani and Mac, etc. refused to allow his name on the byline saying that the story was insufficiently verified.
- As the Washington Examiner reported:
According to the New York Times, the story was largely written by Bruce Golding, who has worked for the New York Post since 2007. Two reporters who spoke to the New York Times said Golding was concerned about the article's credibility.
In a report that was published shortly afterward on Sunday, New York Magazine also described skepticism among New York Post staff. One reporter told the outlet, "I think it was very flimsy." Another told the outlet that the New York Post failed to meet "journalistic standards," adding that it "should not have been published."
The two New York Post staff whose names do appear in the byline are Emma-Jo Morris and Gabrielle Fonrouge. Morris, a deputy politics editor, had no previous bylines with the New York Post before the outlet published the series of Biden stories.
According to the New York Times, Fonrouge was not aware that her byline was on the story until after it was published.
The New York Post named two sources in its reporting, former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon and Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani. According to the New York Times, Giuliani gave the New York Post the trove of emails because "either nobody else would take it, or if they took it, they would spend all the time they could to try to contradict it before they put it out."
- That is, Giuliani took it to the WSJ first, who said Guiliani's story was not credible, then to FOX News, who said he was not credible, and finally to the NY Post, who has not given one shit about credibility since the 1970's, and even then had to bring in two ringers to byline the story.
- One ringer wasn't notified that she wrote this story until after the Post published = crazy bullshit.
- The other was a close enough friend of Bannon to post pictures of them together on her twitter page before she suddenly became a NY Post reporter for this story where Bannon is one of two named sources. Morris failed to declare her prior friendship with Bannon and is now Bannon's employee at Breitbart.
- I note that Golding has bylined some stories since working to authenticate some emails but apparently still does not stand by Mac/Giuliani's accounts of how the laptop was discovered. If the reporter who did the reporting won't stand by the story than you may not cite that report as "confirmation."
Second Media Organization: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html - "The email and others in the cache were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation."
- I don't think anybody ever doubted that at least some emails were authentic. This article says nothing about authenticating Giuliani's whacko story about how he came to be in possession of Biden's hard drive.
- The Washington Post's investigation offers greater detail than the Times:
- The Post's experts were able to authenticate 22,000 emails (about 17% of all mails on the drive).
- "The ability to verify [the drive], was undermined by the fact the hard drive had been handled over the years in a manner that damaged some key files, making them unusable for the purposes of forensic examination. As Williams noted in his technical report, “several key pieces of evidence useful in discovering tampering were not available.”
- Both researchers, who worked independently of each other, determined that the data contained on the drive was so compromised by a variety of factors that definitive conclusions about most of its contents were impossible.
- It is quite false to say that NY TImes has authenticated the laptop(s) or Giuliani's absurd story about them. It is true that some e-mails have been verified. If any of those e-mails indicated any criminal activity, I am sure we would have heard about it.
DOJ: A good summary with lots of citations, links, and screenshots (amazing concept): https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-doj-fbi-confirm-hunter-biden-laptop-is-not-part-of-russian-disinformation-campaign, Note that the next link also confirms DOJ activity via subpoena.
- Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. We can agree that no US intelligence agency has positively asserted that the laptop is part of a Russian disinformation campaign (although the fact that Giuliani was meeting with known Russian intelligence assets in Ukraine in the months before launching his October surprise is certainly suggestive). That does little to authenticate Giuliani's story.
Images of receipts in the repair shop billed to "Hunter Biden": www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-emails-documents-alleged-signature-fbi-paperwork
- Here's Biden's signiture on his driver's liscence:
- Here's FOX News' alleged signature
- I'd call that a "no match."
I don't trust snopes at all, but you might https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hunter-biden-laptop-could-be-his/, also I remember this interview. Classic non-committal language so you don't get caught in a lie but can still mitigate.
- I agree that Biden is cagey here- clearly he did lose possession of at least one laptop at one point- not surprising for a career drug addict.
- The one point that Biden clearly denies is the one detail your are trying to prove- that the Giuliani hard drive was one of three laptops dropped off by Biden. You say" it's the one that has now been triple confirmed (by two media orgs and people at the DOJ)" but that statement is entirely false. Not one source has verified the authenticity of the laptop. At least 17% of the emails appear to have genuinely come from Biden's own mail accounts but those have been copied and re-copied so many times that authentication is difficult- and the fact of many copies strongly suggest that Giuliani's hard drive is not the original.
- Your statement that Giuliani's copy of the alleged Biden laptop has been "triple confirmed" is not true.
- The GOP has pulled a bait and switch job on you, treating authentication of some emails (which was never really questioned) as if that verified the laptop's provenance, which is simply not so.
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@oromagi
This is not a credible new story.
Nobody said it was new, in fact its age is of great contextual importance. As far as your opinion on credibility, I don't really care. If we can't trust politically opposed media and government agreeing we can't trust anything. I don't trust anything 100% but I won't entertain an uneven playing field for assertions.
As to that big thing about WSJ said X, Fox said Y, bla bla bla.... all claims by other media organizations... what if I say they aren't credible? Yea see how that works. We also know that media orgs do not care about credibility because they ran the Prussia collusion hoax for years and at the end threw their hands up saying "how were we to know, democrats were taking it seriously".
They don't fully verify anything, not anymore.
If any of those e-mails indicated any criminal activity, I am sure we would have heard about it.
Then not only are you unaware of how to determine burden of proof, but you're incredibly naive. You don't hear what they don't want you to hear, that's why you are still trying to discredit the NYP after the FBI has acquired the laptop for a criminal investigation. Why is it that you aren't "sure you would have heard about it" if the FBI had failed to authenticate the laptop.
I'm sure we would have heard about it because I'm sure the FBI would do everything possible to help the democratic party agenda because they helped frame Trump and his associates and don't seem the least worried about it.
DOJ: A good summary with lots of citations, links, and screenshots (amazing concept): https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-doj-fbi-confirm-hunter-biden-laptop-is-not-part-of-russian-disinformation-campaign, Note that the next link also confirms DOJ activity via subpoena.
- Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. We can agree that no US intelligence agency has positively asserted that the laptop is part of a Russian disinformation campaign (although the fact that Giuliani was meeting with known Russian intelligence assets in Ukraine in the months before launching his October surprise is certainly suggestive). That does little to authenticate Giuliani's story
You're lack of knowledge on epistemology is slowing you down again here. Absence of evidence can certainly be evidence of absence provided the nature of the existent in question is known and would surely produce certain evidence under the observed conditions.
If you see a fluid on the floor (in oxygen atmosphere) and you drop a match on it, and it doesn't burn; that is absence of evidence (no flame) and that rules out all sorts of possibilities. It is not gasoline for instance.
If you knew beforehand that the liquid is either water or gasoline you have proven it is water.
If Sasquatch is a supernatural spirit of the woods the absence of bodies means nothing. If Sasquatch is a hominid ape absence of bodies is a strong argument for absence of Sasquatch.
The absence of evidence for a god is not proof that no god exists, but the absence of speech from a specific god whose purported nature implies that he has lots of things to tell you is evidence of the absence of such a god.
If you take as a given that there is a laptop which appears to have Hunter's stuff on it, and you can compile a finite list of plausible explanation for its existence then eliminating every possibility except one is a strong argument in favor of the one.
In this case either it is real or a forgery. The Russians aren't the only ones that could have forged it, but they are the ones who were blamed by a desperate attempt to coverup. If it was impossible to verify it then it would be useless to the FBI, and that we would have heard about.
I'd call that a "no match."
If only the 2020 election was carried out with such attention to detail. I'd say the scribbles on the mac shop wouldn't match anything legible as far as the layman is concerned. It does say "Hunter Biden" on it, which means at the very least someone created a forgery with the Mac shop's logo.
This is of course glossing over the fact that what you're doing right now is special pleading. No story or claim could survive such skepticism for people searching the internet. I've had disagreements with people who will just claim videos are deepfaked when they don't like what they show.
Well fine, I can't prove it's not deepfaked but I really doubt (and in most cases I knew) that these people don't apply the same evidentiary standards in all cases.
Not one source has verified that authenticity of the laptop. At least 17% of the emails appear to have genuinely come from Biden's own mail accounts but those have been copied and re-copied so many times that authentication is difficult- and the fact of many copies strongly suggest that Giuliani's hard drive is not the original.
What's the alternative hypothesis? If the emails are verified where did they come from? Email servers hacked (not actually that easy to do), but in that case they are still real. Which means that someone hacked Hunter's emails, forged records of them into a laptop, and gave the laptop to Giuliani.
For what purpose? To associate additional files that they placed on the laptop with Hunter?
Do you realize this excuse could be used for any hard drive evidence that wasn't ripped directly out of someone's hand? Simply admit to what can be independently verified and deny the rest.
Your statement that Giuliani's copy of the alleged Biden laptop has been "triple confirmed" is not true.
It is as true as it gets as far as digital information goes. You confirm that data is from a certain person by identifying information in the data that only that person would possess. There is no evidence that videos of Hunter Biden himself having sex-drug crazes before the story broke. Those videos could only have come from Hunter. A forgery is possible, but not a complete forgery.
The simplest explanation, the least "conspiratorial" is that the confirmed emails and confirmed videos came from Hunter's laptop and that his laptop was left at a Mac repair shop.
This isn't the sole piece of evidence of the conspiracy either. Joe's statements about what he did, Biden's unusual positions, meetings, the testimony of Bobulinski and Shokin.
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@ILikePie5
@Bones
->@ILikePie5If the contents are the property of an individual and have been seized by the FBI for further investigation, I don't think the public, at that point, has the right to access the information?
That's right and I don't think the Trumpists realize how this question debunks their allegation. IF Giuliani, Bannon, or Gaetz were actually in possession of a copy of Biden's hard drive because some Mac tech in Dover copied it for them, that would constitute a substantial felony that the FBI would not ignore, never mind the laptop's contents. IF they were in possession of that stolen private data while working on the Trump- that's breaking in and stealing campaign dirt from the Democrats during a Presidential Election- that is classic Watergate and the FBI would not ignore.
However, if Giuliani, Bannon, and Gaetz were not in possession of an actual copy of Biden hard drive, the FBI would not be obligated to press charges and would not be permitted to contradict those jokers' many knowingly false claims. Even brought before Congress an FBI officer would be obligated to say he does not know and cannot say (and Gaetz, of course, is well aware of those restrictions.
The FBIs actions to this point strongly suggest that the FBI doesn't believe that Giuliani, Bannon, or Gaetz are in actual possession of stolen data and so Giuliani, Bannon, and Gaetz's claims are likely bullshit.
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@oromagi
That's right and I don't think the Trumpists realize how this question debunks their allegation. IF Giuliani, Bannon, or Gaetz were actually in possession of a copy of Biden's hard drive because some Mac tech in Dover copied it for them, that would constitute a substantial felony that the FBI would not ignore, never mind the laptop's contents.
That is false and I would like a citation of a federal statute that shows it’s a felony to do that. The laptop was rightfully his. He can copy and give the contents to whoever he wants.
All of this doesn’t matter since it’s obviously Russian disinformation and the intelligence community could never lie to us