MMA Mafia Endgame

Author: Lunatic

Posts

Total: 63
Lunatic
Lunatic's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 8,918
3
3
6
Lunatic's avatar
Lunatic
3
3
6
Mafia win! Mafia were whiteflame and Mharman.

Theme split was "Fundamental MMA skills vs extraneous ones" Basically Jui-jitsu and boxing, If you don't know at least the basics of those two skills you are at a disadvantage in an MMA fight.


One of Mharmans JOAT ability is a vote remover which was used on earth. The numbers would have been 3-1 meaning town would need 3 votes to secure a lynch but would only have 2 with that2 and RM. 

This is gonna be a tough one for town to swallow since they got it right in the last day phase, however it was a very swingy game. The vigilante if mis used basically takes away a mislynch as it did here, and the justice being outted so early as well hurt the town.

Town had a vig and a Justice so I wouldn't say mafia was OP, but I will agree this was a swingy game. GG to everyone who was involved. Good job to RM for getting it right in the end. Sounds like pie was on the right track as well, and correctly guessed the scum before I even told him who they were. 
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
I was right about many things, including an unfair lylo instead of mylo.
ILikePie5
ILikePie5's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 15,114
3
7
10
ILikePie5's avatar
ILikePie5
3
7
10
The only reason I shot Wylted was so RM wouldn’t tunnel him all next DP. 

Objectively I think it was a good shot because it ultimately led RM to see WF and Mharman as the scum team.

My second shot was gonna be Whiteflame, and third Mharman.

Without it, my death would’ve lead to a Wylted lynch if WF was also town, and the game would’ve ended.
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
I investigated that2 with supadudz btw.
ILikePie5
ILikePie5's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 15,114
3
7
10
ILikePie5's avatar
ILikePie5
3
7
10
-->
@Earth
@That2User
You all really stepped up this game, even though we lost. Kudos to y’all 
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
-->
@ILikePie5
Yeah you played well, idk why his PM implied he had given me the split, I can show you the verbatim wording now if he lets me.
whiteflame
whiteflame's avatar
Debates: 27
Posts: 4,786
4
6
10
whiteflame's avatar
whiteflame
4
6
10
Gg guys. Definitely had me figured out, so good on RM in particular for that one, even if I’ve got issues with the way he went about it. Also, good Supa, That2 and Earth for keeping their focus. Didn’t make it easy.

For those who are wondering why we tried so hard to keep me alive, it was because we weren’t sure if there was a second town RB or some other role that could either prevent the NK or stop the vote block. Ended up not having to worry.
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
-->
@ILikePie5
Earth didnt really step up.

That2 did.
ILikePie5
ILikePie5's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 15,114
3
7
10
ILikePie5's avatar
ILikePie5
3
7
10
-->
@RationalMadman
Yeah you played well, idk why his PM ikplied he had given me the split, I can show you the verbatim wording mow if he lets me.
He posted roles, so I can see it. 

Your assumption was far from reality, and I even told you this in the DP. But as a team player I was forced to shoot Wylted even though I didn’t want you, because I trusted your role 
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
-->
@Lunatic
That is a ridiculous themesplit. Also an odd fakeclaim timing from Mharman.
ILikePie5
ILikePie5's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 15,114
3
7
10
ILikePie5's avatar
ILikePie5
3
7
10
-->
@RationalMadman
Earth didnt really step up.

That2 did.
They weren’t swayed by Mharman and WF, who are great orators. That’s a noteworthy accomplishment in my books
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
-->
@ILikePie5
Alternatively they were swayed by my fabulous oration.
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
To call wrestling less fundamental than BJJ is ridiculous...
Lunatic
Lunatic's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 8,918
3
3
6
Lunatic's avatar
Lunatic
3
3
6
-->
@RationalMadman
That is a ridiculous themesplit. Also an odd fakeclaim timing from Mharman


I think that's an odd opinion but okay.
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
Aikido and wrestling are the most fundamental ones.
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
-->
@Lunatic
There are God tier MMA fighters who dont box much at all
Lunatic
Lunatic's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 8,918
3
3
6
Lunatic's avatar
Lunatic
3
3
6
-->
@RationalMadman
Bjj is basically wrestling but with submissions. It's not as core of a fundamental because you can get up being pinned but a submission can literally stop the fight...
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
Also wylted virtually GTd by gping with the krav maga claim after asked by CN and me. If krav maga was town and ccd him, we'd all be blaming him instead of me.
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
If you take a kung fu, muay thai, wrestling, karate, boxing, BJJ, and aikido expert and quizzed them on fubdamentals of martial arts.

Boxing would score least. Muay thai and kung fu would tie for highest with karate close behind. BJJ, aikido and wrestling would sit around the middle.

If I am the hot take, prove it to me.
ILikePie5
ILikePie5's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 15,114
3
7
10
ILikePie5's avatar
ILikePie5
3
7
10
-->
@RationalMadman
Also wylted virtually GTd by gping with the krav maga claim after asked by CN and me. If krav maga was town and ccd him, we'd all be blaming him instead of me.
You know Wylted is a troll lol
Mharman
Mharman's avatar
Debates: 23
Posts: 5,218
3
6
10
Mharman's avatar
Mharman
3
6
10
We almost just double hammered Whiteflame once he had RM and That2 on him. It would have been a funny way to win the game, but we had concerns about Supa being a roleblocker instead of vanilla, so we just continued the VTNL push in hopes Supa had smaller odds of roleblocking me.
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
-->
@Mharman
He was not active to have acted as town PR for NP1
ILikePie5
ILikePie5's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 15,114
3
7
10
ILikePie5's avatar
ILikePie5
3
7
10
-->
@Mharman
I would’ve insta lynched WF after that Cop claim. Justice is notoriously OP and RM claimed it instantly. WF didn’t CC Investigative role earlier either.

It was a pretty straightforward lynch imo 
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
Also doesnt Lunatic normally tell MVP and LVP etc?

Or is he too hurt to call me mvp.

I am proud of myself. This was hardcarrying even if I walked in all confused.
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
To give them the knowledge that they could claim cop is bastard modding when you insist they had no fakeclaim info
Had I not claimed first, I easily lose the cc
Lunatic
Lunatic's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 8,918
3
3
6
Lunatic's avatar
Lunatic
3
3
6
-->
@RationalMadman
Literally every mma fighter knows you have to have boxing knowledge. If you don't know your basic combos and blocks you get blistered in a fight.
Lunatic
Lunatic's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 8,918
3
3
6
Lunatic's avatar
Lunatic
3
3
6
-->
@RationalMadman
No I don't usually do Mvps. And I did say you caught on at the end. But your theme analysis was horrible and shouldn't have been relied on as much as you did. That said you did well other than that.

Lunatic
Lunatic's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 8,918
3
3
6
Lunatic's avatar
Lunatic
3
3
6
-->
@RationalMadman
Is it bastard modding when that was the exact thing you caught them on? I knew if they claimed cop they would be screwed. It's not really a fake claim. Hell I'm surprised they claimed it knowing you were justice
Lunatic
Lunatic's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 8,918
3
3
6
Lunatic's avatar
Lunatic
3
3
6
Yeah RM get rid of the salt bro. It's unbecoming lol. 
RationalMadman
RationalMadman's avatar
Debates: 574
Posts: 19,931
10
11
11
RationalMadman's avatar
RationalMadman
10
11
11
-->
@Lunatic
BJJ is irrefutably a less fundamental more extravagant evolved version of wrestling.

It is not about the loss, you really bastard modded in many ways.