FDA loses legal bid to suppress Vaccine data for 75 years.

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So the FDA which the government used as a basis to lock people away and deprive of liberty to supposedly save life and to mandate the injection of questionable chemicals and mutilation of human bodies has been actively trying to suppress the truth.

And this is why people don't trust the government.
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The guy in the video is claiming that anti covid vax people are being censored (when they aren't).

The vaccines are safe and they prevent the spread of covid.  Don't even call it the vaccine.

Call it the "freedom shot".
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That's a much more convoluted defense for squelching vaccine efficacy data for 75 years than I could fabricate alone.
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So the FDA which the government used as a basis to lock people away and deprive of liberty to supposedly save life and to mandate the injection of questionable chemicals and mutilation of human bodies has been actively trying to suppress the truth.
  • Which people have been "locked away and deprived of liberty" by the FDA and under what authority?  Which prisons?
  • Mutilation is the "destruction of body parts"  What body parts are being destroyed by what injections?
  • What truth has the FDA been suppressing?  
    • The Trump appointed judge didn't find any fault or "suppression" from the FDA.  In fact, that judge acknowledged that his request placed an undue burden on a department who's funding was cut by the Trump administration.  The FDA simply, honestly, and correctly reported that it would take 75 years to process that particular FOIA request at present staffing levels and  current output rates ( 8 minutes/page)  with 400 earlier FOIA requests in queue ahead of this request.  The judge ruled that this particular report should be prioritized at the expense of copyright and corporate espionage protections so the reports will just be Xeroxed at 55,000 pages/30 days and if the Chinese steal America's patented mRNA secrets, so be it.
  • So, as usual, GPs habit of believing what he's told without question has led him to spread a lot of conspiracy-themed disinformation without any evidence of verification or critical thought.

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it would take 75 years to process that particular FOIA request at present staffing levels and  current output rates
So an FDA that is supposedly staffed enough to justify draconian mandates isn't staffed enough to publicly release documents? I call bullshit.
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The FDA simply, honestly, and correctly reported that it would take 75 years to process that particular FOIA request at present staffing levels and  current output rates ( 8 minutes/page)  
Why not just process it upon request and immediately copy and paste the text and email it out. Why would that take more than 30 seconds to send out a PDF? 


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The judge ruled that this particular report should be prioritized at the expense of copyright and corporate espionage protections so the reports will just be Xeroxed at 55,000 pages/30 days and if the Chinese steal America's patented mRNA secrets, so be it
I am having hard time figuring out if you are insinuating that openly sharing science so humanity can advance faster is a good or bad thing, particularly when it comes to vaccines which have zero national security impacts. 
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That's not even the worst of it. If the FDA can't review all the documents in under 75 years, why the fuck are we trusting them to make policy decisions on information they admit they don't have the staff to review?

FDA says the vaccines are safe...but they admit they won't know for sure until 75 years from now due to staffing shortages???

That means nobody in the FDA has read most of the research to date. Only 2 years of a projected 75 years to examine the data.
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I'd say they definitely shouldn't be trusted. For one thing there is some unnecessary red tape which slows down life saving research from reaching dying patients. We also have the fact that their red tape means it costs companies billions to bring a product to market. That cost means a monopoly of companies who can easily work together, are in charge of making effective medicine, with no incentive to truly create a revolutionary method, due to likely secret clause not to do that, such as how the cable companies used the government to create monopolies in different regions. 

We also have the revolving door between government FDA employees and companies rewarding ones who were soft on them by giving them jobs, when their tenure is up at the FDA. 

TLDR 

This creates

1. Low competitions because the price to bring a drug to market is billions. This is why corporations paid politicians to put the FDA in place. To increase market share

2. Incentives for corruption based on the revolving door between FdA and drug company employees. 

3. Slow processes that keep drugs from getting to market fast enough 

This is simple to solve. You do it through the following.

1.  Cut all unnecessary red tape and keep necessary redtape. Making it so life saving drugs can make it to market faster, and so it is cheaper to bring drugs to market, allowing more companies to attempt to do so, and advancing medicine at a faster exponential rate.

2. Stop the revolving door by making the FDA unable to hire anyone who has ever worked at a drug company


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Cut all unnecessary red tape and keep necessary redtape. Making it so life saving drugs can make it to market faster, and so it is cheaper to bring drugs to market, allowing more companies to attempt to do so, and advancing medicine at a faster exponential rate.

That should only happen with a concurrent removal of all litigation protections currently enjoyed for having FDA approval.
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  • Which people have been "locked away and deprived of liberty" by the FDA and under what authority?  Which prisons?
  • Mutilation is the "destruction of body parts"  What body parts are being destroyed by what injections?
  • What truth has the FDA been suppressing?  

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The FDA simply, honestly, and correctly reported that it would take 75 years to process that particular FOIA request at present staffing levels and  current output rates ( 8 minutes/page)  
Why not just process it upon request and immediately copy and paste the text and email it out. Why would that take more than 30 seconds to send out a PDF? 

Because none of these documents are digitalized.   Anything worth digitalizing was sent to PHMPT last autumn.   This is just patient diaries, surveys, logs, etc- paperwork legally required to be retained but not deemed important enough to scan, store, backup, etc.
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The guy in the video is claiming that anti covid vax people are being censored (when they aren't).
yes, yes they are
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Why not just process it upon request and immediately copy and paste the text and email it out. Why would that take more than 30 seconds to send out a PDF? 
well stated.
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Russell Brand is basically the YouTube figure for the pseudo intellectual hippie left. The kind of people who are socially tolerant but painfully clueless when it comes to anything political or scientific, which is why they're easily fooled with antivax stuff.
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Yeah! damn those people that question your infallible FDA temples of worship.
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which is why they're easily fooled with antivax stuff.
being anti-mandate and pro-voluntary jab

is NOT "antivax"
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well said
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