POLL: Should Reporting Be Anonymous?

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I think we should tackle a single issue at a time.
It's funny how the more sensible option always sounds "too complicated".

And then people always wonder why they only have two bad choices.

PRO/CON vs. In favor of using anonymous codes as a proxy for usernames

Thanks for starting and managing the thread.  I'd rather vote for bad choices than not at all.
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Well, in this case it literally is a more complicated option. We're talking about a not insignificant coding change on the site versus just undoing something that was done. Even if we got approval for your idea, it'd have to go at the end of a long list of site change proposals.
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Sounds like even making reports anonymous again would require design changes to the mod interface. But I suppose reverting back to a previous build would be easier than making something new.

If Brutal's suggestion was possible I would of course be all for it, but it's hard to imagine that it could be implemented quickly or easily, and it would require extra work for Mike, who already has a heavy workload building the site.

You can check out my post above, where I explain it.

As an addition to that, consider that the vote reporting shouldn't have had an adverse affect on the public community. But it did, because a large number of votes were deleted as a response. But let me ask you this:

If the votes were legitimately bad votes, should their removal bother the community?
If the votes weren't legitimately bad votes, their removal should bother the community, but the ire should be directed at the standard that judged them inappropriate.
It's understandable that people blame trouble on the troublemaker. But the practical demonstration it made of the system's weaknesses cannot be denied. Nor can the strengthened improvements that resulted from it. However I question that this was the best or only way to go about effecting those improvements. Did you try reaching out to the mods first?

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The argument is simple:

1. Knowing the identity of a reporter is immaterial to the substance of the report. The reported comment, vote, thread, etc. is a violation or it is not. The status of that violation does not change if it was reported by Bob vs. Alice.
2. Knowing the identity of a report can only possibly introduce bias in how mods respond to reports. Mods should be objective.
3. There is no problem that requires knowing the identity of a reporter. 

I disagree. Knowing the identity of a reporter is useful in weeding out spam reports, granting mods further ability to focus on stuff that actually matters. If a mod has a vendetta against X user, that user can bring it to the attention of the community as we've seen with the issues that have raised in the past several weeks and get it resolved out in the open.

As such, my vote is no.
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As long as the community has the power to keep mods in check, I'm fine with it.
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@Logical-Master
Good vote.

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Reporting should be anonymous.
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vote yes. 
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As long as the community has the power to keep mods in check, I'm fine with it.
What community powers do you observe this community as having, pertinent to the checks and balances you suggest for mods? 
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I disagree. Knowing the identity of a reporter is useful in weeding out spam reports, granting mods further ability to focus on stuff that actually matters. If a mod has a vendetta against X user, that user can bring it to the attention of the community as we've seen with the issues that have raised in the past several weeks and get it resolved out in the open.

As such, my vote is no.
That's actually a really good thought... i revert back to no. Lol
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Reasoning?
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@drafterman
Scratch that... i'm undecided until i see the answer to this from smithereens: 

What community powers do you observe this community as having, pertinent to the checks and balances you suggest for mods? 
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Anonymous, obviously. Why isn't it already?
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Because no site is supposed to have anonymous reporting. Shall I explain why?
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Thank you!

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@RationalMadman
All the cool people are voting for anonymity. Plus, the arguments against it are pretty retarded giving the report limitations and the coming updates which will require a reason.
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@drafterman
I vote yes, voting should be anonymous.
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I vote yes, voting should be anonymous.
The question isn't about voting. The question is about reporting.

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It was said to be anonymous not too long ago, but apparently that changed
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Dude, I have having some beers on a drive by. 

-adjusts his spectacles-

Okay, unchanged, the reporting should be anon, to, but verified by a secondary party.
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Lol. Okie dokie :)
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I don't get it? That's not really a vote for anon...
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Okay, being blunt, I am replying to that little blue dot.  Right now, I either need an ELI5, or I need to get back to this when Kona stops making some fantastic IPAs.  

Which would you prefer.


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Perhaps anyone who has more than 50 percent of their posts in the religion forum not get a vote. 
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Everyone should receive a vote, IMHO.
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That would help the 'for anonymity' side. I don't get why mods can't vote here. 
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Not when they don't mean it or are sincere. I stand by my comment. 
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@Logical-Master
The argument is simple:

1. Knowing the identity of a reporter is immaterial to the substance of the report. The reported comment, vote, thread, etc. is a violation or it is not. The status of that violation does not change if it was reported by Bob vs. Alice.
2. Knowing the identity of a report can only possibly introduce bias in how mods respond to reports. Mods should be objective.
3. There is no problem that requires knowing the identity of a reporter. 

I disagree. Knowing the identity of a reporter is useful in weeding out spam reports, granting mods further ability to focus on stuff that actually matters. If a mod has a vendetta against X user, that user can bring it to the attention of the community as we've seen with the issues that have raised in the past several weeks and get it resolved out in the open.

As such, my vote is no.
You may want to browse through the thread. He's explained why he thinks spam reports won't be a significant problem. I think this megapost addresses it all.
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@Castin
Avoiding problems is not the aim of the optimal-system-seeker, rather it's a bare minimum.

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@Castin
Spam reports are not necessarily characterized by over-reporting. That is one way to spam report, but some reporters are likely to report votes for, as far as I can tell, no substantive reason--particularly when the reports are on votes which are *clearly* sufficient.