To Be-know Or Not To Be-lieve?

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I have to wonder why the adults (atheists)  insist on playing with what they view as children  (theists) it's kind of creepy. 
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@Poly


Nice Jibe Poly.

Sort of Ethang5ish.

But less acerbic.


And like a lot of your fellow theists.

Would you not say, that we are all the children of GODS?
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The Witch wrote: I have to wonder why the adults (atheists)  insist on playing with what they view as children  (theists) it's kind of creepy. 


zedvictor4 wrote: @Poly


Nice Jibe Poly.

Sort of Ethang5ish.


Indeed, Vic. Its right up there with the vile sex pest ethang5 and the Reverend Tradesecret when the latter states:


Tradesecret wrote: Most atheists I know are impractical and airhead.  Many end up in prison, for theft and sex related crimes, mostly kiddie crime. Many commit suicide and or are on drugs and alcohol. Not too many get married, or if they do - are on to their 4 or 4th marriage. Many are gay or lesbian. #33
And same will have us all believe that he is full of integrity and having strong moral principles.

No doubt one or another will  make claims of victimhood and harassment.

Ethang5 would always result to slurs and accusations of  Paedophilia when  he ran out of argument.

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For sure.

And Tradeysecret there, seems to be describing the attributes of the Roman Catholic Church.

And certainly some of the preferable  entry requirements of the modern C of E.

Theists are certainly crazy mixed up folk.

Wouldn't be so bad if they all sang from the same hymn sheet, as it were.


And then there is Poly.

Crazy as ever, and more mixed up than most.

But lovable with it.

I wonder what the Little Poly's are like?
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A+1


I wonder what the Little Poly's are like?

😁


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@RationalMadman,
I am not hardcore in my practise of Taoism, Taoism cannot be hardcore due to its very belief im balance.
- That's the practitioner's prerogative. Given circumstances, people tend to extremes. 


I am also a believer in my own religion that just happened to have a lot in common with Taoism.
- What's your religion? I was sure you were taoist the moment I noticed you shitting on Buddhism.


What is it that yoy want to know about Taoism woth regards to this thread?
- What exactly do you believe about Taoism? Are you into the celestial stuff & the Yin-Yang or just follow the Dao?


I am a pagan not just a taoist, I have my own conclusions.
- Specifically what?
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My religious view is atheism. Given that atheism is not a knowledge claim (at least not for me),
- It is, regardless of your wishes. The moment you have a view, you're in the provision of belief.


I know everything there is to know about it. 10/10
- For consistency sake that should be 0/10. Also, Atheism is an ideology in itself, a worldview. How deep is your knowledge of it?


How convinced am I that my religious position is correct: 9/10
- That's quite something, given Atheism is unattainable.

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I do not believe anything that cannot be unequivocally proven.
- You just negated yourself. You seem to believe that, yet it's not unequivocally proven.


Though, if something can be unequivocally proven, then belief is unnecessary.
- This literally contradicts the previous statement. 


So as far as I am concerned, any theist who says that they believe, is actually saying that they cannot unequivocally prove the basis of their belief.
- Another belief which isn't unequivocally proven. Damn bruh, pipe down on the contradictions.


Belief:
1. An acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.
- This contradicts your first statement. Also, belief is knowledge from judgment, regardless of the validity of such judgement. 


Synonyms.....guess . speculation . surmise . fancy . notion . suspicion . presumption . assumption . theory . hypothesis . postulation . inference . extrapolation . projection . approximation . rough calculation . rough idea . guesswork . guessing . surmising . imagining . theorizing.
- All the above are valid paths of knowledge. This probably sounded much better in your head. – Why don't you answer in simple honesty, instead of with these haughty claims.

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@3RU7AL
well stated
- So you're a fan of self-contradictions too?


religion is like training-wheels for self knowledge
- What's the point of analogy in this comparison?

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@Polytheist-Witch
I have to wonder why the adults (atheists)  insist on playing with what they view as children  (theists) it's kind of creepy. 
- It's generally the other way around. Atheists are usually child-minded "adults". Senseless, fussy, rebellious, emotional...

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They're very rarely little more than a schoolyard fucking bully that never got over themselves.
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@Yassine
All your responses above, except for the last one, are fallacious.

Because my arguments relating to belief, are sound and irrefutable.

You made no attempt to refute them.


As for "valid pathways of knowledge":

Well, that's just another more fanciful  way of saying we can acquire and utilise data.



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I wonder what the Little Poly's are like?

I cannot get the image of little Witchlets on broomsticks with stabilisers out of my mind, Vic lad.
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Why does God want Elon Musk to be the richest person in the World? Elon Musk said two things; He doesn't believe in God and the second thing is that we are living in a simulation.
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@Stephen
Sure hope Mum doesn't swear like that at home.

That's theism for you.
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@Yassine
My religious view is atheism. Given that atheism is not a knowledge claim (at least not for me),
- It is, regardless of your wishes. The moment you have a view, you're in the provision of belief.

Atheism is not a belief - it is the absence of a belief in gods in general.

I know everything there is to know about it. 10/10
- For consistency sake that should be 0/10.
Fair enough.

Also, Atheism is an ideology in itself, a worldview. How deep is your knowledge of it?
The absence of a belief does not a worldview make. 

How convinced am I that my religious position is correct: 9/10
- That's quite something, given Atheism is unattainable.

I would like to here your explanation. 

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You're interest  in my children is noted you f****** sick perverts.
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@Poly


Your extremely abusive attitude is also noted.


So, you have an atypical approach to theism and are surprised and annoyed when this is challenged within a discussion forum.

You also clearly have a  preconditioned negative response to the idea of atheism and those that question theism.


Considering such intolerance, it's no wonder that one might also consider how such conditioned negativity might manifest within your personal sphere of engagements.


Nonetheless, one apologizes for the somewhat jocular way of bringing such concerns into the forum.






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Richard Dawkins defended "mild pedophilia" in an interview this weekend. And while the quote itself is quite jarring, especially to those who look to Dawkins for his influential writings on atheism 
No wonder.
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@Poly

Not sure what paedophilia has to do with being an atheist.

In fact if anywhere, paedophilia is more associated with repressed theists, rather than open minded atheists.

And furthermore, such defamatory accusations need to be backed up with hard fact Poly, or one might find oneself with a hefty lawsuit pending.

So best not put any names to your salacious jibes and insinuations Poly.



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Go ahead and sue me. Pervert prick. 
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@SkepticalOne
Atheism is not a belief - it is the absence of a belief in gods in general.
- Theism is not a belief - it is the absence of a belief in the inexistence of God.


The absence of a belief does not a worldview make.
- You're a lot dumber than I thought you were. So disappointed.


I would like to here your explanation. 
- Hear*. Atheism entails an entire paradigm & worldview based not on the belief in God, which is unlike any belief system we've ever seen. A belief system truly devoid of any Morality, Rationality or Spirituality. 

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@zedvictor4
All your responses above, except for the last one, are fallacious.
- That's a very powerful refutation I almost fell off my chair. 


Because my arguments relating to belief, are sound and irrefutable.
You made no attempt to refute them.
- Already done. If you can't understand when you've been beat, I can't help you beyond that.


As for "valid pathways of knowledge":
Well, that's just another more fanciful  way of saying we can acquire and utilise data.
- For someone who seems to have a lot to say, why are you always running from debate? It can't be that you're afraid?
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@Yassine
Theism is not a belief - it is the absence of a belief in the inexistence of God.
Wordplay does not make your point. Theism is definitionally a belief. Atheism can be (and generally is) the absence of belief. 

Atheism entails an entire paradigm & worldview based not on the belief in God, which is unlike any belief system we've ever seen. A belief system truly devoid of any Morality, Rationality or Spirituality. 
Tell me you don't understand "atheism" without actually telling me? I think you nailed it! :-p
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Phhhh . I don't belive in this absence of belife thing.

I hate thinking about what a belife is. 
It's like " going with ya gut " 
I mean wtf

Is it like believing in the ( leaning tower of pisa ) ?
Or is that a given. 
Surely a belief in that differs from a belief the ummmmmm,  unanswerable.  

Wich brings us to.
A Uneducated guess.
A Educated guess.  
Be it correct or incorrect.  

Actually no. 

Man i don't know. 


PASS


Good game.
Good game.


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@Yassine
And atheism is not a belief system.

Atheists do not except the existence of a GOD or any GOD, that cannot be unequivocally be shown to exist.

Therefore the concept of belief is irrelevant to an Atheist.

Whereas brainwashed theists, have to rely upon belief, because they have nothing else, other than old stories written by their naive ancestors.
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@zedvictor4
And atheism is not a belief system.

Atheists do not except the existence of a GOD or any GOD, that cannot be unequivocally be shown to exist.

Therefore the concept of belief is irrelevant to an Atheist.

Whereas brainwashed theists, have to rely upon belief, because they have nothing else, other than old stories written by their naive ancestors.
- Buddy, you seem to believe you're actually saying sensible things when you're just rambling.  "brainwashed" "naive" doesn't save your nonsense, it just makes you look yourself brainwashed & naive.
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@SkepticalOne
Wordplay does not make my point. Atheism is definitionally a belief. Theism can be (and generally is) the absence of belief. 
- Indeed.


Tell me you don't understand "atheism" without actually telling me? I think you nailed it! :-p
- These powerful arguments need to be displayed in museums for all to admire. 
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@Yassine
It's all semantics at the end of the day buddy.

And you have a corrupted understanding of English semantics.

Along with a World View, corrupted by your conditioning.

Such is how society functions though.
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@Yassine
Wordplay does not make my point. Atheism is definitionally a belief. Theism can be (and generally is) the absence of belief. 
- Indeed.
Dishonesty. 

Tell me you don't understand "atheism" without actually telling me? I think you nailed it! :-p
- These powerful arguments need to be displayed in museums for all to admire. 
Well, I mean, it's not dishonesty...so there's that. 

I've explained why I think your position is in error and your response has been wordplay, dishonesty, and snark. (Not necessarily in that order). Do you have a rebuttal or have you given up on debate?