Besides here I go to two forums. One is closed and pagan in nature. The other specifically for witchcraft and certain sections are closed. All three forums have atheists who posted them. The pagan forum has Satanist who are as rude about religious beliefs as the atheists here. The witchcraft form has atheist but they just don't engage in the topics regarding deity because the board is very sectioned and there are sections regarding those topics and they just don't go in there. So basically the only space on the internet where I can go and discuss religion without atheist chiming in is the witchcraft board. I don't go to or I'm a member of a single message board, forum, I don't know what other type of boards there'd be or spaces where atheist specifically are set up to engage with one another. If this particular board set up a subform in religion that said atheism I wouldn't post in it. Yet every single religious forum I go to has them. I'm curious if any of the other theists that are here do go to those spaces and engage with atheists in their territory like they do here. Are there even spaces set up like that? I can't imagine there isn't a single forum on the internet set up specifically for atheists. I would like to add that at the pagan forum there are no Christians. There are a couple of Christians in the witchcraft forum. But since most of the post revolve around spell work you really don't know someone's a Christian if they don't come right out and say so, the witchcraft forum also has a section for Christians in the deity area. Most christian-oriented posts are kept there.
Theists: do you post an atheist spaces?
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@Polytheist-Witch
If an atheist showed up to Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Daniel Dennet (in their prime) for a debate, they'd get bodied so hard they wouldn't know what they'd walked into. You can hate the player but at least appreciate their skill at the game.
The reason why Theists stay away from science and atheistic/secular forums is that they get murked when they try to debate.
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@RationalMadman
I don't consider a science forum an atheist forum. Atheists don't own science. And the two forms that I mentioned are not debate forums.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I'm curious if any of the other theists that are here do go to those spaces and engage with atheists in their territory like they do here. Are there even spaces set up like that? I can't imagine there isn't a single forum on the internet set up specifically for atheists. I would like to add that at the pagan forum there are no Christians. There are a couple of Christians in the witchcraft forum. But since most of the post revolve around spell work you really don't know someone's a Christian if they don't come right out and say so, the witchcraft forum also has a section for Christians in the deity area. Most christian-oriented posts are kept there.
There are no "spaces" or "territories," here. There are only topics, and those who choose to participate in the discussion of them.
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@Athias
Question doesn't have anything to do with here it has to do with other forums please go back and reread the question if you don't understand it I'll try to explain it better. And don't think I forgot that you're one of the people that's all for shadow banning. So don't pretend you're all about everybody being able to post in a forum.
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@RationalMadman
If an atheist showed up to Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Daniel Dennet (in their prime) for a debate, they'd get bodied so hard they wouldn't know what they'd walked into. You can hate the player but at least appreciate their skill at the game.
Did you mean, "theists"? And Richard Dawkins and the late Christopher Hitchens are and were respectively, "cartoons." Though, one could say that pontification is an "art."
The reason why Theists stay away from science and atheistic/secular forums is that they get murked when they try to debate.
I suspect the reason some theists may avoid atheistic/secular forums is that they're prone to debate atheists on their terms--like engaging a fencer on a piste. However, turn that piste into an octagon, and one can easily dodge getting "murked."
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@Polytheist-Witch
Question doesn't have anything to do with here it has to do with other forums please go back and reread the question if you don't understand it I'll try to explain it better.
I'm curious if any of the other theists that are here do go to those spaces and engage with atheists in their territory LIKE THEY DO HERE.
Which part did I misread?
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@Athias
We already know atheists post here. The question was the theist do you post in sections of forms that would be considered atheist in nature. I don't care what your opinion is of here, I know how here works. Again you don't seem to understand the question.
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@Polytheist-Witch
We already know atheists post here.
And that makes this subforum an atheist "space" or "territory"?
The question was the theist do you post in sections of forms that would be considered atheist in nature.
"Atheist in nature"? There are no sections of the forum that are "atheist in nature."
I don't care what your opinion is of here
Tough. I'm going to give it to you, anyway.
I know how here works.
Then why are making mention of "spaces" and "territories"?
Again you don't seem to understand the question.
I understand the question quite well. I simply object to your qualifications of this forum as "territorial," a premise one would have to accept in order to entertain your question. And I gauge that this thread is nothing more than another expression of your intifada against the predominance of atheist posters in the Religion Forum. I'm a theist, and I engage the atheists here quite often on a variety of subjects. Never thought once that the Religion Forum was in fact an Atheist Forum.
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@Athias
At this point you're arguing just to argue because you don't like me. And that's fine but I'm not engaging with you anymore at this point on this particular topic you stated what you think I understand I'm done thanks.
@Polytheist-Witch:
At this point you're arguing just to argue because you don't like me.
I neither like nor dislike you; I don't know you well enough to feel any sort of way; but that's not relevant. I'm not arguing just to argue. I know what you're doing. You're seeking an echochamber of your own, which is counterproductive in a debate forum.
And that's fine but I'm not engaging with you anymore at this point on this particular topic you stated what you think I understand I'm done thanks.
It's your call; enjoy the rest of your day.
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@Athias
Cartoon is signing up to a tournament, being the one to suggest the topic, forfeiting before your opponent even uttered a word due to 'characer limitations' despite having 5k-7k more characters to type your argument out than the other debate pairs had (Wylted vs Benjamin only had 8 chars per Round, you had 15k) and thinking you have some fucking right to call intellectual debate masters like Hitchens and Dawkins 'cartoons'.
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@Athias
I suspect the reason some theists may avoid atheistic/secular forums is that they're prone to debate atheists on their terms--like engaging a fencer on a piste. However, turn that piste into an octagon, and one can easily dodge getting "murked."
Exactly. Atheists can fare well in both arenas, Theists only in the one where enough of the crowd cheer and support them (obviously not all, I even believe in a deity myself but I am talking about arguing for organised religion).
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@RationalMadman
Unless you're some super special theist you're more than likely tied to a religion. Atheist do not make personal jabs against people regarding their religion they make personal jobs against people for being theist. They had no point ever differentiate between people of different religions. They constantly refer to theist when making topics even if that topic is Christian or Muslim. A belief in God is a belief in God has nothing to do with religion to them. Still this has nothing to do with the topic at hand but thanks.
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@Polytheist-Witch
As a 'super special' Theist yourself, I'm not sure what your accusation is.
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@RationalMadman
I'm not a super special theist I am a practicing member of two f****** religions.
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@Polytheist-Witch
A belief in God is a belief in God has nothing to do with religion to them.
Well that's just sophistry then, it means when the atheist proves contradiction and implausibility in the god of their religion, they can say 'but I believe in a different god even though I say I support that religion'.
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@Polytheist-Witch
And those two religions don't contradict each other? Which ones?
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@Polytheist-Witch
I have posted in specifically atheist forums if I had a question about atheism. Occasionally I have seen threads in which there were mistakes about Judaism so I have (though rarely) posted corrections.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Atheist do not make personal jabs against people regarding their religion they make personal jobs against people for being theist.
They do both and also can be polite, not all atheists are the same nor at all Theists.
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@RationalMadman
Cartoon is signing up to a tournament, being the one to suggest the topic, forfeiting before your opponent even uttered a word despite having 5k-7k more characters to type your argument out than the other debate pairs had (Wylted vs Benjamin only had 8 chars per Round, you had 15k)
Irrelevant. (Not that you've gauged the situation correctly.)
and thinking you have some fucking right
I don't "think"; I know.
to call intellectual debate masters
Intellectual debate "masters"? Hardly.
like Hitchens and Dawkins 'cartoons'.
They were and are cartoons. I've seen them speak; I've read their materials; purely entertainment value.
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@RationalMadman
Exactly. Atheists can fare well in both arenas
Some can.
Theists only in the one where enough of the crowd cheer and support them (obviously not all, I even believe in a deity myself but I am talking about arguing for organised religion).
Except being part of an organized religion doesn't constitute the entirety of Theism.
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@RationalMadman
Obviously they don't or I wouldn't be able to be involved in both. I don't feel like I should get into this here cuz that's not what the topic's about but I can tell you what they both are. Heathenism and Spiritualism. If you want me to explain both of those I can but I feel like I should start a different topic to do that.
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@Athias
Majority, not entirety, sure yeah I know that but she was clearly asking where Theists turn up to debate atheists and the answer is they consistently (for the majority) don't, they're afraid to (wisely afraid).
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@Polytheist-Witch
Heathenism and Spiritualism
As I said, you're a 'super special' Theist yourself, so I'm not sure why you pool yourself in with what the type who want to spar with atheists in debate are (the Abrahamic religions specifically but also other established organised religions perhaps).
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@Athias
You're not some smart guy shitting on clowns, you're the clown shitting on world-renowned intellectuals right now and going as far to say it's not your opinion but a 'fact' that they're 'cartoons'.
In fact, when it comes to debating, you named the 2 best at it out of the four and classified them as 'cartoons'. Sam Harris and Daniel Dennett are no more debate specialists than Hitchens and Dawkins are.
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@RationalMadman
No I said people that are theists that don't seem to have any sort of religion are super special. There's absolutely nothing super special about my religious practice. Two organized religions are organized religions. Because the last time I checked I am here sparring with atheists. Because atheist don't just criticize monotheism. They believe all theists are inferior, mentally ill and morally compromised. Do you even read post to get put here?
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@RationalMadman
Majority, not entirety,
Based on what?
sure yeah I know that but she was clearly asking where Theists turn up to debate atheists and the answer is they consistently (for the majority) don't, they're afraid to (wisely afraid).
But what about the theists here? You continue to harp about "majority" but does that apply to the "majority" of theists, here? Have you encountered many theists here who are "wisely afraid" to voice their opinions on the subject of religion or atheism?
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@Athias
but does that apply to the "majority" of theists, here?
Yeah, it does?... Lol?
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@Athias
Have you encountered many theists here who are "wisely afraid" to voice their opinions on the subject of religion or atheism?
Plenty if you mean debating it and actually engaging the atheists on the matter, yes, don't wanna name them all though.