Biden is trying to pull a George Bush

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We all remember when George Bush had the state department lie about weapons of mass destruction. Apparently some honorable reporters have still not forgotten and asked some tough questions when the state department started making public statements about Russia planning a false flag in the Ukraine. 


Asked to provide proof, the government refuses and this is very reminiscent of the WMD DEBACLE. 
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this is very reminiscent of the WMD DEBACLE. 
is it, though?  

In one case we have Republicans actively manufacturing fake evidence as a casus belli to trick Americans into supporting an unnecessary war with the result of more than 6300 dead US soldiers, more than 75,000 significantly injured and  at the cost $2-3 trillion.

In the other case we have Democrats refusing to reveal their intelligence sources to the press.

Only a Republican would call these two things equivalent.
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Lol, it's fake intelligence. The Ministry of truth from America reporting on the Russian's Ministry of Truth.

Clearly a false flag in the making.
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In one case we have Republicans actively manufacturing fake evidence as a casus belli to trick Americans into supporting an unnecessary war with the result of more than 6300 dead US soldiers, more than 75,000 significantly injured and  at the cost $2-3 trillion.

In the other case we have Democrats refusing to reveal their intelligence sources to the press.
I think he asked for evidence the statement was true, not for the revealing of any source. The WMD incident, the state department had similar responses as of now. It's also absurd to say that all levels of government, start randomly behaving ethically, just because a Democrat has become ruler of America.

If I were you, I would start taking an equally critical eye towards people whose general ideologies you agree with, instead of just assuming that they are perfect and incapable of intentional or unintentional errors or mistakes.
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Yes it's a false flag. Everything is a false flag now, this website probably has feds
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Let's recall that Russian false flag operations are already a well-established fact in the Russo-Ukrainian War.

On July 16th, 2014 the Russian Army's  53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade snuck across the Ukrainian border under the cover of night while Putin was promising the world that there were no Russian troops on Ukrainian soil.  Satellite intelligence confirms that the Russians shot down  Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 with 298 civilian passengers and the Russian Col. General reported back to the Kremlin that a Ukrainian Jet Fighter had been shot down.  Obviously, this was a false flag operation with Russians masquerading as Donbas rebels in the hopes of escalating Ukrainians attacks on those rebels as pre-text to Russian invasion.  The Russian then snuck back across the border the next night with one BUK surface-to-air missile launcher missing one missile.  The Russian Government first reported the event as a rebel victory over the Ukrainian Air Force, then once they discovered they shot down civilians, changed the story to say that the Ukrainian Air Force shot down the plane.  When intelligence revealed that the plane was brought down by an S2A missile, Putin changed the story again to blame rebels in the Donbas region.  This ended up being the busiest three day  period ever for the Russian disinformation troll farm, The Internet Research Agency, tweeting out more 111,000 fake news tweets in 72 hrs

That Putin is running false flag operations during the Russian invasion of Ukraine is  a  fact established  in International Court and already punished with important sanctions on Putin from the EU, The Nederlands, and Australia.


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That Putin is running false flag operations during the Russian invasion of Ukraine is  a  fact established  in International Court and already punished with important sanctions on Putin from the EU, The Nederlands, and Australia.
I didn't know that governments do false flags. Thanks for verifying.

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just because a Democrat has become ruler of America.
Not a Democrat, chud, just a non-Republican.  Its hard to believe that there's such a thing as an ethical Republican left in America- the ethical ones have renounced that party as Trump has re-fashioned it.  For example, no non-Republican thinks of the POTUS as their ruler - that is new, Trump era thinking.
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I call them ruler, so nobody forgets we live in am oligarchy. 
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I call them ruler, so nobody forgets we live in am oligarchy. 
If you actually believed that the US was an oligarchy then why make a  forum complaining about the lack of govt openness in affairs of State?  Only democracies worry about that shit.  Oligarchies control the media so they need never worry about govt openness. 
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If you actually believed that the US was an oligarchy then why make a  forum complaining about the lack of govt openness in affairs of State?  Only democracies worry about that shit.  Oligarchies control the media so they need never worry about govt openness. 
Perhaps by being more open we can move to a more democratic form of government. A peaceful rebellion of sorts, though other forms should be on the table as well
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Perhaps by being more open we can move to a more democratic form of government. A peaceful rebellion of sorts, though other forms should be on the table as well
But you don't believe in more democratic forms of government.  You have repeatedly expressed your desire for autocracy in America.  Shouldn't you get your basic principles straight in your head before wasting other people's time with your fuzzy, unformed opinion, chud?

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But you don't believe in more democratic forms of government.  You have repeatedly expressed your desire for autocracy in America.  Shouldn't you get your basic principles straight in your head before wasting other people's time with your fuzzy, unformed opinion, chud?
I get my principles straight by sharing my fuzzy uninformed opinion. 
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Asked to provide proof, the government refuses and this is very reminiscent of the WMD DEBACLE. 
No, it’s not.

The WMD debacle centered around the fact that the Bush administration *used the intelligence* it had as a pretense for war in Iraq. They didn’t just tell us about it as an FYI, they needed us to give them permission through our representatives to authorize this war.

The Biden administration is putting their conclusions out there as a message to the Kremlin that we know what they’re up to. The American people can take it or leave it, it makes no difference.

If Biden comes back and says we need to go to war with Russia *because of* this false flag and refuses to share the intelligence, then you can start to draw the comparisons.
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The Biden administration is putting their conclusions out there as a message to the Kremlin that we know what they’re up to
If it was a message to the kremlin and not a pretext for war delivered to the American people, why was this handled publicly instead of with a phone call?
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Because they are priming America for war before it's even started. Thanks Brandon. Prolly get a Nobel for this.
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Because they are priming America for war before it's even started. Thanks Brandon. Prolly get a Nobel for this.

Nobel Peace Prize for letting the Russians take Ukraine
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If it was a message to the kremlin and not a pretext for war delivered to the American people, why was this handled publicly instead of with a phone call?
If it were a pretext for war the administration would be asking congress to authorize it, just like they did with WMD’s.
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This false flag is a pretext for that.
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You have to build popular support before that stage
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Matt Lee To Ned Price:

"I remember you said Kabul was not going to fall, so where is your evidence for this allegation?"
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Ok. Let me know when the evidence free crisis actors narrative becomes front center in the administration’s push for war with Russia, as opposed to, you know, the actual invasion of a democracy by a dictatorship.
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They stated Russia was planning a false flag. The claim is without evidence. 
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Then don’t accept it. Simple.
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