what's the best argument attacking it that you've seen?
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What's the best argument defending heteronormativity you've seen?
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Defending: "I'm 3 years old"
Attacking: "Prisons, schools, armies- as soon as you make an environment 100% one sex, the rate of gay incidents goes through the roof. Also, generalized porn viewing statistics report that a strong majority of men and women view and are aroused by member of their same sex. Women close to 100% aroused by women. 60-70% of men are aroused by other men. Statistically speaking, exclusively hetero is a pretty small minority of humanity."
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@oromagi
Also, generalized porn viewing statistics report that a strong majority of men and women view and are aroused by member of their same sex.
porn isnt real life
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@oromagi
60-70% of men are aroused by other men. Statistically speaking, exclusively hetero is a pretty small minority of humanity."
The statistic about women is true. I have had sex with an embarrassing amount of women, and damn near every one was down to bring another girl into bed with us. The male on male stat is shocking to me though, and now I am assuming it has something to do with the gaying of society, that I indicated in my other thread. The Russians want us to be gay, because it is easier to fight lady boys.
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@Dr.Franklin
porn isnt real life
If you are jacking off to and aroused by other men, you are gay. Now you may never want to act out on it, because it makes you scared to do so, or you are afraid society will judge you, but it is gay and you need to seek help, before you get even more gay.
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@sui_generis
Not something I've given deep thought,
Off the top of my head opinions,
Defending,
Social Norms.
Morals and ethics are often treated as objective.
Attacking,
Nihilism.
People will find new morals and ethics, as justified by their desires.
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@oromagi
I don't get the 3 years old thing?
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@sui_generis
Admittedly I don't understand the context of your question. Are you asking about sex, gender identification or both?
I'd say the best argument for defending it is procreation, and the best argument against it is we simply know it doesn't exist lol or rather it is not the default orientation for all. Not only has gay sex been observed in the animal kingdom, but all the research out there indicates most people's sexuality is fluid, especially in the absence of social judgment.
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@Dr.Franklin
What's real life DOC?
What isn't real about porn?
Heteronormative non-reproducing sex is as real in any circumstance as any other sexual modus is.
Porn has evolved to be an important factor of real life.
Just like any other entertainment.
Like going to church on a Sunday and listening to a bloke read you fairy tales.
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@Dr.Franklin
porn isnt real life
So you are saying that so long as men are popping boners over other men in a fantasy setting, then that's perfectly heteronorm? The boners are still real, right?
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@Wylted
I have had sex with an embarrassing amount of women,
To the extent that even"one" can be an embarrassing amount of women to have had sex with, I am willing to suspend disbelief here.
and damn near every one was down to bring another girl into bed with us. The male on male stat is shocking to me though, and now I am assuming it has something to do with the gaying of society,
Naw, when you study history you slowly realize that humanity has always been pretty gay. The variations are more about secrecy and taboo then prevalance of same sex attraction.
that I indicated in my other thread. The Russians want us to be gay, because it is easier to fight lady boys.
You should read your Plato. SInce Socrates, most military historians will agree that sex bonding makes for the deadliest military teams. The more elite the fighting group, the higher incidence of intra-male sex- not necessarily a lot of sucking and fucking but a lot of intimacy and touch bonding. Sexually bonded fighting groups are less likely to break ranks or leave others behind.
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@Danielle
-->@oromagiI don't get the 3 years old thing?
Yeah, I guess that's not too clear. I was just saying the best argument for heteronormative is keeping it simple for very young people. The younger the simpler. I'm okay with not getting too deep into gender variation until kids are old enough to ask.
I found the type of men that worry about gay men, are usually a type of guy that's abusive to women. That's why gay men intimidate them the idea that they might be looked at by a man the way they look at women, scares the crap out of them. Especially if they're physically abusive to women.
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@Polytheist-Witch
When did you conduct this research Poly?
Or is this just a subjective opinion?
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@oromagi
60-70% of men are aroused by other men.
I remember you posting some stat regarding to this which relied on 99% of pornhub users being male. I highly doubt that latter part.
I can also tell you Wylted refused a dick pic from me last night.
I have never watched explicitly gay porn in my life. At least, on my own.
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@badger
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I can also tell you Wylted refused a dick pic from me last night.
That's weird. He keeps asking me for mine.
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@Wylted
@oromagi
porn isnt accurate because of the environment. Your alone and pathetic watching other people do what you desperately want. It is sick and twisted by nature
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@zedvictor4
Porn has evolved to be an important factor of real life.
unfortunately
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@Dr.Franklin
Maybe so Doc.
But maybe the social suppression of inherent sexuality has a lot to answer for.
The evolution of our species has thrown up all sorts of weird and wonderful stuff.
Belief in the supernatural for example.
So unless you or I can explain EVERYTHING,
Then the need for porn and religion, seemingly is a necessity.
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@Dr.Franklin
porn isnt accurate because of the environment. Your alone and pathetic watching other people do what you desperately want. It is sick and twisted by nature
Well, even if I agreed to all this it wouldn't speak much to whether the men popping boners over other men should be considered heteronormative or the degree to which porn viewers reflect society at large. A 2018 Psychology Today study of couples 18-35 years old in a relationship for more than a year found
"In terms of basic results, they found that 73 percent of women and 98 percent of men reported internet porn use in the last six months, for a total of 85 percent of respondents. For porn use within the last week, the numbers were lower: 80 percent of men and 26 percent of women. Prerecorded videos were the most common type of online porn used. For both men and women, those who reported using porn more often noted a greater perceived lack of control."
So setting aside the question of whether or not porn accurately reflects human sexuality, it seems that a significant majority of American men under 35 are viewing porn as frequently as once per week and that the majority of those men and nearly all the women are jerking off to videos exclusively featuring the same sex. It seems to me that homosexual attraction is an important component of heteronormative behavior. If you ask any army's HR dept, or the captain of any ship, or the Dean of any all boys school, etc you'll find that the more often and longer men are isolated together, the more likely they are to seek intimate contact with other men. Ask any psychologist and they'll confirm that most straight men that come to them have some concerns about their same sex attractions/fantasies. Ask any ER Nurse and they'll confirm the commonality of straight men who show up with penis shaped objects stuffed in their butts that they can't get out. I guess I'm arguing pretty much all women and at least the majority of men are privately attracted to individuals of the same sex so what does heteronormative even mean, really?
When asked the secret of his longevity, 91 year old Ernest Borgnine answered "I masturbate a lot".
Don't we need porn for longevity?
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@FLRW
unbelievably stupid
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@oromagi
thats because porn is addicting, and yes men isolated will change their sexual behaviors over time
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@badger
I can also tell you Wylted refused a dick pic from me last night.
It's wierd because you somehow made me feel like an asshole for refusing it.
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@oromagi
If you ask any army's HR dept, or the captain of any ship, or the Dean of any all boys school, etc you'll find that the more often and longer men are isolated together, the more likely they are to seek intimate contact with other men.
This is what I was talking about in my thread the gaming of society. I only focused on artificial causes of increased homosexuality, but not natural causes.
For example the mouse experiments showed that rats would turn gay in places with lots of abundance and overcrowding. You would have the alpha males who guarded resources, and they would get all the female rats. This would turn the rest of the rats into betas who had to kiss the alpha rat's asses to gain access to rat vagina.
This also turned into a lot of rats turning gay, because the alpha rats would use gay rats as kind of guards access points of the resource distributor. The gay rats were also the o ly rats allowed near the female rats other than alpha males and formed an important function of this society.
I guess to some it up. The intentional artificial instruments to promote gayness, is Russia and corporations, the unintentional gaying of society comes from big cities and access to unlimited resources.
Iw we loom at natural gays that are just just part of evolutionary psychology. You know men too strong to be women but too weak to be men, they would often go with females when they went to dangerous fruit and berry gathering expeditions, while the meant hunted bears.
The current gays are probably 10% natural and 90% just a result of modern life and propaganda. Maybe we also just have a lot of Italians in America that were descended from the gay boy lover Roman's, and they passed on their genes to modern Americans
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@Danielle
reshaping my ideas on sex & gender.
I strongly believe that gender is "real" in at least the colloquial sense, and that for males to develop their inherent latent masculinity is a moral good, just as females & their inherent latent femininity (for the moment not touching on nb & trans)
the ideal society is not composed of androgenized humans, but of celebrated difference between men & women… I feel this is true on a pre-verbal level, and am seeking to simultaneously strengthen and challenge that feeling through soliciting additional viewpoints
How easily intimidated some people are.
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@sui_generis
A Zedku for sui-generis.
Most people fit into one of two categories.
Egg producer,
Sperm producer.
Then there are the occasional developmental anomalies.
And then there is a separate issue,
Sex.
There is reproductive sex,
And then there is recreational sex.
To achieve satisfactory outcomes,
There are nowadays,
Various recognised options available for both activities.
It is very easy to conflate the two issues,
Of gender,
And half an hour in the sack.
And consequently,
Come up with,
All manner of stupid stuff.
Throw in a bit of psychology and surgery for good measure,
And Bob's your Aunty,
And Fanny's your Uncle.
So to speak.