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What do you mean by kingsman?
Factually speaking, a criminal is nothing more than a human with a smaller og bigger problem;
and they certainly didn't all consciously chose to become criminal.
School shooters on the other hand have already made a decision to massacre before comming to School.
If anything, the notion that our actions directly controll the future should amplify our desire for virtue.
You seem to deny that there is any semblance of human will that can actually choose between two options in a way that is not inevitably determined by natural processes outside the individual's control.
Could the school shooter have chosen to do otherwise based on your previous statements about the cause of human actions?
Here is the inconsistency . Trace that back to some cosmic beginning, and everything is ultimately the inevitable product of the Big Bang. You are powerless to change that trajectory.
Whatever we do is already a part of the universe's trajectory, so our actions changing it makes no logical sense.
Our actions do change the trajectory of other people, and that is ultimately what matters.
How can our actions be the predetermined results of the universe's trajectory that we have no ability to change, yet our actions can change the trajectory of other people
Do you believe in free will, if so, could you define it and provide evidence for it?
How do you reconsile free will with belief in an omnicient creator God?
There are very strong and clear arguments for free will being an illusion regardless of whether or not God exists. Do you ignore these or do you have rebutalls?
Free Will is contradictory an omniscient God and it's contradictory to life in general whether and omniscient God exists. Freedom is one thing. Free Will is another entirely. If we had free will then we could make whatever choices we want and follow through on them. We can't for all sorts of reasons money, attitude, upbringing, place of birth, type of government in our country. There's a reason psychology exist because people are predictable animals. We rarely if ever change and we really with ever step outside our comfort zone. You're freedom lets you to make choices in regards to what you eat, who you marry, if you have kids, in some way where you live and what you do. Free will to make any choice you want to, at any time, no matter what, does not exist. We are slaves to nature and nurture.
The irony of everyone here posting to their own will supporting the most ridiculous notion that they have no will is hilarious.
humans are moral agents capable of making decisions and being responsible for those decisions.
This means that our decisions are not merely an illusion, nor are they strictly the product of brain states. Both Scripture and experience tell us that we make choices.
Free will contradicts theism because a creator God necesarily prohibits free will.P1: An omniscient God knows the complete history of every possible universe; (by necesity including all choices made every universe)P2: A creator God decided which of the possible universes to createC: God literally decided how history would turn out and what choices people would make
There is no way around this conclusion. God decided to create a universe where Adam and Eve would eat from the fruit of knowledge. God decided that Adam and Eve would sin, because literally nothing is outside his controll. By definition, nothing happens that conflict with God's decisions. Adam and Eve did not have free will; their choice was no more free than a clock is to show the correct time or not. The creator of the watch is responsible for the watch dysfunctioning, not the watch istself. Blaming a human for a crime is like blaming a gun for a murder --- sure it was the gun who shot the bullet, but the gun was controlled by someone else. This is just an analogy of course, but the point is important.
The problem of evil is so often dismissed without further elaboration by pointing to free will, and that humans (and/or demons), not God, cause evil and suffering in this world. When used to solve the problem of evil free will is nothing short of magic being invoked to dodge the disturbing implications of God's magic.
If we remove the "magic" from the equation we can confidently say that all humans have choice --- but that CHOISE IS NOT FREE FROM EXTERNAL CONTROLL AND CAUSALITY
The irony of everyone here posting to their own will supporting the most ridiculous notion that they have no will is hilarious.
The existence of Free Will, as in the will to act in the world without God's knowledge & will, entails a non-existence of an Omniscient Omnipotent being, thus the non-existence of God.
A square is a circle with corners.
- We are discussing whether or not human will is free.
- Choice cannot violate physical determinism or the determinism of a creator's will.
How free do you believe our will is, and what evidence supports your view.
We choose according to our strongest desire at the moment of the choice.
choice doesn't even exist if physical determinism is true
I believe humans have a will that is free to make choices, but it is not free to make spontaneous choices free from any prior desires or inclinations.