What do you believe and why?

God is One, complete, with out any division or equal. Incomparable with anything. Always the same, never changing, and perfect.

Omnipotent, meaning all influence comes from God. Everything that is done is done by God.

Omnipresent, meaning everywhere at once. If it exists, it is because God is there giving it existence.

Omniscient, meaning that everything that is known is contained within God

Omnibenevolent, meaning that God derltermines what is good, and everything God does is good.

God is certainly immeasurable. God is not simply background energy, God is the source of ALL energy. 

So this hypothetical thing, whatever it is, cannot be measured in any way and is indistinguishable from everything else? What is the practical difference from our perspective between this entity and no entity at all? That is if it is undetectable how do you know it is there?

If you are questioning the existence of The Truth, you have doubts. If you have doubts, you at least know one thing is true... that you have doubts.

There are no truths without The Truth.

What are the benefits of loving The Truth? What are the consequences of embracing delusion? 

You are better off making peace with the way things are than pointing at the world and demanding that it conform to your fantasies. Loving The Truth is beneficial in every way. It leads to real peace and happiness. Those who receive not a love for The Truth are cursed with strong delusion and they suffer for it.

I agree whole heartedly. That makes the real task determining the difference between the two. I'm still not even sure how you determine what an eternal truth is from your perspective but whatever it is you haven't explained how you know it exists as more than just the mundane physical workings of the universe. 

Well, the point is not that you can ever know The Truth. The closest you could get to that would probably be some grand unified theory... The point is that loving The Truth over all things is better for you and everything else.

If you love The Truth, it cleanses you from these delusions quite naturally. It makes you an honest and sincere person. It purifies the heart and cleanses the soul. It's the right way to go about life.

No, I already know I'm wrong. I also know that everyone is in the same boat as me. How do I know that? From loving The Truth. It's really easy to be haughty and have faith in your understanding, especially if you are really smart. However, God has.a way of revealing how the wisdom of man doesn't even stand up to the foolishness of God. The Truth is greater than knowledge.

I don't know are 3 of my favorite words. 

If you admit that we cannot know the ultimate truth then why do you also claim to know it is god? Isn't that a contradictory position?

Not at all. You don't have to know The Truth to know it exists.

I don't have to know The Ultimate Reality to know that is The Lord of all things.

What does that mean "lord" especially since you said we have no way of knowing if this being, or whatever it is, has conciousness? What qualifies as a lord?

There is no greater authority than The Ultimate Reality.

It determines everything. There is no power that can over come it. It is sovereign over all things.

What leads you to believe that any guiding force is necessary? Why couldn't the universe just work on its own? Why couldn't it be a space wizard or a spaghetti monster? Why do you believe in your particular god concept? This has been my real question from the beginning. You have done your best, so far as I can tell, to explain what you believe but you don't seem to have an answer for why beyond tautalogical claims and non sequiturs. 

You are talking about The Truth as if it isn't what it is. Why don't you claim that a space wizard or spaghetti monster runs everything? You mifht as well be if you don't believe in The Truth.

And if you don't believe in The Truth, you aren't standing on anything. By disputing The Truth, you undermine your own case against it. After all, you can't say, "It is the truth that there is no truth!" 

I don't think you understand how unreasonable it is for you to question the authority of The Ultimate Reality over everything.

In fact.

There is no argument against The Truth. You aren't arguing against me at this point, you are arguing against The Truth. I'm sure you have enough sense to see that this is futile.

Some things are true and some things are false. That is some things are factually accurate. This statement is not invalidated if your hypothesis about truth being an entity is actually false.

You can't just say "hey my god is the truth so without my god no truth could exist" I mean you can but that is a claim and you haven't demonstrated your claim. How can we possibly test that hypothesis? If you are wrong then clearly there are still things that are true. The problem owes I think not so much of our having  different definitions for the word truth as by your failure to recognize that when I say truth must exist I am talking about a very different concept than you do when you say it.

The Truth is my God.

Not

What you think God means is The Truth.

It's not as complicated as you are making it.

Generally the closest humans can come to truth is scientifically provable. There is of course the actual quantative truth which is probably always going to be beyond the understanding of humans but that just means any discussion of it will perforce be pure conjecture. We litteraly cannot know if that reality is or contains any god(s). If you mean anything by truth other than these two things then we are not discussing the same thing and not believing in the hypothetical thing you propose and insist on calling truth does not make it nonsensical to believe in truth as quantitative or scientifically provable truth.

In other words Truth does not equal truth. At least you have not demonstrated that Truth equals truth.

I am not talking about gods, I am talking about The Ultimate Reality. The Truth. I am talking about God.

I don't need to prove that The Truth is The Truth.

Prove to me that it is true that there is truth!

It doesn't take much to see there is nothing reasonable about what you are asking of me.

Your argument is futile, and denying my God is foolishness. Repent and believe The Truth.

I haven't made an argument I have just failed to accept your claim.

There is nothing reasonable about refusing to accept The Truth.

You don't need to demonstrate that the truth equals the truth you need to demonstrate that Truth equals truth. You are the one who has created a differentiation between the two. You very clearly do not mean quantative or quantifiable truth.wwhen you say Truth.

If you believe in truth at all, you already believe in The Truth. 

The Truth is the way things actually are. If you are saying that actuality doesn't exist, how can you even believe in truths, which are the way things seem to be? If there is any truth in the way things seem to be, it is because The Truth is in it.

You are clearly mistaken as I do believe in quantative truth but not in the hypothetical entity you refer to as the Truth. You are making conjecture about quantative reality which is far different from demonstrating something about quantative reality.

Conjecture?

I don't need to prove that The Truth exists, it is self evident. This has nothing to do with math. I'm talking about what makes math true. Without The Truth, their is no math.

I don't think you understand what I'm talking about, because I am not making a  quantative claim. There is no  quantative reality without The Truth.

I am not talking about a hypothesis, I'm talking about The Truth.

Maybe you need to think about what I've said a little bit more, because if you understand me, you'd get that you aren't arguing against something that makes sense to argue against.

I think we must not be having the same conversation because the things you are claiming are not self evident to me.

Because you think when I say Truth I am saying goblin.

It's like you aren't taking my words to mean whaat they are. Ans now you are asking for proof of the truth.

So I got notging more to say about that. You've adopted the funny farm position.

But the other half of this is that loving Truth purifies you, makes you more honest and competent.

That reality is as reality does is self evident even if I am wrong about what reality is because that is a tautology. That this reality is or contains some god(s) including your god which you happen to call truth is not self evident. Unless you are not actually talking about a god when you say truth we are not discussing the same thing. I believe in truth but Truth has not been demonstrated to me. They are not the same thing and I have no reason to believe that there can be no truth without truth. That this is the case is your claim which puts the burden of proof on you. You have the right to believe anything even if what you believed were provably false rather than simply not provably correct but don't be surprised when others do  it accept your claims if you do not meet your burden of proof.

Honestly you haven't even been able to explain why you believe it. You just keep repeating what you believe and expecting me to accept it because you are using the word Truth as a name for your hypothetical god.

You have also quoted the bible, a book that is clearly scientifically inaccurate and self contradictory if taken at face value.in fact even if it should not be taken at face value and is subject to interpretation the contradictory nature of the book means that one can interpret it to mean almost anything. 

..."Since 1927, whenever i am going to sleep, i alwaysconcentrate my thinking on what i call "Ever Rethinking the LordsPrayer" (Richard Buckminister Fuller)"...
 
.."I am confident as specifically argued, my followingdeclaration constitutes a scientifically
meticulous, direct-experience-based proof of God. { R B Fuller } 
 
"Ever Rethinking the Lord's Prayer---July 12 1979
 
 To be satisfactory toscience
 all definitions mustbe stated
 in terms ofexperience.
 
 I define Universe as
 all of humanity's
 in-all-known-time
 consciouslyapprehended
 and communicated (toself or others)
 experiences.
 
 In using the word,God,
 I am consciouslyemploying
 four clearlydifferentiated
 from one another
 experience-engenderedthoughts.
 
Firstly I mean:_
 thoseexperience-engendered thoughts
 which are predicatedupon past successions
 which are unexpected,human discoveries
 of mathematicallyincisive,
 physicallydemonstrable answers
 to what thereto forehad been missassumed
 to be foreverunanswerable
 cosmic magnitudequestions
 wherefore I nowassume it to be
 scientifically  manifest,
 and thereforeexperientially reasonable that
 
 scientificallyexplainable answers
 may and probably will
 eventually be given
 to all questions
 as engendered in allhuman thoughts
 by the sum total
 of all humanexperiences;
 wherefore my firstmeaning for God is:-
 
 all theexperientially explained
 or explainableanswers
 to all questions
 of all time-
 
Secondly I mean;-
 The individual'smemory
 of many surprisingmoments
 of dawning comprehension's
 of as interrelatedsignificance
 to be existent
 amongst a number
 of what hadpreviously seemed to be
 entirelyuninterrelated experiences
 all of whichremembered experiences
 engender thereasonable assumption
 of the possibleexistence
 of a totalcomprehension
 of the integratedsignificance-
 the meaning-
 of all experiences.
 
Thirdly, I mean:-

Ebuc can we agree that reality is as reality does?

What does reality do?

Well it may be beyond humans to say with certainty. Which was the next point I intended to make next. Humans know very little about reality as compared with how much of it there seems to be.

One thing that reality does do is constantly change. Therefore, there is virtually an infinite amount of "reality" to "know" which means it can never be known since what we know at this moment has changed in some way in the next moment. All we can do is perceive, measure or experience a given moment. Since that is all we or anything else can do, it is meaningless to say that we cannot "know" reality. There isn't some imperceptible "objective reality" that escapes us. There are only other ways of perceiving, measuring or experiencing reality, a virtually infinite number of them. It is impossible to "know" everything about a thing. We "know" reality in our own limited way. The kind of certainty or knowledge you appear to be looking for does not exist.

Yes that is Why it is beyond us as humans. That is what I said after all.