What do you believe and why?

Have you ever been surprised? Have you ever been wrong? Have you ever learned anything?

These are all proofs that reality isn't as it seems.

Have you ever been wrong? Isn't that proof that you could be wrong now? Why don't you want to address the why part of what do you believe and why?

"let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged."

Oh are we discussing Yahweh?

To you that is a meaningless pronouncement of syllables. It is easy to argue against created things like scriptures, traditions, and the letter that kills.

What I am trying to tell you is that I admit I am wrong, and it isn't my righteousness, or being right and true that I am trying to communicate to you. 

There is One that is True, One among us, and I am certainly not wrong about this One, because I do not testify on my own, it testifies of itself. The Truth. You can disagree with me about everything, but if your argument is against The Truth, you are wrong.

I'm not actually arguing at all. I'm trying to determine why you believe what you believe.

There is nothing greater than The Truth.

..."Without showing me charity, you have shown that you have judged me or my position without actually taking the tims to understand it."//

There is no understanding your God = ultimate reality.  Meaningless dribble to me.

Please share when you can elaborate wit more defiinition and clarity of definition.

Saying both are truth is not much elaboration of clarity.

Is that relative or cosmic truths?

If we say all cosmic truths are God then we are in error.

If we say all relative truths are God then were in error.

Both of these ignore occupied space.

Then we have to define catagories of occupied space and non-occupied space into defintion of God.

My reality ins inclusive physical/energy via fermions and bosons as identified in  standard theory and quantified by humans.

Metaphysical-3, gravity and metaphysical-4 dark energy  ergo not real until quantised or quantifed  eergo obserevd by humans ergo not real/reality.

The Ultimate Reality.

The One Eternal Reality that all other realities are contingent on, but is itself not contingent.

You calling what I am saying meaningless dribble. It is only saying that you understand it as meaningless dribble. That does not makie it true, and certainly it is not.

Again this is what you believe not why you believe it. Would you prefer to discuss it privately wouldvthst make it easier for you to explain yoir position?

I think believing in anything else really demands more explanation.

The Truth is True. That's reason enough.

Except that you say truth you are referencing an entity. That the truth is true is tautalogically true but it remains true even if Yahweh is not part of that truth. Why do you believe that Yahweh specifically is a part of the truth?

That name literally means what I am saying.

So you are mistaken, when I say "The Truth" that is what I mean. Exactly what I am saying. I am not saying The Truth is this that I say about The Truth.

The Truth is God. If you didn't know that, believe and you will have some good news. That is the identity of my God. If you attach anything else to God, it is likely superstition that will go away once you accept that God is what God is... The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.

If that seems obnoxious to you, I would say it would probably be better if you didn't presume to understand theology. However, I am not talking about what other people believe. I am not talking about scriptures or how other people interpret religion. I am telling you MY religion and what I believe which is very simple.

The God I believe is the One True God, The Supreme and Ultimate Reality. My religion is worship of this God by loving The Truth. Naturally, anyone who does this will naturally become a more honest, sincere , healthy, and effectual person. There are a multitude of benefits that come from loving The Truth, but if you love The Truth because of these benefits, you are making miracles your idol before God.

There are plenty of people who love truth to the degree that it gets them what they want, and I would say this is a perverse form of Truth worship. I love God for who God is, and my circumstance has very little to do with it. If I was in a hellish situation, making peace with reality is the only way to get a peace that surpasses understanding.

The Truth alone is worthy of worship. The vanities and baubles of this world will vanish one day, but The Truth is eternal.

So are you ascribing conciousness to the truth or merely willing to worship that which is factually accurate whether it has conciousness or not? 

You could certainly ascribe consciousness to The Truth by saying whatever happens in truth was done because The Truth determined it to be.

Does The Truth have a consciousness like you or me? Does an ant have consciousness like we do?

If The Truth is conscious, it would likely be in a form that is alien to our consciousness.

I would say that if something happens, it happened by God's will. This is another way of saying that something happened in truth. There is no truth unless The Truth is in  it.

Facts or factual accuracy is not the same thing as The Truth. Facts are contingent on The Truth. The Truth is not contingent on facts. Facts are accurate relativistically. The Truth is always The Truth.

I don't worship what is factually accurate. I worship what makes facts accurate. The Truth. Not truths, The Truth. Not realities, The Ultimate Reality.

The Ultimate Reality is God with a capital G.

I cannot gaurantee that ants have any conciousness. In the same way I'm unsure if you are describing a concious being as separate from the concept of truth (that which is factually accurate) or not. The truth is that you are not describing you capitol g god very well. So far you have just stated a tautology and claimed that this tautology is inseparable from this hypothetical being which may or may not be Yahweh (You have yet to confirm or deny that it is Yahweh under discussion).

Yahweh means "I AM THAT I AM"

It's another way of saying "The Ultimate Reality".

If you don't believe me, talk to some rabbis.

Simply accept what I'm saying, and there will be no mystery. The Truth is my God. I never claimed to know The Truth, in fact I don't believe anyone can know The Truth entirely. That isn't the point. Loving The Teurh is clearly better than embracing delusion.

So you are not claiming that The truth is a concious entity? Yes or no will do nicely.

I'm saying it is what it is and that I can not say it is or is not a conscious entity. That is not really intrinsic to what I said.

It can look like a conscious entity.

It can look like it isn't.

This shouldn't get in the way of accepting the concept.

So you believe that whatever the truth is is true and you worship the concept of truth even if it is an unconscious abstract force. Unless I am missing something.

Thats how you put it.

I would say that I believe The Truth and my religion is worship of The Truth through love of The Truth. This naturally reconfigures a person.

It is true that children occasionally get bone cancer. Do you love that truth?

If children occasionally get bone cancer, it by your own admission is not Eternal Truth.

I love The Truth. The Ultimate Reality.

Truth is truth and that inocent people suffer is true. I'm not sure how you are differentiating this truth from the truth you claim to worship but making that distinction would seem to cheapen the truth.

Not at all.

It is truth that is is the year 2018. Last year, this was not true. Next year this will not be true.

The Truth I believe in is The Eternal Teuth. What always was. Always is, and always will be true.

So this is the difference between a truth and The Truth

What qualifies as eternal in an ever-changing universe? The suffering of humans is at least as eternal as the human race is. Are you sure this isn't just a convenient excuse to dismiss truths that do not support your hypothesis?

Humans were not always here, and humans will not be here forever. My faith is not in humanity.

There is no "truth" that can undermine The Truth, because there are no truths without The Truth.

The universe exists because of The Truth. The Truth is not contingent on the universe, the universe is contingent on The Truth.

At this point I don't even know what you mean by truth. Can you give me an example of an eternal truth without making a tautology?

There is only One Eternal Truth.

The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.

It is not a needless representation, it's divine simplicity.

Yes so you have said before. I'm just not completely sure what you mean by it. Does this thing have specific describable attributes? Does it accomplish tasks or give of measurable amounts of energy that can be distinguished from the background energy of the universe itself?