Apparently the maker of 9values thinks i'm fascist, utter bull.
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@BigPimpDaddy
Do you believe in the forcible suppression of political opposition and that society and the economy should be strictly regimented? Do you believe in a hierarchical system where one individual wields supreme executive power?
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@secularmerlin
no, not at all; that's communist ideology literally.
every communist and socialist state is what you just described
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@BigPimpDaddy
I think perhaps part of the problem is that you seem not to actually understand what either fascism or socialism actually are.
Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy.
so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
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noun
- a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
The community as a whole.
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@secularmerlin
I think you can stop using your dirty semantics now
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@BigPimpDaddy
Those are the actual definitions as provided by Google. So far this is not a semantic argument. I am simply in favor of feeding and housing everyone.
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@secularmerlin
Human nature wont let that happenSo you believe that if dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy is not imposed then we will descend naturally into chaos?no.
Great at least we agree on something.
do you now agree my test results were bullshit?
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@BigPimpDaddy
do you now agree my test results were bullshit?
I couldn't actually say one way or the other without more information
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@BigPimpDaddy
In reality there's no such thing as communism or a socialist state.
Communism and socialism are the philosophical dreams of careless intellectuals.
All systems are based upon natural hierarchy.
Though control methodology may vary.
Your two main choices are reasonably liberal democracy or oppressive dictatorship.
Though in both cases, those at the top dictate, those at the bottom do the donkey work, and those in between fall into line.
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@zedvictor4
Your two main choices are reasonably liberal democracy or oppressive dictatorship.
Either way, if the people { humaniity } do not adhere to a system that places moral integrity set truth values over lies, then end-date-for-humanity remains the same, or even shorten.
There may be another formula involving end-date-for-humanity that, involves truth factor.
This would be a pattern of truth values, sort of like the movie A Beautiful Mind --based on true story of mathematician who slowly loosing his mental faculties
1} pattern tracking of truths being told by politicians, scientists and corporate CEO's with some resultant numerical value,
2} Pi-Cosmic Time 66,
3} three { triangular fix/location },
4} speed-of-radiation,
5} 210 years aka seven generations out/forward
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@zedvictor4
All systems are based upon natural hierarchy.
Why?
I found myself stymied in taking the quiz by its seeming presupposition behind some of the questions. Such as raising the tax on the rich. I am not so much in favor of that as simply not allowing anyone to attain more wealth than they can actually reasonably use in one lifetime in the first place.
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@secularmerlin
I am not so much in favor of that as simply not allowing anyone to attain more wealth than they can actually reasonably use in one lifetime in the first place.
Would you be in favor of using taxes to achieve that? (Yes I acknowledge that other methods exist, my question stands). If you answer yes to that then answering with a strong yes to the question you bring up on the quiz may be warranted.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Unfortunately that is only one instance and a work around may exist for each question but the quiz does front load several questions from a capitalist viewpoint
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@secularmerlin
I took it a few months ago, don't remember too many specifics but agree that the questions probably aren't perfect. Way better than Political Compass though, at least in my opinion.
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@secularmerlin
I found myself stymied in taking the quiz by its seeming presupposition behind some of the questions. Such as raising the tax on the rich. I am not so much in favor of that as simply not allowing anyone to attain more wealth than they can actually reasonably use in one lifetime in the first place.
IMPLICIT ONTOLOGICAL BIAS
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@secularmerlin
"Why" isn't everyone a billionaire?
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@zedvictor4
Why is anyone a billionaire is a better question. No individual human needs a billion dollars. If you have a billion dollars while other people are homeless and starving then you are an actual monster.
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@secularmerlin
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@BigPimpDaddy
How apropos
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@secularmerlin
Money is what regulates the system, and therefore makes the system function.
Natural hierarchy dictates a persons place within the system and consequently their access to money.
Naturally acquired ability dictates social hierarchy.
It's what makes things progress.
Very few people starve and very few people own super yachts.
And some people worry about these things from the security of their niche, because they can.
But they are unlikely to change the system.
Because by the time they get to worrying age, it's usually too late to change.
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@zedvictor4
Natural hierarchy
Word salad
Hierarchies are not natural they are man made.
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@zedvictor4
Naturally acquired ability dictates social hierarchy.
Incorrect. That does not have nearly as much to do with your social standing as your intergenerational wealth.
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@secularmerlin
Incorrect.
Intergenerational wealth as you refer to it, is just a small part of the global system of hierarchy.
You're too hung up on money and wealth in isolated situations, and not seeing the bigger global social picture.
Give some people a million dollars and they will blow it in a year.
Give someone ten dollars and they will make a million.
Ability creates wealth, creates hierarchy, creates social structure, which facilitates social function and progress.
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@zedvictor4
Everyone should be fed and housed regardless of wealth. This cannot be accomplished by capitalism because it treats human necessities as commodities. If you are correct that the poor are poor because they have poor abilities then by extension you are arguing that they are less deserving of commodities=necessities=life. No one is more deserving of life because they have more wealth that is patently absurd and so I must conclude some flaw in your reasoning.
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@secularmerlin
Everyone should be fed and housed regardless of wealth. This cannot be
accomplished by capitalism because it treats human necessities as
commodities. If you are correct that the poor are poor because they have
poor abilities then by extension you are arguing that they are less
deserving of commodities=necessities=life. No one is more deserving of
life because they have more wealth that is patently absurd and so I must
conclude some flaw in your reasoning.
I agree, but I also believe we need to have birth control, and avenues for plenty of sex of consenting adults and consenting teenagers ---again massive efforts to prevent births--- because we have systemically operational problems for the amount of people on Earth.
We have problem with the religous fundamentalitist types believing it is a sin for humans to not be allow unfettered amount of humans births on Earth, while destroying the evironmental systems that sustain human existence on Earth vs, a rational, logical common sense birth control policy that is in consideration of the ecology that sustains humans existence on Earth.
Humans are too smart for their britches and to greedy and dumb to implement balance operational procedures to keep us from destroying the ecology that sustains us.
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@zedvictor4
I agree, but I also believe we need to have birth control, and avenues for plenty of sex of consenting adults and consenting teenagers ---again massive efforts to prevent births--- because we have systemically operational problems for the amount of people on Earth.We have problem with the religous fundamentalitist types believing it is a sin for humans to not be allow unfettered amount of humans births on Earth, while destroying the evironmental systems that sustain human existence on Earth vs, a rational, logical common sense birth control policy that is in consideration of the ecology that sustains humans existence on Earth.Humans are too smart for their britches and to greedy and dumb to implement balance operational procedures to keep us from destroying the ecology that sustains us.
Ebuc just did some of your heavy lifting for you by providing an argument for why
Less selfishness=fewer people