"Fake art"

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Is there even "fake art" at all? What is real art, if then?

Sure, you looked at a picture that looks like the real Mona Lisa. Everyone cheers and nobody notices that it is a replica. Is it fake? NO! It is as visually pleasing as the "real" Mona Lisa painting. This picture is basically a replica, and thus would lose in originality for so and thus may be valued less socially(even if we exclude the credits of the artist, in which Da Vinci took years to finish this one), but nevertheless, it is real art. You can look at it, you can appreciate it. It satisfies anything and everything a regular piece of art does. A "replica" of Mona Lisa is nearly as aesthetically pleasing as the real one on its own, and to call it fake art would be disrespecting the artwork's beauty in of itself.

Do we, perhaps, call any book other than the final draft written by the author "fake"? Do we, perhaps, call cars that are produced and assembled in factories systematically instead of handcrafted by car designers as a concept in the ball room exhibited "fake"? Do we, perhaps, call that everything on Art magazines "fake" because they cannot afford to resurrect Van Gogh or Da Vinci to paint one for every copy of it?

Nope. Art can be replicated and replication, if done in the same quality, does not make it fake. If a drawing is of the exact same configuration and quality as "THE Mona Lisa", then what is fake about it, consider no one can tell it apart? Even if one considers it a "fake Mona Lisa", it is still as non-fake art as Mona Lisa itself, aesthetically.

Then, comes modern art, which is still not "fake art". Sure, art people can just splash paint upon crusty canvas and call that a piece of art. Someone could just take a piece of canvas and chop it in half, dip it in oil, and call that art. Yes. That is art. Due to the little effort it takes to create those, it may be less "art" than Mona Lisa, but it can never be non-art, since one can find it expressive and beautiful in of itself, as well as that it is intended to be "art". No matter what, it was meant to be expressive and that is what art is all about, and you don't call a 5-year-old's stick figure drawing non-art just because it is easy to replicate. Those replicas, on the other hands, are as much as "Is art" as the original one, even though it may be lacking in originality, thus being less "arty" than the original.

Unless originality and effort are both extensively required for any given piece of art to be even considered art, there is no "fake art" as we know it here.
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by marx's labour theory of value the copy takes less labor so its value is less assuming the "fake" was printed
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Yes. The real Mona Lisa is of more value than its replicators due to it taking more effort to create. Although it has more intrinsic art value, it is aesthetically the same basically as the replicas and both are art, despite one worth more than the other for being original.
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Well, definitively "fake"  means not the real thing.

And a copy is a reproduction of something.

A copy only becomes a fake if it is presented as the original.

So a valid copy is still a representative artefact and worthy of recognition.

Whereas, it is the intent behind fakery that is recognised as being unworthy.

Though that is not to say that the skill in producing a good fake, is not artistic and not worthy of recognition.

In the end it really all boils down to money.
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Present the fake as real and prison will show you the difference. :)
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@Rm. 

A replicated Mona Lisa is a fake Mona Lisa. It is still art, even if it isn’t “the Mona Lisa”. Some people call replicas non-art.
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originality and effort
Are NOT QUANTIFIABLE.
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Present the fake as real and prison will show you the difference. :)
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There is fake art. Which is purposefully fraudulent art. For instance, I've seen sales for "paintings" which are just pictures using filters,and being passed off as real. That's totally fake. It is the intention .
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A fake is not fraudulent, unless it was intended to deceive.

And a picture is real, however it was produced.

And of course, there is the "Art" of deception.


And as I stated previously, it all boils down to money.

If money wasn't lost or gained, no one would care.

You would just be left with an item which you thought worthy or not, of wall decoration.
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As I said, it is the intention.
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We agree then.
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