Pokémon Indigo League Mafia - DP 1

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If you end up being scum and we lynch scum, I am okay with cop being out there. Hard to trust cop results anyway most of the time. Godfathers, lawyers, redirectors, etc etc, I honestly hate the cop role. I see way to many mislynches because of them. If you are scum I will feel okay with it. I think your Charizard claim stemmed from feeling it was safe because there was two other pokemon claims. 
Or it’s my real claim? If I’m scum then you surely must think Disc must be scum. If having a Pokémon as a character is scummy then you should be equally suspicious of Disc.

Who else could you have claimed? Brock, Misty, and Ash are the main characters and all 2 were already claimed. Literally anything else would have been suspicious. You probably thought Charizard was safe because you believed my pikachu claim, which meant 3 pokemon and you not being an outlier.
Just from a simple Google search of Pokémon Indigo characters theres Ritchie and Delia. Besides that I’d assume there are other minor characters. I’d assume Poly had to go for a Pokémon 

That's why I was getting pissed because  you were saying you needed to get mislynched basically before you would claim. Which you have done that bullshit where you require town to put you at l-1 before you will claim, you do it all the time and its fucking annoying. Then have the gall to turn around and blame town for not getting an earth lynch off in supas game lol. People like you stall the game.
You misunderstood stood me then. I haven’t been put at L-1 for a while. I think you’re confusing me for Speed who requires that to occur. I said as soon as you have 6 people on board with your mass claim, I’d claim, and I did. I could’ve delayed longer, but I don’t want that as a townie.
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This is a pretty desperate seeming manipulation and twisting of words pie. Even for you. 
You seem to read my words differently than I intend to as well. 

Anyways, Earth clarified it for me after further inquiry. There was no “manipulation.”
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Are professor Oak and Gary Oak related?
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I definitely think you are scum. This is 100% manipulation.
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I definitely think you are scum. This is 100% manipulation.
Or I just misunderstood you, but ok. My compliment still stands even if it’s against me. We need more of that.
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oromagi                          Misty
TOWN
Lunatic                           Officer Jenny
 ILikePie                         Charizard
Earth                              Nurse Joy
Evilgenius                    Gary Oak
SupaDudz                        Ash
Wylted                                Brock
 drlebronski                Professor Oak         ENABLER
Discipulus_Didicit      MewTwo                 MILLER
whiteflame                    Narrator

Just a quick copy of the claims list.


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Okay 7 pages went by since I last checked the game and I have been tagged about ten times. I am not going to be able to catch up on all that.
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I will go through as many of the posts I was tagged in as I can.
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you can skip every lunatic and pie post to each other. It isn't too much when that is cut out
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I will go through as many of the posts I was tagged in as I can.
It was 10, and they were all one sentence long, drama queen. 
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Until that happens I will just continue to argue with pie for like 20 pages, so ya'll better come and play ;-)
Oh is this the reason I have a bunch of crap to sift through because I was gone for 12 hours? Not because something actually happened, someone intentionally wants to discourage town activity by fluffing the DP? Pretty damn gay.
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Narrator is a odd claim. The Narrator isn't an entity in the show. If its something like characters who talk vs those who don't, then there are a good 6 characters who would make more sense. Maybe its something to do with the voice actors. Fun fact, Ash's VA, Veronica Taylor, also voices Micaiah in Fire Emblem Heroes.
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Did you ever give your justification?
Yeah, Mewtwo is a dick so he is miller, but Ash taught him the power of love and friendship so I became less of a dick, so I am town.

That's the paraphrased version.
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@Wylted
you can skip every lunatic and pie post to each other. It isn't too much when that is cut out
Yeah, I will actually do that.
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pie and luntic could be bigbraining
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I'm not too sure on some of these. Maybe I'll watch an episode and confirm via Credits.

VOICE ACTORS 

Nurse Joy - Megan Hollingshead
Officer Jenny - Lee Quick(?) 
Charzard - Shin-ichiro Miki (Seems like they kept his voice for Charzard in the ENG verison.)
Gary Oak - James Carter Cathcart
Ash - Veronica Taylor 
Brock - Eric Stuart 
Professor Oak - Stan Hart
Mewtwo - Jay Goede (at least for the first movie)
Narrator - Rodgers Parsons
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unvote

The train I was on has evidently become irrelevant.

In cases like this where you disagree with someone and they are not changing their mind (whether it is to lynch or not lynch someone, commit to a certain strategy, etc.) Don't waste everyone's time talking at them for ten pages. If you can't change theirind, change someone else's. If nobody agrees with you then give up. This is a game about gathering a concensus and enforcing that concensus through voting. Wasting everyone's time making them read your debate arguments does not help.

The only exception to this is if you are scum. Obviously if you are scum then derailing DP's into debates is helpful to your cause.
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@Lunatic
So that's the pm based reason to suspect pie, because now he's the only non talking Pokémon in the game. Now do you think he stands out at all?
It's unclear to me why a character must have a speaking role to be in this game, though that certainly does set his role apart. If we believe that Mewtwo is in this game, then I don't see why we shouldn't expect there to other Pokémon, and with you now stating that you are Officer Jenny, Pie's it. In a game about Pokémon, I'd be surprised if the only spot leant to an actual Pokémon was to Mewtwo, but maybe that's just me. It lends some credence to your argument, and certainly gives me more reason to sus him than it does you, particularly now that you've claimed one of the obvious two roles. 

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Oh is this the reason I have a bunch of crap to sift through because I was gone for 12 hours? Not because something actually happened, someone intentionally wants to discourage town activity by fluffing the DP? Pretty damn gay.

I posted some TLDRs. Everything else was just theory ego attacks.
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@Earth
We can talk about how much Charzard and Mewtwo appears, but can we talk about how the Narrator never appears? If you want to look at Charzard and see he only shows up in the last 1/5 of the anime, well the Narrator shows up for 0/5. 
Similar issue to what I brought up about Charizard not having a speaking role. Not appearing in physical form certainly sets the Narrator apart, so I understand why that would stand out to you, but why is having a physical presence in the show what determines whether a character is in this or not? And wouldn't that oddness also make it a strange choice for a fake claim?

Intriguing thoughts on the VAs, though I can't say I know any of those names. Interesting crossover with Fire Emblem as well.
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pie and luntic could be bigbraining
Can you please state your justification?
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Yeah, Mewtwo is a dick so he is miller, but Ash taught him the power of love and friendship so I became less of a dick, so I am town.

That's the paraphrased version.
Thank you sir!
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Activity ping!
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my justification is that professor oak helped ash a lot on his journey so if he dies ash would lose the guidance??  (i havent watched pokemon at all lol)
i think thats what a justification is lol.
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Are Gary Oaks and Professor Oaks related?
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Lets look at this: I was essentially the last person to claim cause it was blatantly obvious Supa was Ash. I could’ve selected practically any human besides Ash and Jenny and I would’ve been fine. You think I’m dumb?
This echoes my thoughts when I read the response to the Charizard claim, though it is hardly rock solid. I have been considering the possibility of "characters that can talk vs those that can't" since the top of page 2.

You must admit that you do stand out even if theme analysis is not nail in the coffin proof of affiliation.
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my justification is that professor oak helped ash a lot on his journey so if he dies ash would lose the guidance??  (i havent watched pokemon at all lol)
i think thats what a justification is lol.
That’s exactly what it is. Thanks!
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hes professor oaks grandson.
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Are Gary Oaks and Professor Oaks related?
100% sure they are related, 95% sure the relationship is grandson-grandfather.
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This echoes my thoughts when I read the response to the Charizard claim, though it is hardly rock solid. I have been considering the possibility of "characters that can talk vs those that can't" since the top of page 2.

You must admit that you do stand out even if theme analysis is not nail in the coffin proof of affiliation.
For sure. But I’m sure there’s one thing differentiating everyone that has already claimed. 

It’s why I think we should look at connections between characters that link themselves to mafia. For example, Professor Oaks and Gary Oaks. 

I’ve been rather suspicious of Bron’s claim and Oro has sort of fizzled out