Pokémon Indigo League Mafia - DP 1

You’re not gonna change my opinion on this matter.

I mean I am blatantly telling them to if they are of those roles. If they don't then hopefully they learn from the mistake. We need to change what's meta and do what's appropriate in the situation, otherwise town will keep making the same mistakes. Noobs on mafiascum learn these lessons in their first games, why should it be any different on Dart?

They are used frequently enough that they shouldn't be discredited based on claim alone. It's a lazy lynch train that is usually devoid of behavioral analysis.

It only takes once.

I’ve already posted my thoughts on the enabler claim from Bron and have even shared my thoughts with Oro on it.

You don’t want to lynch any of those already claimed. So who do you want to lynch? Me? For stopping this foolhardy mass claim plan? What’s the future? No Lynch?

So you want to risk a person throwing the game for town just so they don’t killed? Even if a Cop claims there are protective roles. There are Watchers, etc. It’s even worse to throw than to simply claim when pressured.

I get bored when I am Vanilla. The fact is activity is already low to begin to with and it just makes it worse. You gotta deal with it. We both know this site ain’t like Mafiascum and other sites. Only telling the truth. But I still play to my win con even if I hate doing. Early on it’s not as fun, but when I’m alive later in the game it’s much much easier and fun. Just look at the last two or three games and compare it to someone else’s play like GP. My brainpower I feel is wasted in a vanilla game where we’re trying to find something that could be dumb. I’d rather watch Netflix 

I focus on both. I’ve never advocated for a mass claim unless I felt it would genuinely we helpful and not cause harm. You know that. We pressure people to get claims and sometimes if we’re right they’re put in a bad spot. Just look at Poly for example.

Yeah pie. See this is the problem with you as a player, and why I am getting sick of being baited into these long back and forth text chains with you. If this were another forum besides mafia I would happily just destroy your illogical stubborness all day out of entertainment. I used to do it in mafia all the time, but I've learned most people (especially town) definitely aren't reading through these exchanges and the accomplish nothing but cluttering the day phase. If there was a conversation to be had, or you were open up to learning different or actually willing to change your mind on anything, this would be different. I've picked up on you lately as just wanting to be a stubborn prick regardless of your alignment, which just makes it all that more frustrating when you are town.

The problem is your ego is the size of California and Texas combined. I've noticed it with many comments you've made lately, and I just have let them slide, but it's pretty clear. I guess the first sign that you will double down and cult up with any belief regardless of the lack of logic behind it should have been the fact that your still a fervent Trump supporter lol.

I would say you should go to a site like mafiascum or mafiauniverse and try out these meta chasing antics and see how they work for you. But no, that wouldn't work. As you continually demosntrate in both forum and live mafia that you will pursue these retarded, absent of logic meta chasing of auto lynching millers despite having been told and explained logically many times how inconsistent it actually results in the lynch of scum.

Nah, whenever town loses it's always someone else on the team's fault, and never because of your faulty pursuit. The idea that town never makes mistakes (as you hold with earth) and when they do it's their fault even though you decided to lynch them knowing they are prone to make mistakes is another demonstratable thing that just shows what is already the obvious conclusion here: You are a stubborn prick.

The problem is your ego is the size of California and Texas combined. I've noticed it with many comments you've made lately, and I just have let them slide, but it's pretty clear. I guess the first sign that you will double down and cult up with any belief regardless of the lack of logic behind it should have been the fact that your still a fervent Trump supporter lol.

My ego is fine. If you have a problem with my beliefs then convince everyone else your beliefs are superior. 

And what comments are you talking about. I would love to hear them of course.

Me supporting Trump has everything to do with the rigged and corrupt nature of Washington D.C.. People like you get blindsided by the media into Orangeman bad like a Nazi propaganda channel constantly spewing negative false shit.

Even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut, and a broken clock is right twice a day. Statistically, you are still going to be wrong more than you will be right. 

Your thoughts are based on the claim alone, devoid of context and thematic relevance, and the obvious one, behavior. I am afraid you will need a better case than that to get that lynch.

I am waiting for earth to popcorn claim, I can decide who or if I even want to lynch at all later. Again the game isn't even 24 hours old yet. What's your rush?

It's only throwing the game if you idiotically lynch the person caliming doc, watcher, cop etc. Which you of course would probably do and just blame them for the loss at the end of the game lol.

Don't get bored with vanillas claims then. Be the fix to the problem lol. There's so much potential with vanilla, fake leading mafia to believe you are a power role to draw the night kill, being able to scum hunt as vehemently as you want with little risk, etc. If you are town cop and playing extremely pro town you are much more likely to be night killed which hurts town. Vanilla is a free pass to play however you want and not fear the consequences. It's the best town role in the game. This site isn't like mafiascum, which is why I unfortunately cave to these role heavy games, but the point is that it could be just as good if we change our mentality about stuff.

Why can't scum slips also happen in a mass claim? Just curious how you think poly being new refutes the point about mass claiming lol.

I respect that you're doing this with a bigger picture in mind. Personally, I'm just thinking about how this game is going to play out, and I don't want to overcomplicate it by adding more fake claims. I suspect they won't go over well, but I concede your point that it teaches lessons for other games. I've certainly learned from my own mistakes.

I'll work with whatever we end up doing at this stage. If that means mass claiming, then I'll do it, though I still believe it's a mistake for the purposes of this game.

this isnt a political forum

Even statistics can be manipulated and be proven foolhardy with Independence in mind.

At least I plan on lynching. You would rather have us at an impasse and No Lynch.

Earth should not popcorn claim. I don’t have a rush. I’m simply asking you for your reads and behavioral analysis. 

Ya when someone town counterclaims and they say they’re the tracker. We gonna lynch the Tracker right? Who does that freaking help.

No pressure means you don’t play your best game. I work best when I’m under pressure which naturally comes via a role or later in the game when we have to lynch right.

Cause it’s a character not a role lol. You’re spoon feeding mafia their night actions on who to kill. I’m not gonna stand for it just like as always.

You can do whatever you want. If you want to engage in long thread discussions I will engage you on them out of principle. In any other forum, I could give two shits if Oro posts something an entire page long.

And what comments are you talking about. I would love to hear them of course.

I'm not reading any of that.

You randomly called me out a couple months ago in a sign ups thread or endgame saying I am a shitty mafia player or something like that when I never claimed to be an amazing player or anything.

That and just your general gloating in endgames, blaming your team when you get it wrong instead of taking any responsibility, instead of just saying GG and moving on. You have a sense of superiority in mafia, but you really just could use an ego check. 

You what my pet peev is? Make the same mistake over and over again. Earth in your game refused to listen to town when I asked him nicely. I lynched him and went into the next game with a clean slate. He did the same shit again by being anti-town. If you allowed me to continue here and Earth claimed properly I would be completely fine with it. 

He’s not just ruining the game for me, he’s ruining it for every other townie as well. But I’m stubborn. Sure.

Sure they can, drafter does it a lot too when trying to make his points. That's why I am not going to dig through every fucking mafia game in history to prove how many times millers were mislynched based on policy chasing. Luckily I think most people are smart enough these days not to pursue meta analysis like this, but this doesn't change the fact that as long as you keep your vote on people for poor reasoning it isn't going to further the day phase in any way. You keep asking me what I am doing, who I am lynching, like that justifies wasting the entire day phase keeping your vote on one person for a stupid thing. Check yourself first.

I never said that lol. I just said I hadn't decided on a lynch yet as it hasn't even been 24 hours yet and there is a mass claim in the works that needs to be accomplished first.

You haven't asked me for reads on any one person, you just asked me who I am lynching. As of right now I am lynching no one. You could try to rephrase that and ask my specific thoughts on a specific player if you wanted this to actually go anywhere. I'd be more than happy to provide thoughts on a player, even if they are limited due to the dp not even being a day old yet and 90% of the conversation being me and you responding to each other lol.

We are not mass claiming for roles, I am suggesting characters only. I said power roles should fake claim smartly. Meaning don't claim like ash or something stupid like that.

You can always play your best game, what role you are should have no bearing on how you play unless you are mafia. If you are town your goal should be to hunt and find scum. That goal shouldn't be alleviated because you are handed results on a silver platter.

Mafia can already do that pretty easily with 2-4 claims, when you consider they also know 2-3 mafia players can also be exlcuded from the town list. If you can't learn to scum hunt without pressing people for character claims, then at least punish mafia by locking them into a claim they may not be able to back up later with a role that makes any sense with their character.

Which just proves my point; You are more concerned with having the last word than you are with actually having a discussion that progresses the game. It's why I will ignore you a lot lately; you are more concerned with the appearance of being right. Generally your just repeating the same shit or not even addressing my argument though when you do it. Kind of boring when you always play into your own narrative, but you do you.

Earth literally complied the best way he knew how, and you got caught up in semantics. His wincon statement said he was vanilla town, which also happened to be his role. Earth complied exactly as was asked and town misunderstood him and punished him for it. And the not reading his claim correctly was such a retarded reason to lynch him. I happily boarded it because I was scum, but even as scum I defended how stupid that lynch was for a bit because that's what I would have done as town. One dimensional thinking results in mislynches that you can easily just pin the blame on the mislynchee while refusing to acknowledge or grow from it at all. 

I don’t even remember this lol. Which signup was it?

I’ve never called out my scum partner. I call out townies a lot for a lack of critical thinking like Grey did in your game. And then call out mods for shitty balance but that’s about it. If that’s ego to you, ok?

I can't find it I think it was like 5-7 months ago when I was a bit inactive. I remember you said I was over rated or something or saying I am not that good as some people thought or some shit. It was really out of nowhere, and I was on mobile so I never responded to it, just let it go, but it's when I noticed the ego first blooming. 

I mean at some point you have  to accept that town makes mistakes though. If you punish town mistakes every time by some strict meta standard its kind of on you when you fuck up on mislynch them because you were so stubborn and unwilling to see that town is capable of mistakes as well.