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@Wylted
What are your thoughts on the mass claim
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They know all the characters it’s even easier for them to pick the likely PRs to kill.
Assuming that bron is telling the truth they already know how to take out Ash, likely a significant PR. If bron is not telling the truth then lets kill him. I'm still fine with a mass character claim.
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@oromagi
Assuming that bron is telling the truth they already know how to take out Ash, likely a significant PR. If bron is not telling the truth then lets kill him. I'm still fine with a mass character claim.
Well there’s your vote. I don’t plan on claiming and I don’t think anyone else who hasn’t claimed yet should.
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@ILikePie5
There were 3 characters before you claimed. There is literally no point to popcorn cause it does virtually nothing. All it does is reveal who town power roles are, which are probably main characters
And a 4th was being pressured, with earth. Also evil genius would have likely been pressured due to inactivity. Too many claims. I would rather no one claim, but since you and other shitty players here rely on them so often for analysis because you can't behavioral read for shit, let's just get them out now and try to hurt mafia. When I am scum I absolutely fvcking love when there is like 3-4 claims dp1, gives me so much POE to work with. In the last game me and poly figured out the power roles relatively quickly because of this. We left wylted alive only because we wanted to try and mess with his results, but I called him as cop dp1, and knew he was cop for a fact dp2. The more POE you give scum to work with by pressuring people for claims, the more of an advantage you give them.
I didn’t see you scum reading anyone for behavior which is rather odd. What do you have against pressuring for claims. Disc SOP claimed and Bron claimed for no reason cause he’s a noob.
I explained above my problem with pressuring with claims, but yeah people on Dart rely on them too heavily and stop at a point where it is generally inconvienent for town. Regardless of why people claimed, or fi you disagree or agree with how they claimed, we have multiple claims and we are giving the scum team a lot of poe to work with. Why would you have a problem with turning the POE back into towns favor?
We were stopped at two claims until you decided to reveal you knew Oro’s character and posted your own character lol.
I asked publicly that we stop getting claims, or go full mass claim. Oro said he was going to continue with pushing claims, and earth already has a budding wagon. I said if one more claim is getting forced out we need to go full mass claim and substantiated why. And oro was basically claimed, his soft claim was extremely obvious. He linked a Singer with the name of misty, and an article with the word misty. The only time I have heard Misty as a persons name growing up was watching pokemon. If my dumb self can figure that out, then scum likely already did too.
How do you know the 4 people are town lol
I never said they were, though I know at least one of them (myself) is, and I buy the other 3. But I can turn that on you; how do you know they aren't? Assuming they are town, mafia gets a POE advantage with multiple claims.
No mass claim lol. You’re just helping mafia lol. They know all the characters it’s even easier for them to pick the likely PRs to kill.Your strategy is literally contradictory lmao
This argument is a petty "No u" devoid of logic. How about this; the day you figure out how to scum read people without relying on 3-4 character claims dp1, is the day I won't suggest we go forward with a mass claim. :)
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@ILikePie5
Well there’s your vote. I don’t plan on claiming and I don’t think anyone else who hasn’t claimed yet should.
Oh lord, so your gonna be that fucking guy. Let's just get this the fuck over with.
vtl pie
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@Lunatic
Especially when it comes to themes that I know very well, I tend to favor mass claiming because I tend to get the most from theme analysis. That would probably be the case here as well if I didn't notice two missing characters on the list that will most definitely give away their roles:
Nurse Joy
Officer Jenny
I don't think I need to explain what roles these characters are likely to have, or why it's important to keep them under wraps for the time being. Especially if we're buying the Professor Oak claim, we already have someone with a target on their back and we do not know how many protective roles we have. It would be one thing if we already had one of these character claims or if we were down to a small enough number of unclaimed people that we could already guess who was who, but I'm personally not on board with outing two of the most important PRs in this game.
I'm satisfied with the number of claims we have.
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@whiteflame
Especially when it comes to themes that I know very well, I tend to favor mass claiming because I tend to get the most from theme analysis. That would probably be the case here as well if I didn't notice two missing characters on the list that will most definitely give away their roles:Nurse JoyOfficer JennyI don't think I need to explain what roles these characters are likely to have, or why it's important to keep them under wraps for the time being. Especially if we're buying the Professor Oak claim, we already have someone with a target on their back and we do not know how many protective roles we have. It would be one thing if we already had one of these character claims or if we were down to a small enough number of unclaimed people that we could already guess who was who, but I'm personally not on board with outing two of the most important PRs in this game.I'm satisfied with the number of claims we have.unvote
In the case of those two characters I ecourage town to fake fake claim smartly.
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@Lunatic
And a 4th was being pressured, with earth. Also evil genius would have likely been pressured due to inactivity. Too many claims. I would rather no one claim, but since you and other shitty players here rely on them so often for analysis because you can't behavioral read for shit, let's just get them out now and try to hurt mafia.
Behavioral reads as you know literally dissipate into nothing as soon as the person claims something that isn’t vanilla. We have two claims worth pursuing right now in the Miller and Enabler.
When I am scum I absolutely fvcking love when there is like 3-4 claims dp1, gives me so much POE to work with.
You must love it even more when everyone has claimed right?
In the last game me and poly figured out the power roles relatively quickly because of this. We left wylted alive only because we wanted to try and mess with his results, but I called him as cop dp1, and knew he was cop for a fact dp2. The more POE you give scum to work with by pressuring people for claims, the more of an advantage you give them.
The irony in this man. Your plan gives all the characters and likely roles on a silver platter to scum.
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@Lunatic
Oh lord, so your gonna be that fucking guy. Let's just get this the fuck over with.vtl pie
6 people including me have not claimed yet. And even some of the people who have claimed haven’t said their opinion on a mass claim. Once you can get the votes I’ll happily sign onto your mass claim.
PRO MASS CLAIM
Oro
Lun
disc
drle
ANTI MASS CLAIM
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Wtflm
PRO MASS CLAIM
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bron
ANTI MASS CLAIM
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@oromagi
@Discipulus_Didicit
@drlebronski
PRO MASS CLAIMOroLundiscdrle
Disc and Bron haven’t said anything yet.
In the case of those two characters I ecourage town to fake fake claim smartly.
This just says all we need to know about Lunatic’s plan
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@ILikePie5
they've already claimed
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@ILikePie5
Behavioral reads as you know literally dissipate into nothing as soon as the person claims something that isn’t vanilla. We have two claims worth pursuing right now in the Miller and Enabler.
You and your policy lynching mentality is extremely frustrating, and shared by no one else. How often do millers turn out to be fake claiming? From my experience, very rarely. I am one of the few people ballsiest enough to try it, and last time I did it didn't work out for me. It's just extremely lazy play. You aren't explaining how the enabler claim is scummy. The miller and the enabler are just scummy for the sake of being scummy I guess? Good argument bro.
You must love it even more when everyone has claimed right?
Nope, like I said I love it when there are 3-4 non mafia claims that I can use to POE the remaining power roles. Scum already know that 2-3 (depending on balance) roles are them, add 3-4 characters you can pretty much deduce what characters are power roles out of those claims, and if none are you just hit between the rest of the list. You judge behavior in between that (who is acting like a cop, or looks like they are eager to get into the night phase for results etc etc) its easy to sus out who the power roles are. Might as well force mafia to lock in their character claims at the same time and work with POE, since scum have a much easier time POEing this.
The irony in this man. Your plan gives all the characters and likely roles on a silver platter to scum.
Blame yourself for being unable to scum hunt without pressuring policy lynches based on weak arguments for millers and enablers, and forcing claims out of people based on prior games. That's how you expose cops, etc. I am just saying if your gonna fuck town over at leasy try to fuck mafia over too.
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@ILikePie5
6 people including me have not claimed yet. And even some of the people who have claimed haven’t said their opinion on a mass claim. Once you can get the votes I’ll happily sign onto your mass claim.
You just said you weren't going to claim today. So are you taking that statement back if the majority is okay with the mass claim?
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@ILikePie5
This just says all we need to know about Lunatic’s plan
Yeah because you assume town is too stupid to do it? If you are right that is a bad reflection of Dart's town play. Millers should fake claim. Cops and docs pressed dp1 should fake claim. The only case for them revealing is if they are counter claimed and it would other wise lead to a mislynch. It's really not as over complicated as you make it sound.
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@Lunatic
You and your policy lynching mentality is extremely frustrating, and shared by no one else.
This is not true. Wylted agrees with me.
How often do millers turn out to be fake claiming? From my experience, very rarely. I am one of the few people ballsiest enough to try it, and last time I did it didn't work out for me.
Doesn’t really matter. Mods use it as a fake claim or don’t use it at all is the point.
It's just extremely lazy play. You aren't explaining how the enabler claim is scummy. The miller and the enabler are just scummy for the sake of being scummy I guess? Good argument bro.
Have you read the DP? Because there are a lot of reasons why both based on the knowledge we have could be suitable lynches.
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@Lunatic
Yeah because you assume town is too stupid to do it? If you are right that is a bad reflection of Dart's town play.
It would be anti-town to attempt to do that because you could be CCed instantly. And when you flip town as a freakin Cop wtf.
If you want a behavior game run a Vanilla game without a theme and without a bunch of roles.
Millers should fake claim. Cops and docs pressed dp1 should fake claim. The only case for them revealing is if they are counter claimed and it would other wise lead to a mislynch. It's really not as over complicated as you make it sound.
Only it’s anti-town when they’re CCed
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@Lunatic
You just said you weren't going to claim today. So are you taking that statement back if the majority is okay with the mass claim?
I don’t think you read my statement properly. I said I wouldn’t claim and I urged everyone else who hasn’t claimed to not claim either. If the votes are on me I’ll happily claim. Right now you are guaranteed only 2 votes.
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@Earth
@Wylted
@Vader
@Discipulus_Didicit
@Evilgenius
Please state your opinions on whether we should mass claim today.
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@ILikePie5
This is not true. Wylted agrees with me.
Let's talk like good players here; vets who know what they are doing and have years of practice... When we get in live mafia games and you start trying to policy lynch people you are ignored most of the time, because people realize the idea of lynching all millers is pretty retarded. It's an old meta that was made up by someone and only stuck around because you propegate it constantly. Truth is, millers are incredibly likely to exist in most dart games, and it's rare when they don't. The argument isn't all ad populum here, but the fact that you still push miller claims by cirtue of them being miller is frankly pretty idiotic.
Doesn’t really matter. Mods use it as a fake claim or don’t use it at all is the point.
They are used frequently enough that they shouldn't be discredited based on claim alone. It's a lazy lynch train that is usually devoid of behavioral analysis.
Have you read the DP? Because there are a lot of reasons why both based on the knowledge we have could be suitable lynches.
Why don't you provide your own reasoning for the independent lynches of them? Oro already pointed out that this definition of enabler doesn't suit what his recognized definition of enabler is, and I called him out on it already for being poor reasoning to lynch someone. Other than that I am not really seeing any real reason to lynch either the miller or enabler based on their claim alone. If anything the wagoning on them makes them look more town lol.
It would be anti-town to attempt to do that because you could be CCed instantly. And when you flip town as a freakin Cop wtf.
It's not anti town to do it. Key word "smartly". Don't claim something dumb that is likely to be counterable, but remove yourself as a night kill target. And pretty much ignore policy lynching mindset's like yours that want to lynch claimed cops because they attempted to fake claim for towns benefit. That would be my advice. :)
If you want a behavior game run a Vanilla game without a theme and without a bunch of roles.
I would love a game like that, few roles and vanilla heavy. The unfortunate thing is people here tend to get bored or disinterested without a night action. You yourself are one of these. The few times I've given you a non power role in my games you get bored and are less active, and have openly admitted to this in the past. Which feeds my point and rant a bit about how frustrating it is that players like you focus so much on role analysis that we have to resort to mass claiming. That and your god damn policy lynching which is absolutely retarded lol.
Only it’s anti-town when they’re CCed
If people like you are dumb enough to still lynch a claimed cop or doc after they've claimed. Maybe that is the current state of DART, but I hold hope that people would strive to be better and less lazy and actually try to invest time and effort into scum hunting.
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@ILikePie5
I don’t think you read my statement properly. I said I wouldn’t claim and I urged everyone else who hasn’t claimed to not claim either. If the votes are on me I’ll happily claim. Right now you are guaranteed only 2 votes.
Just don't be that fucking guy. If everyone has mass claimed except for you and you only didn't claim because there wasn't enough activity to vote you or something, I am gonna be pretty pissed off and just vig you or fuck with you as town until the day I die just for the sake of you being a petty asshole. Don't be a royalpaladin. We've dealt with enough of them over the years and it is pretty tiring.
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@Lunatic
In the case of those two characters I ecourage town to fake fake claim smartly.
I mean... do you trust that they will? If it's Evilgenius or Earth? I'm not trying to throw shade, but I'd actually prefer knowing who their actual characters are over forming wagons on town due to poorly executed fake claims.
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@Lunatic
Let's talk like good players here; vets who know what they are doing and have years of practice... When we get in live mafia games and you start trying to policy lynch people you are ignored most of the time, because people realize the idea of lynching all millers is pretty retarded. It's an old meta that was made up by someone and only stuck around because you propegate it constantly. Truth is, millers are incredibly likely to exist in most dart games, and it's rare when they don't. The argument isn't all ad populum here, but the fact that you still push miller claims by cirtue of them being miller is frankly pretty idiotic.
You’re not gonna change my opinion on this matter. I’ve already said I’m willing to lynch another alternative if it appears.
They are used frequently enough that they shouldn't be discredited based on claim alone. It's a lazy lynch train that is usually devoid of behavioral analysis.
It only takes once.
Why don't you provide your own reasoning for the independent lynches of them? Oro already pointed out that this definition of enabler doesn't suit what his recognized definition of enabler is, and I called him out on it already for being poor reasoning to lynch someone. Other than that I am not really seeing any real reason to lynch either the miller or enabler based on their claim alone. If anything the wagoning on them makes them look more town lol.
I’ve already posted my thoughts on the enabler claim from Bron and have even shared my thoughts with Oro on it.
You don’t want to lynch any of those already claimed. So who do you want to lynch? Me? For stopping this foolhardy mass claim plan? What’s the future? No Lynch?
It's not anti town to do it. Key word "smartly". Don't claim something dumb that is likely to be counterable, but remove yourself as a night kill target. And pretty much ignore policy lynching mindset's like yours that want to lynch claimed cops because they attempted to fake claim for towns benefit. That would be my advice. :)
So you want to risk a person throwing the game for town just so they don’t killed? Even if a Cop claims there are protective roles. There are Watchers, etc. It’s even worse to throw than to simply claim when pressured.
I would love a game like that, few roles and vanilla heavy. The unfortunate thing is people here tend to get bored or disinterested without a night action. You yourself are one of these.
I get bored when I am Vanilla. The fact is activity is already low to begin to with and it just makes it worse. You gotta deal with it. We both know this site ain’t like Mafiascum and other sites.
The few times I've given you a non power role in my games you get bored and are less active, and have openly admitted to this in the past.
Only telling the truth. But I still play to my win con even if I hate doing. Early on it’s not as fun, but when I’m alive later in the game it’s much much easier and fun. Just look at the last two or three games and compare it to someone else’s play like GP. My brainpower I feel is wasted in a vanilla game where we’re trying to find something that could be dumb. I’d rather watch Netflix
Which feeds my point and rant a bit about how frustrating it is that players like you focus so much on role analysis that we have to resort to mass claiming. That and your god damn policy lynching which is absolutely retarded lol.
I focus on both. I’ve never advocated for a mass claim unless I felt it would genuinely we helpful and not cause harm. You know that. We pressure people to get claims and sometimes if we’re right they’re put in a bad spot. Just look at Poly for example.
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@Lunatic
Just don't be that fucking guy. If everyone has mass claimed except for you and you only didn't claim because there wasn't enough activity to vote you or something, I am gonna be pretty pissed off and just vig you or fuck with you as town until the day I die just for the sake of you being a petty asshole. Don't be a royalpaladin. We've dealt with enough of them over the years and it is pretty tiring.
I don’t plan on it. Get the 6 votes and I’ll claim . Hell I’ll pressure everyone else to claim too. But somehow I doubt that everyone knows mass claiming is giving candy to a child
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@whiteflame
I mean... do you trust that they will? If it's Evilgenius or Earth? I'm not trying to throw shade, but I'd actually prefer knowing who their actual characters are over forming wagons on town due to poorly executed fake claims.
I mean I am blatantly telling them to if they are of those roles. If they don't then hopefully they learn from the mistake. We need to change what's meta and do what's appropriate in the situation, otherwise town will keep making the same mistakes. Noobs on mafiascum learn these lessons in their first games, why should it be any different on Dart?
I’m with Lunatic on this one ! After analyzing all the back and forth between you guys it’s wise for mass character claim because I’m sure all you experienced players are gonna sniff out scum if we do that.. let’s get some guys to get on board and go ahead with that plan ..
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@Lunatic
I mean I am blatantly telling them to if they are of those roles. If they don't then hopefully they learn from the mistake. We need to change what's meta and do what's appropriate in the situation, otherwise town will keep making the same mistakes. Noobs on mafiascum learn these lessons in their first games, why should it be any different on Dart?
No. We teach them to tell the truth about their character and role even if it’s a Cop or a Doc especially in a role madness game. Roles are gonna exist that can help out other roles.
If it’s a Vanilla game, you claim vanilla. Pretty simple lol
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@Evilgenius
I’m with Lunatic on this one ! After analyzing all the back and forth between you guys it’s wise for mass character claim because I’m sure all you experienced players are gonna sniff out scum if we do that.. let’s get some guys to get on board and go ahead with that plan ..
What? This doesn’t make sense.
Lunatic wants all of town to claim so scum is forced to fake claim because 4 townies have already revealed their characters
I don’t want that to happen because I want to keep scum guessing on who out of the 6 players assuming the 4 claimed are town are scum without having character information.