section 8 should be changed to loans for developing shelter for poor people, not paying rents

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why are we paying people's rent, when we could be building lots of shelters? i dont know the costs involved, but this could be building more apartments at the most, or it could just be building boarding houses like we used to have a long time ago. it doesn't cost a lot to give people shelter. we could give zero percent loans for the private sector to build and maintain those shelters, and instead of writing open checks, the government gets paid back. this would involve going against the left who wants to pay everyone's rent and the other part of the left who is opposed to opening development to the low income. of course, this is opposed to the right too, who doesn't want government involved in housing. 

instead of just paying people's rent, we could make shelter affordable for a lot more people. people pay what they can afford, income based. homeless people get first dibs on new shelters.... homelessness would be cut drastically as a portion of their meager income is next to nothing. 
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how about neither? im economically center but public housing is an issue that i take the capitalist side of
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so you dont care that housing is so unaffordable? 
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I care, its one of the most important issues, but none of your solutions would fix it
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why are we paying people's rent, when we could be building lots of shelters?   i dont know the costs involved,
Well, there's the rub.  It turns out that paying a fair market rental fee minus 30% of the renter's income is far cheaper and allows for much greater upward mobility than simply warehousing people in large public shelters.  Large public shelters look cheaper in the short term but shelters tend to concentrate and increase a lot of social problems- disease, assault, rape, theft, drugs all go way, way up when you put a lot people together in a public shelter. Concentration of social problems is then magnified by community resistance to such shelters.  As much as govts try to spread the shelters out, each individual target community fights back hard with the result that homeless shelters tend to concentrate in one or two parts of town, creating little communities of concentrated social problems.

According to experts opinions like Colorado Coalition for the Homeless, just the cost of managing the increased social problems created by shelters exceeds the cost of paying rent for that population.

Here in Denver, the number of available shelter beds has far exceeded the number of people sleeping out of doors for better than 20 years.  The shelters never fill up except when it is very wet or very cold because the majority prefer sleeping outdoors to sleeping in a shelter.  Bedbugs and lice are endemic and without unless policed constantly, very noisy, disruptive, even violent. 

70% of the 5 million recipients of section 8 are unemployable- elderly, children, and the disabled.  Most of the remaining 30% are taking care of that 70%.  The public cost of exposing millions of elderly, children, and disabled people to all that disease and disorder and then trying to treat all the new problems created (when any good doctor would first recommend isolating and securing these vulnerable populations- preferably using some spread out, well-managed, and cost-effective solution like section 8 housing) far exceeds the present solution.

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well argued... i am reconsidering my position. 
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so what's ur solution? or do you aknowledge that you have no solutions? 
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how about building lots of subsidized apartments and just having managers with no profit motive? the idea is creating a supply given the lack of supply. or do you think that the 'projects' are just as bad as boarding houses and shelters as far as societal problems? 
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a lot of the housing crisis is caused by predatory capitalism, just look at the blackrock situation, the more a hedge fund is involved in a market, the more the market suffers.

the second is a trend with all of the american economy where wage is decoupling and stagnating. The wages dont match with productivity and you cant buy houses anymore 

those are the main two factors, 
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I was just going to say the same thing as oromagi. Kinda wierd seeing him advocate the correct position here, since he usually just pisses on poor people.