I tried to Mathematically Determine the best MMA Heavyweights of all time.

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I decided to try and decipher the best MMA heavyweights of all time using the long and rich 31-year history of Fight Matrix rankings.

For my points system, if a fighter was ranked in the top 10 in a quarterly ranking published by Fight Matrix, they would receive at least 1 point. The full points scheme is listed below...

1st place - 15 points
2nd place - 12 points
3rd place - 9 points
4th place - 7 points
5th place - 6 points
6th place - 5 points
7th place - 4 points
8th place - 3 points
9th place - 2 points
10th place - 1 point



The final results can be seen below...

1. Fedor Emelianenko - 514
2. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira - 418
3. Junior dos Santos - 372
4. Cain Velasquez - 368
5. Fabricio Werdum - 350
6. Stipe Miocic - 324
7. Josh Barnett - 259
8. Alistair Overeem - 233
9. Bas Rutten - 187
10. Randy Couture - 184
Semmy Schilt - 176
Daniel Cormier - 176
Brock Lesnar - 173
Francis Ngannou - 170
Mark Hunt - 165
Mirko Filipovic - 154
Frank Mir - 151
Yuki Kondo -137
Andrei Arlovski - 133
Mark Coleman - 130
Masakatsu Funaki - 113
Derrick Lewis - 91
Curtis Blaydes - 85
Tim Sylvia - 82
Antonio Silva - 80
Travis Browne - 63
Guy Mezger - 61
Jason DeLucia - 61
Alexander Volkov - 57
Ryan Bader - 51
Pedro Rizzo - 45
Kiuma Kunioku - 43
Kiyoshi Tamura - 41
Ricco Rodriguez - 41
Gilbert Yvel - 37
Dan Henderson - 36
Ben Rothwell - 34
Dan Severn - 33
Gabriel Gonzaga - 33
Shane Carwin - 32
Vitor Belfort - 31
Jairzinho Rozenstruik - 31
Ricardo Morais - 26
Gary Goodridge - 24
Kevin Randleman - 24
Ken Shamrock - 23
Igor Vovchanchyn - 23
Assuerio Silva - 23
Keiichiro Yamamiya - 22
Renato Sobral - 22
Ciryl Gane - 18
Valentijn Overeem - 17
Heath Herring - 15
Sergei Kharitonov - 14
Magomedkhan Gamzatkhanov - 13    (great name)
Jason Godsey - 13
Ryushi Yanagisawa - 13
Cheick Kongo - 13
Tariel Bitsadze - 12
Brett Rodgers - 12
Ron Waterman - 10
Evan Tanner - 9
Tsuyoshi Kosaka - 9
Frank Shamrock - 8
Vladimir Matyushenko - 8
Wanderlei Silva - 8
Maurice Smith - 7
Lyoto Machida - 7
Jeremy Horn - 6
Kazuhiro Nakamura - 6
Osami Shibuya - 4
Kazuyuki Fujita - 4
Akira Shoji - 3
Alexey Oleynik - 3
Manabu Yamada - 2
Vitaly Minakov - 2
Oleg Taktarov - 1
Vernon White - 1
Carlos Barreto - 1
Leon van Dijk - 1
Bob Stines - 1
Sanae Kikuta - 1
Brendan Schaub - 1
Roy Nelson - 1
Muhammed Lawal - 1
Matt Mitrione - 1
Marcin Tybura - 1

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Is the point of the list to make an argument for who would have been best of all time during their prime? If so I might disagree with that argument
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No, not really. The main point was to try and decipher who left behind the most impressive legacy. If we were to try and figure out the best heavyweights based off their skill during their prime years, I'm sure guys like Bas Rutten would drop a lot. The sport has evolved significantly overtime, and I'm sure great heavyweights of old would struggle a lot against modern fighters. My points system measures a fighter's legacy, with points being accumulated by remaining in the top 10 for an extended period of time.

That is why guys like Daniel Cormier score so poorly. Even though he was an incredible athlete in his prime, his time in the heavyweight division was relatively short, resulting in a ranking on par with guys like Frank Mir.

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Stipe and prime Cain are/were better than JDS
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Brock Lesnar should get extra points for becoming the heavyweight champ with a colon disease. He had to get like a foot of his colon removed after he became the heavyweight champ
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Mark Hunt is not a more impressive father than Vitor Belfort
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MMA math doesn't really work out because you get things like A>B>C>A
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Mark Hunt is not a more impressive father than Vitor Belfort
I meant fighter. 
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Stipe and prime Cain are/were better than JDS
I agree, if it were up to me, Cain would easily rank above JDS. The points system was incredibly generous to JDS because he stuck around for a long period of time and was able to compete with top level opposition through it all.

Mark Hunt is not a more impressive fighter than Vitor Belfort
As a heavyweight, Mark Hunt is definitely more accomplished. Vitor did some awesome stuff at middleweight, I do not deny that, but he never really did much at heavyweight. Don't get me wrong, if I were to make a list of the best pound for pound mixed martial artists of all time, athletes like Vitor Belfort and Dan Henderson would be way higher than Mark Hunt, but I think my points system was correct when placing Hunt above those guys in the heavyweight division.
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"As a heavyweight, Mark Hunt is definitely more accomplished. Vitor did some awesome stuff at middleweight..."
  Yeah you're right I forgot it was about heavyweight 
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I mean I guess the list is interesting but it doesn't really mean much to me lol.

What did you think of the Ciryl Gane / Derrick Lewis Fight last night?
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I know the crowd wasn't digging the fight, but I thought Gane was remarkable. He was incredibly evasive, purposeful, and intelligent from my POV. Lewis never really had Gane in trouble at all, it was simply an impressive performance from every angle.
If I'm being completely honest, I think I would bet on Gane if he were to ever fight Ngannou, which he probably will.
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I know the crowd wasn't digging the fight, but I thought Gane was remarkable. He was incredibly evasive, purposeful, and intelligent from my POV. Lewis never really had Gane in trouble at all, it was simply an impressive performance from every angle.
If I'm being completely honest, I think I would bet on Gane if he were to ever fight Ngannou, which he probably will.
Agree on all. I too think Gane looks good fighting Ngannou. 

The crowd booing was just because Derek Lewis was from Houston and was getting beat up bad lol. 

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Any thoughts?
I think they are drew a blank.
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mike tyson his the best!
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mike tyson his the best!
Mohammad Ali even better!