The 2020 election wasn't "rigged"

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There's 0 evidence besides trump's tweets and all the other "evidence'' has been debunked.
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Trump's feelings don't care about your facts.
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Define, "rigged"?
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My definition is--- manipulated to give one side victory
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Well, the media certainly manipulated public perception against Trump, given that they hated him.
'Even if it was justified, the slant existed.
So it seemed to me, in my general viewing of the media.
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what did they do to manipulate perception? if its bias in reporting a study showed that is no liberal bias in news reporting https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7112764/ but i could be wrong.
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also an article about how trump himself manipulates media https://www.vox.com/mischiefs-of-faction/2016/9/26/13061494/trump-media-manipulation
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If you 'reference a part of the article, I'll find it easier to have my mind changed.
Only part that leaps out at me is,
"In short, journalists are overwhelmingly liberal/Democrats"

"According to an October 2020 article by The Hill, at least 119 newspaper editorials endorsed Biden, while only 6 endorsed Trump. While being a left-leaning publication does not disqualify a publication from providing objective media coverage, it means that the American media establishment has essentially become an extension of the Biden-Harris campaign. If a media outlet endorses a campaign, then that outlet should not be trusted to report objectively, because it is in its interest to promote the candidate it endorses."

The media 'hated Trump, for obvious reasons, the entire left did, 'always with the Late Night Talk Shows, the hosts, the straight criticism and disdain, and their clear it's not funny, I'm serious about how much of a problem this guy is to me.

also an article about how trump himself manipulates media https://www.vox.com/mischiefs-of-faction/2016/9/26/13061494/trump-media-manipulation - drlebronski
Ah yes, one man, standing alone against the corrupt giant of media conglomerate. . . I'm joking.
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I think we can find some agreement. i do agree that there are quite a few biased news sources. But Trump and most of his followers call every news station that isn't fox news "fake news"
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A common drift of Trump and a section of his supporters, yes. To claim fake news, when not.
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This speech by Trump on Jan. 6 should be considered criminal.

"Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that's what this is all about. And to use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with: We will stop the steal. Today I will lay out just some of the evidence proving that we won this election and we won it by a landslide. This was not a close election."

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The 2020 election wasn't "rigged"
RIGGED is "Pre-arranged and fixed so that the winner or outcome is decided in advance"

The 2020 was certainly rigged by the Republican Party.  Only GOP incompetence and the largest turnout in US history rescued the presidency.

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Define, "rigged"?

RIGGED is "Pre-arranged and fixed so that the winner or outcome is decided in advance"

The 2020 was certainly rigged by the Republican Party.  Only GOP incompetence and the largest turnout in US history rescued the presidency.


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How did the Republican party, rig the election?
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Media bias undermined the 2020 election - Hillsdale Collegian
"According to an October 2020 article by The Hill, at least 119 newspaper editorials endorsed Biden, while only 6 endorsed Trump. While being a left-leaning publication does not disqualify a publication from providing objective media coverage, it means that the American media establishment has essentially become an extension of the Biden-Harris campaign. If a media outlet endorses a campaign, then that outlet should not be trusted to report objectively, because it is in its interest to promote the candidate it endorses."

I would expect the editors of a school newspaper, even for a private, conservative college with only 1500 undergrads, to know more about journalistic ethics than to suppose that endorsement=subjective bias in reporting.

Fox News did not endorse Trump for President in either 2016 or 2020.  Neither did any of Rupert Murdoch's papers including the NY Post and the Wall St. Journal. When the Wall St Journal won't endorse the Republican candidate for President, the problem is the candidate not the liberalism of the Wall St Journal.  The Texas Observer, the most conservative newspaper in Texas, refused to endorse Trump.  The AZ Republic had an unbroken string of Republican endorsements for President of 126 years before Trump came along.  It's not like any of these papers are endorsing Democrats for Senate or the House, because they are not.  It's not like they aren't endorsing the conservative side of voting referendums.  It's just that Donald Trump is a terrible candidate for any office.  Newspaper editors, whatever their personal politics, can't spend decades reporting about what a liar and a thief Donald Trump is and then credibly support his candidacy for office.  No.  Thieves make bad presidents.  Responsible journalist ought never endorse thieves for president.

Let's further recall that Trump couldn't even secure the endorsement of any prior Republican candidate for president- Romney, McCain, both Bushes begged America not to elect this guy.  If Trump couldn't get the support of his own partisan core, why would anybody expect more support from more objective outsiders?

The media 'hated Trump, for obvious reasons, the entire left did, 'always with the Late Night Talk Shows, the hosts, the straight criticism and disdain, and their clear it's not funny, I'm serious about how much of a problem this guy is to me.
Obviously, late night talk show hosts can't get away with that kind of obvious subjectivity unless it pleases the majority.  The overwhelming majority of Americans hated Trump- always have.  Probably the best known candidate to ever run for  the office and easily the most despised.

also an article about how trump himself manipulates media https://www.vox.com/mischiefs-of-faction/2016/9/26/13061494/trump-media-manipulation - drlebronski
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More like one corrupt man incompetently manipulating the media.   Let's recall that in 1990 he was forced to testify under oath that he posed as fictitious people to offer recommendations, endorsements, authentications of facts.  He used fake names to get on Forbes lists and called in to talk shows using fake names to talk about what a chick magnet he was.  Everybody knew Trump was sick fuck decades before he ran for the presidency- no responsible editor would put his name behind that creep.

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I would expect the editors of a school newspaper, even for a private, conservative college with only 1500 undergrads, to know more about journalistic ethics than to suppose that endorsement=subjective bias in reporting. - oromagi
For information of a person, scenario, event to be indicative of possible meaning, it doesn't need to be =.
It's a drop on the scales, not flipping them over, but adding to the measurement.

The overwhelming majority of Americans hated Trump- always have.  Probably the best known candidate to ever run for  the office and easily the most despised. - oromagi
Always?

Long seemed to me from the start of his presidency, that the Left and the Media, showed their hand, their bias, and opposition to Trump too strong.
If they'd exercised a bit of restraint, tact, I think they could have won over the people sooner.
It's of no congratulations to the Left or Media, that Trump is lower than ever.

If not for Covid appearing out of nowhere,
If not for Trumps ill handling of his election,
He'd 'still have had enough support to win election, seems to me.

Ahh, the Democrats, always fixed on impeachment, the media dragging out every corpse and skeleton under then sun, and additional ones where there weren't any.
They sabotaged themselves, they're just lucky Trump met a natural disaster, and his 'own self sabotage.

Sure the election Trump wins was the most sabotaged election of all time, but Biden's win is swept under the rug, no questions asked, the 'most 'secure of all time.
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How did the Republican party, rig the election?
  •  Trump solicited foreign interference in the 2020 U.S. presidential election to help his re-election bid, and then obstructed the inquiry itself by telling his administration officials to ignore subpoenas for documents and testimony. A 2019 impeachment inquiry reported that Trump withheld military aid and an invitation to the White House to Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky in order to influence Ukraine to announce an investigation into Trump's political opponent Joe Biden and to promote a discredited conspiracy theory that Ukraine, not Russia, was behind interference in the 2016 presidential election.
  • Trump's own Director of National Intelligence advised:  
    • "We assess that Russian President Putin authorized, and a range of Russian government organizations conducted, influence operations aimed at denigrating President Biden’s candidacy and the Democratic Party, supporting former President Trump, undermining public confidence in the electoral process, and exacerbating sociopolitical divisions in the US. Unlike in 2016, we did not see persistent Russian  cyber efforts to gain access to election infrastructure. …
    • A key element of Moscow’s strategy this election cycle was its use of proxies linked to Russian intelligence to push influence narratives — including misleading or unsubstantiated allegations against President Biden — to US media organizations, US officials, and prominent US individuals, including some close to former President Trump and his administration."

  • The US Supreme Court and Republicans in the State Legislature of Wisconsin rebuffed Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers's request to move the state's spring elections to June. As a result, the elections, which included a presidential primary, went ahead on April 7 as planned.
    • Trump and his campaign strongly opposed mail-in voting in spite of the ongoing pandemic emergency, claiming that it would cause widespread voter fraud, a belief which had already been thoroughly  debunked by the administration own election experts.  "We'll see what happens, Trump said, "Get rid of the ballots and you'll have a very peaceful – there won't be a transfer, frankly. There will be a continuation."
    • In other words, Republicans tried to force election venues into conditions that violated the administration's own public sanitation and quarantine recommendations, believing that fear of infection would drive down voter turnout to Republican's benefit.
  • During the campaign Trump repeatedly promised to refuse to recognize the outcome of the election if he was defeated; Trump falsely suggested that the election would be rigged against him.  Trump refused to answer whether he would accept the results.   Trump repeatedly refused to commit to a peaceful transition of power after the election.
  • Trump repeatedly stated that he hoped that the Supreme Court would (unconstitutionally) decide the election and that he wanted a conservative majority in case of an election dispute.
    • To this end, Republicans expedited the October nomination of Judge Amy Coney Barrett to the Court in spirt of hypocritically and vehemently refusing a February nomination before the previous election.
  • Trump repeatedly stated that the election should be unconstitutionally postponed or skipped.
  • Trump appointed Postmaster General Louis DeJoy  introduced a host of new measures deigned to slow and break the mail-in voting process,  including banning overtime and extra trips to deliver mail,  and dismantling and removing hundreds of high-speed mail sorting machines from postal centers in Democratic strongholds.  Postal delivery still hasn't recovered from these interferences.
    • 7% of all ballots that arrived in postal facilities before the election went uncounted because of Post Office delays.
      • Mail-in ballots overwhelming favored Biden.
  • Trump has refused to nominate any new members to the Federal Election Commission, the division of Govt. charged with enforcing fair elections and campaign financing rules. 
    • Simultaneously, Republicans submitted hundreds legal of lawsuits  relating to the election had been filed.   About 250 of these had to do with the mechanics of voting in relation to the COVID-19 pandemic.
    • That is, Trump manufactured a backlog of complaints while also guaranteeing that backlog could not be addressed by Federal means- forcing suits into State courts where GOP lawyers hoped to create the illusion of wrong-doing.
  • When called on to denounce political intimidation by White Supremacists during a presidential  debate, Trump told White Supremacists to "stand by."
  • After the election, Trump ominously fired the Sec. of Defense and a number of key DoD and replaced them with loyal inner party members- a clear attempt to seek military alternatives.
  • After Nov. 10th, Trump's cabinet and personal lawyers collectively advised Trump that all legal remedies had been expended and that all further attempts to change the election's outcome would be illegal and therefore treason.
  • Trump began firing officials for confirming the election results or initiating procedures for the orderly transfer of power.
  • Trump ordered officials to submit budgets for 2022 and fired officials who complained that was a waste of taxpayer money.
  • Republicans filed 86 lawsuits questioning the outcome of the Presidential (most after Trump had been advised that they could not change the election's outcome).  Most of which depended on wildly unstained conspiracy theories, most of which originated with QAnon.  QAnon's website, 8kun, had been moved to Russian networks in October to protect its owners from US and Filipino criminal investigations.
    • "Nearly all the suits were dismissed or dropped due to lack of evidence.  Judges, lawyers, and other observers described the suits as "frivolous" and "without merit".  In one instance, the Trump campaign and other groups seeking his reelection collectively lost multiple cases in six states on a single day.  Only one ruling was initially in Trump's favor: the timing within which first-time Pennsylvania voters must provide proper identification if they wanted to “cure” their ballots. This ruling affected very few votes,  and it was later overturned by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court."
    • On March 22, 2021, lawyers for [Trump's lead election lawyer, Sidney Powell, who was responsible for filing most of these lawsuits]  argued that "no reasonable person would conclude that the statements by Powell about the 2020 election were truly statements of fact". Instead, “it was clear to reasonable persons that Powell’s claims were her opinions and legal theories"
      • That is, in court, Trump's own lawyers have since argued that Trump's fraud claims were obviously fictional.
  • Trump and other prominent Republicans illegally pressured Republican campaign officials in at least 4 states, GA, MI, AZ, and PA to delay certification past the deadline, decertify legal votes, and manufacture non-existent.
  • In at least one state, WI, Trump supporters physically interrupted and delayed vote counts.
  •  Trump supporters threatened election officials, their staff, and families  in at least 8 states including WI, PA, MI, NV, and AZ via emails, telephone calls and letters.
    • Many communications included death threats.
    • Multiple election officials required police protection and/or family relocation
      • Trump attorney Joseph diGenova argued on Fox News that Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency Director Chris Kreb should be taken out and shot for certifying the election.
      • The AZ Republican Party repeatedly tweeted that Republicans needed "die for" and "give their life" to protect Donald Trump's incumbency
  • Republican Congressmen filed a lawsuit requesting an unconstitutional finding by a Federal Judge that the Vice President maintained sole authority to certify the election.
  • Trump unconstitutionally ordered AG Barr to request from SCOTUS an injunction delaying the certification of the election.  When the AG refused, Trump fired Barr and ordered the same from acting AG Rosen who likewise refused.
  • Beginning in January, Trump asked, then demanded, then ordered Vice President Pence, both in public and in private,  to overturn the election results and declare Trump-Pence the winners of the election.
  • LIz Cheney:
    • "On January 6, 2021 a violent mob attacked the United States Capitol to obstruct the process of our democracy and stop the counting of presidential electoral votes. This insurrection caused injury, death and destruction in the most sacred space in our Republic.  The President of the United States summoned this mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame of this attack. Everything that followed was his doing. None of this would have happened without the President. The President could have immediately and forcefully intervened to stop the violence. He did not. There has never been a greater betrayal by a President of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution."
    • Trump supporters interrupted and explicitly called for the end of the constitutionally mandated  election certification
      • Insurrectionist explicitly demanded the death of the Vice President and the Speaker of the House (2nd and 3rd in power).  
  • Trump's lawyer Giuliani was recorded pressuring Republican Senators to illegally postpone their constitutional mandated responsibility:
    • "we need you, our Republican friends, to try to just slow it down ... So if you could object to every state and, along with a congressman, get a hearing for every state, I know we would delay you a lot, but it would give us the opportunity to get the legislators who are very, very close to pulling their vote ... they have written letters asking that you guys adjourn and send them back the questionable ones and they'll fix them up"
  • After the insurrection, 7 GOP Senators and 138 Republican House members objected to certifying AZ and PA without presenting any substantive cause.
  • Trump conceded the election on Jan 7th but has since reneged on that concession on dozens of occasions, suggesting the election was stolen, unconstitutionally claiming that he is the rightful President, and predicting an re-instatement by late Summer.
    • AZ State Senators illegally surrendered custody of all 2020 Maricopa County ballots to an ad-hoc rag-tag of QAnon conspiracy theorists with Trump's full throated approval, anticipating a manufactured counterclaim in AZ.
    • Multiple Republicans continue to advocate for further coup attempts or other violence to reverse the election results.

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That's a lot of words, I thought the Democrats tried to impeach him on the Ukraine thing already, and he was found innocent/acquitted?
Too bad they didn't try the censure option, 'had to go for the impeachment, and try to overturn the election of Trump to the presidency.

Or was that the one he 'was impeached on, they all blend together for me, really.

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"So if in-person voting is safe, then why are Democrats pushing belated and risky changes toward all-mail balloting in key states?
The answer is quite simple: Democrats believe that all-mail voting will boost the political chances of Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and sow chaos and uncertainty in case of a victory by President Trump."

"Democrats claim there is little evidence of fraud associated with all mail-in ballots. Don’t buy it. There is plenty of evidence of election crimes and administrative errors associated with mail-in voting.
Look no further than a recent New York congressional primary, when Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s late shift to mail-in voting led to chaos. Election officials disqualified thousands of ballots for not having timely postmarks and the election was not certified for six weeks."

"Problems with mail-in voting are not new. In 2005, the bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform found mass voting by mail remains “the largest source of potential voter fraud.”"


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  • Trump repeatedly stated that he hoped that the Supreme Court would (unconstitutionally) decide the election and that he wanted a conservative majority in case of an election dispute.
    • To this end, Republicans expedited the October nomination of Judge Amy Coney Barrett to the Court in spirt of hypocritically and vehemently refusing a February nomination before the previous election.
Well that's just politics, it's not 'nice, maybe bad long term strategy, but politics.

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  • Mail-in ballots overwhelming favored Biden.
Something that the Democrats 'intended, I'm sure.

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Eh, whether Trump transferred power 'gracefully, is a different question.

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insurrection, coup, bah.
Riot at most, and only for those who 'entered the building, not the thousands voicing their opinions 'outside.
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If they'd exercised a bit of restraint, tact, I think they could have won over the people sooner.
Trump has never had the people.  He has never,  in any legit opinion poll, election, or survey of opinion, captured 50+% support.  He has maintained a vital voting block of elderly, disenfranchised, ill informed and mostly racist support within the Republican Party which he has leveraged effectively into an authoritarian grip on the GOP but at his most popular, Trump never enjoyed better than 41% support nationally.  Trump is the only president in the history of polling whose disapproval rating consistently surpassed his approval rating throughout the course of his presidency (He maintained approval over disapproval during his first 3 days in office.  Once he fired the Attorney General on day 3, he never got it back).

It cannot be fairly said that Trump ever had the people so it can't be fairly said that the media ever needed to win the people from him.
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Popular vote
Biden                                    Trump
81,268,924                         74,216,154

'That's an unpopular support of Trump?
After 'all his errors?
'That's the best the Democratic nominee could do?

'That's something to say, well, we handled that fine?
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Lemmings motto, please dont dumpet it on Trumpet.

The only election rigging going on was by Trumpet and his Trumpeteers misinformation campagin that started with the lies long before 2020 election began.  In fact, I think it is very rare that the Trumpet has not ever lied and misled anyone in his whole life, only  to place his narrcisst all-for-Trumpet and Trumpet-for-Trumpet, ego based plans into action.

That Trumpeteers are still in denial of Trumpets psychosis to incite violence  reflects their degree of psychosis  leanings.

Bosnian wars saw how people could turn off the empathy centers of their brain,  when it came to how they then  began to treat their former friendly neighbors, now as enemy to be preyed upon.

That Trumpet should  be in prison is not seen by Trumpeteers, cause they know they themselves are not far from being able to turn off their empathy centers in the brain with just enough support from authority and friends etc.   I see them around and many are just aching to pack on side arm and go shoot some, people of color, or strange { to them } religion, or political party members who disagree with their non-sense { Ex Trumpet }.

Of the 74 million who voted for Trumpet, USA has shown the degree of pyshosis that is just simmering underneath a facade of civility. Are they nutty?  Lets just say, that, I can see M.A.Destruction { NUTS } within USA blowing its cap-ital off an time in near years ahead.  Trumpet just brought out those with a  semi-bad nature to the surface.

All-for-one and one-for-all, or curtains for humanity by 2232. 

3{ triangulation i.e. to get a fix on something } times 66.4 { Pi-TIme } times speed-of-radiation = human population on Earth at approximately 2015.

Add 210 years { 7 generations ie. old indian saying } to the above resultant value = year 2232.












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That Trumpet should  be in prison is not seen by Trumpeteers,
Trump ought not being in prison, has more to do with technicalities.
Example, his find me X many more votes, need not be interpreted as lie and 'claim I have votes I don't have, but as are you sure you counted right?

I don't support the political platform of the Left, as I see it.
Though Trump would not be in my top hundred people, I'd choose to be president.

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That's a lot of words,
Obviously, there's plenty more.  I'm just surveying the Wikipedia bullet points, really.

I thought the Democrats tried to impeach him on the Ukraine thing already, and he was found innocent/acquitted?
Yeah, that's too bad because that's so  amazingly wrong and the event was so recent and well publicized.  I think a lot of Trump supporters are just willfully misinformed.

  • In fact, Trump was impeached and a trial convened in the Senate.  The Republican controlled Senate refused to call any witnesses or review any evidence of any kind.
    • The most relevant eye-witness to the criminal charge, NSA Director John Bolton, referred to the Trump-Zelensky call as "drug deal" and Guiliani as a hand-grenade trying to blow them all up and confirmed that Trump was guilty as fuck of the charges laid against him.
    • So if the DA decides to press charges but then the Judge, who happens to be the defendant's next door neighbor, declares a mistrial without even allowing the DA to make opening remarks is that innocence?  No.  Isn't that just obvious corruption , in the case of this impeachment corruption performed on live TV?  Trump and McConnell counted on folks like you to not give a damn about corruption and it looks like you delivered.
    • So, let's add Republican's corrupt disinterest in the truth to the long list of ways Republicans unfairly rigged the 2020 Election.
Too bad they didn't try the censure option, 'had to go for the impeachment, and try to overturn the election of Trump to the presidency.
  • Well, Trump essentially admitted that he did the crime and it was certainly the worst crime any President has ever been officially accused of (before Jan 6th of course) - fucking with an ally's military relief during wartime in the hopes of forcing fake investigations against his political opponent?  Makes Nixon look like a boy scout.  Censure really didn't cut it and Dems already knew that the GOP wasn't interested in confirming the truth.   Better to just go down in recorded history as the party that sided with Justice.
Or was that the one he 'was impeached on, they all blend together for me, really.


"So if in-person voting is safe, then why are Democrats pushing belated and risky changes toward all-mail balloting in key states?
The answer is quite simple: Democrats believe that all-mail voting will boost the political chances of Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and sow chaos and uncertainty in case of a victory by President Trump."

"Democrats claim there is little evidence of fraud associated with all mail-in ballots. Don’t buy it. There is plenty of evidence of election crimes and administrative errors associated with mail-in voting.
Look no further than a recent New York congressional primary, when Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s late shift to mail-in voting led to chaos. Election officials disqualified thousands of ballots for not having timely postmarks and the election was not certified for six weeks."

"Problems with mail-in voting are not new. In 2005, the bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform found mass voting by mail remains “the largest source of potential voter fraud.”"

Let's take Jim Jordan's first premise, 

  • in-person voting is safe
    • Starting in March 2020, the CDC and really all healthcare professionals  began recommending alternatives to in-person voting because in-person voting was not safe.  Republican and Democratic Governors alike were scrambling to postpone primaries and roll out safe ways to vote because everywhere that primaries were held, coronavirus cases spiked 3 weeks later.  It wasn't just Democrats, it was also all non-Trump Americans trying to keep fellow Americans safe, including health officials reporting directly to Trump.
    • Trump's (and Trumpists like Jordan's) efforts to invalidate mail-in voting translated into millions of Americas still voting in-person on Nov. 3rd.
    • Three weeks later, just as Fauci and the CDC and experts everywhere predicted, America experienced the first really massive spike in infections, - 180,000 new cases per day which eventually became about 3,272 mostly preventable deaths daily, nearly triple the Nov 3rd rate of infection and disproportionately impacting Republican voters.
  • Trump repeatedly stated that he hoped that the Supreme Court would (unconstitutionally) decide the election and that he wanted a conservative majority in case of an election dispute.
    • To this end, Republicans expedited the October nomination of Judge Amy Coney Barrett to the Court in spirt of hypocritically and vehemently refusing a February nomination before the previous election.
Well that's just politics, it's not 'nice, maybe bad long term strategy, but politics.
  • In Putin's Russia maybe.  In America, we prefer for Republicans and Democrats to apply the same standards and play by the same set of rules, whichever party is power.
    • It is clear that Republicans don't believe in that principle anymore, but that's not okay or patriotic.
    • Democrats are trying hard now to  get bipartisan legislation passed and are so far resisting perfectly legal remedies that would knock the GOP out of power, maybe forever, including dumping the filibuster, packing the Supreme Court, and adding new States while cognizant that the Republicans are no longer likewise constrained by core values.
  • Mail-in ballots overwhelming favored Biden.
Something that the Democrats 'intended, I'm sure.
America was designed as a Liberal project.  The more Americans vote, the more Liberals win.  This has always been true throughout US history.
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Eh, whether Trump transferred power 'gracefully, is a different question.
Fuck grace.  We're just talking about basic patriotism and loyalty.
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insurrection, coup, bah.
Riot at most, and only for those who 'entered the building, not the thousands voicing their opinions 'outside.
  • this vid is 40 min long but this is the clearest document of Jan 6th that has yet emerged.  I encourage every American who wants to pretend that Jan 6th was less than insurrection to watch it all.
  • NATO intelligence officially reported Jan 6th to European leaders as a failed coup attempt
  • The US National Security Council characterizes Jan 6th as a Trump "self-coup"
    • Let's note that the DNI has determined that Trump is too great a threat to US security to be allowed to be allowed access to the President's daily briefing.  Even Nixon was given privilege but Trump is just too sketchy from a basic American loyalty perspective.
  • The US Military's Joint Chief of Staff refers to Jan 6th as  "insurrection" and ordered all active service members to recognize Biden as the constitutionally elected head of state.
  • The FBI officially classifies Jan 6th as a "Major Terrorist Attack" alongside 9/11
  • Republicans can promote their self-delusions all they want but the rest of the world is clear- Jan 6th was a test of American patriotism and the Republican Party clearly flunked.  Loyal Americans may differ on how best to process and punish a crime so near to the heart of American Democracy and sovereignty but I think our willingness to tolerate Republican disloyalty is at an end.


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Well stated. There were 213,799,485 registered voters in 2020. Trump got  74216154 votes which is 35% of registered voters. 35 percent also just happens to be the percent of mentally ill people in the USA.
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18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

I think that eventually Trump will be found guilty of this and then he will move with the first First Lady born in a Communist country to his Trump Tower in Moscow.




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2020 United States presidential election - Wikipedia
Popular vote
Biden                                    Trump
81,268,924                         74,216,154

'That's an unpopular support of Trump?
After 'all his errors?
'That's the best the Democratic nominee could do?

'That's something to say, well, we handled that fine?
Let's just go back to that 7% of mail-in vote that the USPS failed to deliver on time


81,268,924 +74,216,154=155,485,078 voters total
of which 46% were mail-in votes = 62,194,031
but an additional 7% were never counted because of Trump's fucking up the US mail delivery SO
let's add another 4,353,582 to mail-ins
of which Biden got 3 out f every 4 votes
+3,265,186 votes for Biden and 
+1,088,396 votes for Trump
(ignoring -1% independents)

That is, if we correct for just one of the many, many ways that Republicans illegally tampered with the election the results should have read

Biden                                    Trump
84,534,110                     75,304,550
I wonder what the election would have looked like if we corrected for all Republican vote rigging?  Perhaps something exactly like pre-election polling?  I wonder how many fewer Republican Senators and House members there would be if only Republicans were as law-abiding as Democrats (which is not to suggest perfectly law-abiding by any means)?


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Well stated. There were 213,799,485 registered voters in 2020. Trump got  74216154 votes which is 35% of registered voters. 35 percent also just happens to be the percent of mentally ill people in the USA.
Ha, well, as i was writing I was considering, --on the side---, those with psychosis that may, or may not be of favor to one party or the other for what ever their reasons, or, they could care less about politics in general.

I..e there is all degree of crazy and some percentages of those crazies are irrelevant to Trumpet crazy and his Trumpeteers crazy, to be fair.



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Obviously, there's plenty more.  I'm just surveying the Wikipedia bullet points, really. - oromagi
(Meant as joke)

Yeah, that's too bad because that's so  amazingly wrong and the event was so recent and well publicized.  I think a lot of Trump supporters are just willfully misinformed. - oromagi
Eh, I don't consider myself a Trump supporter, I paid it some scant attention when it's on the news, I wasn't much impressed.
The Democrats have gone for that impeach angle the 'moment Trump took office, to the end of him leaving office, and I'm supposed to remember 'every single attempt and detail? Bah.

"drug deal"

Bosh, accusing Trump of being a drug dealer.

I don't see the corruption, so much as I see party lines, which the Democrats have intentionally deepened themselves.

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I don't see the 'justice of the Democrats, I see a self interested, self righteous, bunch of hypocritical blowhards, intent on removing the 2nd amendment, removing secure borders, seeking to enlarge big government, defund the police, and push views and laws not 'worthy, in my eyes.
Who push for disorder in the streets and small businesses of America, but screech in concern, when a bit of hubabaloo comes to 'their front door.

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wolf, Wolf, Wolf! Cries the Democrat.

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Certainly Covid was 'such a danger in Trumps term, now everyone's walking around maskless, what a miracle, just a bit of Biden, and what little concern Covid is now.

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I thought America was a Republic?

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Trump could have conceded power easier, he didn't, oh well.

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I might watch the 40 minute video at some point.

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Insurrection, coup, terrorist attack.
Stuff and nonsense, my opinion.

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I'm not a Republican, and I voted for Hillary, when it was her or Trump, but I can't take the Left as they currently are.