HELL BOUND MUSLIMS, TRY TO DEFEND ISLAM AGAINST WOMEN!

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When you look at how predominantly muslim societies will often stone queers to death and do honor killings, I think they mean punished by death in those statistics. 
Well, if you're talking about stoning, I think it require a huge preponderance of evidence. And if one condition fails,at least in islam, you won't be stoned. For example, there's a reason why it's rare to see muslims stone adulterers to death. For the most part, a sharia court will dismiss the accused if his case has unfulfilled conditions. These conditions are massive and the accused is supposed to fulfill all of the major and minor requirements in court. 

...freedom of association. I just wonder if maybe I am incorrect and the Muslims polled, have maybe a different view on how to pu is apostasy. I'm trying to learn a bit about Islam though and Yasmine is a valuable resource in that regard.
Go ahead, Im an apostate. I'm hardly a reliable source. Yassine knows a lot about Ahlus Sunnah Will Jamaah. That is, he knows a lot about the followers of the Prophet Muhammad and His Companions. You'll learn why 80% of all muslims stubbornly remain fundamentalist. 
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okay, I will ask him,, but that is not what Roman's means. There is no such thing as sinless. We have all sinned against God. The only exception is Jesus.  

Paul seems to be lamenting that he tries really hard to be sinless and yet is condemned to hell. He could be saying he is condemned because of original sin. 

However, I think if we look at another vs in the Bible we will more closely see what he is referring to. 

We all fall short of the glory of God and are condemned to hell. 

The above statement is what he is referring to. This is why Christians do not believe that anybody can be saved through works.

You can make 100 million a year and donate all 100 million to charity, saving hundreds of thousands of lives. You can be a great father, husband and son. You can be honest always, and polite. You could jump in front of a train to save one thousand school children and you still fall short of the glory of God. You still have sinned at some point and deserve death.

Stephen, we are all bad people. All Christians are bad people. God loves us despite this. He gave his son to die for our sins, so that are evil ways may be forgiven and we may live forever. 

Paul knows we are all evil, and he is lamenting that no amount of deeds makes him worthy of heaven.

The verse is not about telling people to lie. Christians are not told to lie in order to spread their faith. In fact gere is what Jesus says about spreading the faith.

Let the dead bury their dead
He refers to all non Christians as dead. It's great to save their lives, but if they don't want to be saved, you don't need to lie. You just leave the dead to bury the dead. It's more about just shrugging your shoulders and saying.

"IT'S NOT IN my hands, it is up to God to save the dead, not me" 

God doesn't want Christians to lie. He sent many Christians to die, rather than lie. When faced with the consequence of vicious deaths in the arena by Caesar or lying about their faith, many Christians gladly died and maintained the truth. 
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okay, I will ask him,,

 Why not find out for yourself instead of relying on anyone that is allowed to lie to further a cause. And then approach with your own findings.


but that is not what Roman's means.

 It means exactly what it says;
Romans 3:7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory..............

Abound means to exist in large numbers and to grow further in size = "more abounded";   this then means if Paul has to lie for the church to "abound" and grow the Christian church in size, then he doesn't believe it to be sinful  because he is of the opinion that he is paying service to god and doing gods work




There is no such thing as sinless.

That depends on whether on or not one is speaking in human terms or godly religious terms, doesn't it?


Let the dead bury their dead: He refers to all non Christians as dead.

 I agree for the best part, only Jesus was a Jew and not a Christian and means that all those Jews that reject him and his teaching and that do not follow him are considered "dead" spiritually. Like me.  If I were a Jew I would be considered "dead" in the eyes of Jesus because I do not follow him and do not believe him to be the son of any god in the genealogical sense of the word. 



Stephen, we are all bad people. 

 No. my parents were good people. They would help out anyone and feed them before themselves etc. So you can believe that if you want. But not all people are bad.


God doesn't want Christians to lie. He sent many Christians to die, rather than lie. 
God well may not want anyone to tell lies.
But well you clearly understand, I was talking about Paul who has admitted to telling lies and that he doesn't see it to be bad at all to lie if it increases -" MORE ABOUNDS" his church . 

 But let us stay with the thread.   
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That depends on whether on or not one is speaking in human terms or godly religious terms, doesn't it?

No it does not. Being a Christian has helped me deal with this. I saw myself as bad before Christianity and now I have come to accept that we all are. 

When you eat meat, you have harmed an innocent animal. When you buy clothing or shoes, some slave or proto slave has probably created them. If you live in a peaceful society, it is because brutish violent men have made your society safe and you benefited from their violence. 

Nobody is blameless. You probably have some sort of carbon footprint. If you aren't walking everywhere you do. You can't escape the fact you have caused significant harm.  
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@Stephen
 Why not find out for yourself instead of relying on anyone that is allowed to lie to further a cause. And then approach with your own findings.
Good point. I changed my mind and will look at it myself. 


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That depends on whether on or not one is speaking in human terms or godly religious terms, doesn't it?

No it does not.
I think it  does and  don't accept your opinion.  But I welcome the fact that you have one, unsupported as it is.


Nobody is blameless.

 Sorry but THE BIBLE itself will give you an argument there.

Job 1 . In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright;

 Genesis 6:9
This is the account of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation.


Luke 1:6  Zechariah and Elizabeth, They were both righteous in the sight of God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and requirements of the Lord.

 There are more. But the book itself proves you to be wrong.


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@Stephen
I supported it, by saying that If you eat meat you are bad for participating in the murder of animals.

If you wear Nike you are bad for benefiting off of child labor.

If you have a carbon footprint you are bad for causing global warming. 

If you live in a peaceful society you are bad for causing violence towards criminals just trying to survive or foreigners fighting us over resources. 

Do you think that murdering innocent animals is good?

Do you think child slavery is good?

Do you think polluting is good?

Do you think violence is good?

Seriously, how can you say somebody who contributes to these things is a good person?


None of what I said is even really debatable. You and your parents are bad people, and I am sorry if my cold logic of the situation hurts your feelings, but no reasonable person thinks child slavery, violence, animal torture and pollution are good things. 

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@Stephen
some stuff is lost in translation. The word blameless does not actually appear in the Torah. It is a rough translation of a less precise word. In fact the words you provide above are 3 different words translated to the same word
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  The bible shows you to be wrong. I am not too bothered that you will not accept this, that to me is your problem if you choose it to be or not to be. 
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I based all of us being bad people on evidence outside of the Bible. I am not basing the claims off of the Bible. I did say the Bible says none of us are blameless.

I accept the possibility I am wrong and that there were blameless people other than Jesus as far as the Bible is concerned. 

Maybe the Bible is wrong, if so I need to reexamine my faith and will do so. However I don't think k I am personally wrong to day that we have all sinned. I provided evidence for the claim above, or atheist my premises. 
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I based all of us being bad people on evidence outside of the Bible.

 Base away, but the bible has shown you to be wrong in your assumptions. The bible say there were righteous and just and blameless people. I just don't see how things are or can, be anyway different from the time of the bible.

And you are welcome to base you opinions , thoughts and theories on what and from where you choose to take them. I quoted the bible simply because you told me your version of what Paul was talking about. And for no other reason than that. 

Maybe the Bible is wrong

 I agree, but the times have to be considered?  The New Testament is a classic enigma of ambiguous anomalies that make up the half told stories about a man from the Middle East that believed himself to be King of the Jews..... not Christians, and nothing more.

 But your choice is your own. I don't set out to convince anyone of anything. Or convert anyone to atheism. I just spill my thoughts, and opinions and theories about what only I believe about the bible. I am not to interested in what anyone else chooses to believe. I am interested in what they have to say when challenging what I have to say, or believe and think?

I don't think k I am personally wrong to day that we have all sinned.

 The bible says so, in fact Christians are of the stupid belief that we "inherited sin"!   Is inherited sin the same as being sinful, one's self??
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@Stephen
reread my post. I admitted I was wrong about the Bible. Now admit you were wrong g about good people existing. 

You are not such a huge piece of shit that you actually believe that torture of animals, political violence slavery and pollution are good things. 
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Now admit you were wrong g about good people existing. 

 I won't because I know good people and genuine people exist. I have met many of them..



You are not such a huge piece of shit that you actually believe that torture of animals, political violence slavery and pollution are good things. 

 There are people just like that . I know a few of those bastards too. So on that I will agree with you, weather you consider  me to be" a piece of shit" or not.  But then so is god. He unjustly kills at the drop of an hat simply on a wager.  Human life is cheap to god, literally, humans come ten a penny to him.

Have you not ever read the sad story of one of his most loyal and righteous and blameless servants, Job?

Here take the time to read this 3 minute vile story over a bet and costing the lives of ten children>



 Is inherited sin the same as being sinful, one's self??
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@Yassine


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TO THE MEMBERSHIP, HAS ANYONE SEEN THE MUSLIM "YASSINE" AROUND IN OTHER PARTS OF DEBATEART, BECAUSE THUS FAR, THIS CAMEL RIDER HAS RUN AWAY IN ADDRESSING SIMPLE QUESTIONS BY ME POSED TO HIM FOR THE FORTH TIME AS SHOWN BELOW!!!

Yassine,

This post is the "FORTH TIME" subsequent to my post #61 being the first time, where you refuse to answer these questions:  Are you saying that Jesus and Allah are different gods, or that Jesus and Allah are the same god along with the Hebrew Yahweh god as well?  


Now, what is the reason you cannot address the questions above? Were you bucked off of your camel and in the hospital with no computer?  Or were you called by the Muslim's faith Taliban to lash women with a whip 40 times for not wearing the hijab on a hot desert day?  Maybe you were called to assist in the Muslim faith's genital mutilation of cutting off the clitoris of an innocent young girl, in holding her down because of the pain that this procedure inflicts?  

What is your Muslim lame excuse for RUNNING AWAY from the simple questions posed to you above???!  

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 I won't because I know good people and genuine people exist. I have met many of them..

So you know vegans who live completely isolated in The wilderness and make their own clothing? 
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oh wow, 3 children got sent to an everlasting paradise in heaven. So tragic that they now have perfect lives
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I'm jot going to answer any questions about original sin. I am now reco sidering whether it is bullshit or not based on your earlier arguments showing blameless men.
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Wylted,

YOUR UNGODLY POST AS AN "ASSUMED CHRISTIAN!" : "You are not such a huge piece of shit that you actually believe that torture of animals, political violence slavery and pollution are good things."

Listen up pseudo-christian, you have directly gone against the inspired word of Jesus by making such filthy talk as shown above: "But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth" (Colossians 3:8). The irony is that you want to call yourself a Christian? NOT! LOL


Your other notions are embarrassingly addressed as follows, where Jesus' words acts in the manner that you are against as shown below, now what?!


TORTURE OF ANIMALS IS OKAY WITH JESUS' INSPIRED WORDS

Regarding the torture of animals, our Jesus as the serial killer Yahweh God incarnate, tortured animals in His Great Flood scenario by horrifically drowning them as their mothers watched their young gasp for air in Genesis 7, remember? Huh? Enough said!

"If you come across a bird's nest in any tree or on the ground, with young ones or eggs and the mother sitting on the young or on the eggs, you shall not take the mother with the young. You shall let the mother go, but the young you may take for yourself, that it may go well with you, and that you may live long." (Deuteronomy 22: 6-7).  Jesus tortured the young and the mother after her seeing her young being taken, get it?

"Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3).    Jesus tortured animals by killing them in this biblical scenario as they died slowly, get it?


POLITICAL VIOLENCE IS OKAY WITH JESUS'S INSPIRED WORDS

"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death , because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12) 


SLAVERY AND BEATING THE SLAVE IS OKAY WITH JESUS' INSPIRED WORDS

The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.  But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked." (Luke 12: 47-48)

"Let all who are under a yoke as slaves regard their own masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be reviled." (1 Timothy 6:1)

"Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not by way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord." (Colossians 3:22)


THE ONLY THING THAT JESUS' INSPIRED WORDS AGREE WITH YOU, IS NOT TO POLLUTE THE LAND

"You shall not pollute the land in which you live, for blood pollutes the land, and no atonement can be made for the land for the blood that is shed in it, except by the blood of the one who shed it. You shall not defile the land in which you live, in the midst of which I dwell, for I the Lorddwell in the midst of the people of Israel.” (Numbers 35:33-34)

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I stand corrected. However the following phrase seems silly

Listen up pseudo-christian, you have directly gone against the inspired word of Jesus by making such filthy talk as shown above: "But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth" (Colossians 3:8). The irony is that you want to call yourself a Christian? NOT! LOL

Christian doesn't mean perfect in obeying God's laws. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
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Wylted,

YOUR QUOTE IN CALLING JESUS' DIRECT WORDS AS "SILLY!"  "I stand corrected. However the following phrase seems silly"

First thing, Jesus and I appreciate that you accepted your biblical ignorance as I had shown you regarding what you thought you knew, you didn't! But, you step in the proverbial poo again by having the audacity of saying that what Jesus' inspired words in not having fowl language is SILLY?!  BLASPHEME!  "But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth" (Colossians 3:8)

Tell us, where do you get the authority to state that Jesus' inspired words in the example above, are SILLY, as you slap Him in the face?!



YOUR UNGODLY RUNAWAY POST REGARDING YOUR DESPICABLE FOWL LANGUAGE TO STEPHEN: "Christian doesn't mean perfect in obeying God's laws. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

BULLCRAP!  First thing, you are to be as perfect as Jesus was, and that is NOT TO SIN, remember?!  "You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect." (Matthew 5:48)  Do you want to call Jesus' word in this verse as LIES relative to your Satanic statement above?!  

UNBELIEABLE DISRESPECT TO JESUS!


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I never said it was silly you dumb fuck. I said it was silly you think once somebody becomes Christian they will magically never sin again. That any sin disqualifies them as christian. 

Are you retarded or just a schitzo?
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he says you must be perfect to deserve going to heaven. Conti ue reading the verse. You are either lying by taking the bi le out of context or are stupid. It's a statement about the impossibility of being saved through actions and how you can o ly be saved through Jesus.

You are either a Satanist muddling the water or something is seriously wrong with your brain
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