we spend enough money on housing that every person who isn't completely crazy or drug addicted should have a place to go. my guess is most homeless people have those problems, but i'd think there's plenty who should have a place to go to. we can't give everyone an apartment and such. it's too wasteful and expensive. if we geared money towards homeless shelters, we'd have fewer homeless people, which should be our goal.
homeless peeps should generally have a homeless shelter to go to - section 8
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@n8nrgmi
we spend enough money on housing that every person who isn't completely crazy or drug addicted should have a place to go. my guess is most homeless people have those problems, but i'd think there's plenty who should have a place to go to. we can't give everyone an apartment and such. it's too wasteful and expensive. if we geared money towards homeless shelters, we'd have fewer homeless people, which should be our goal.
HUD estimates that 70% of homeless people are addicted to at least one substance and about half have a debilitating mental illness with significant overlap between those two. Generally, you must be sober to request a bed in a shelter and remain sober for the duration which is a difficult ask for most hardcore addicts.
In most cities on most nights there are more beds set aside for the homeless than requests. During COVID, the numbers looking for shelter dropped precipitously and have not bounced back much. Many homeless are making do with tents.
Shelters have always been difficult places to stay- lots of theft, violence, very noisy, big problems with lice and bedbugs. My understanding is that the majority of homeless, crazy, addicted, both, or neither prefer the streets to shelters except when it is very wet or very cold.
I would say that we should focus on families, parents with children, and work hard to make comfortable safe spaces for them because most shelters don't provide that.
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@oromagi
which means we need to have an exact number for how many folks need shelter and dont get it, while not being mentally ill and drug addicted. that's the only way we can settle our differing positions. if it's more on the inconsequential side i would join your position.
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@n8nrgmi
-->@oromagiwhich means we need to have an exact number for how many folks need shelter and dont get it, while not being mentally ill and drug addicted. that's the only way we can settle our differing positions. if it's more on the inconsequential side i would join your position.
exact numbers are hard to come by. Tent villages are easy to find but half of homeless folks live in a car. Many sleep in bushes and out of the way woods. Many take shelter some place illegally and don't want to be discovered.
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@n8nrgmi
Why do you not capitalize the first letter of the sentences?
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@oromagi
Illegal is as illegal does.
One World one home.
And how one survives is dictated by ones own abilities.
And if we really cared we would.
Nope...... We are inherently selfish and consequently, selectively moral.
So pick up your pizza, drive on past the scruffy man in the box, and be content with yourself.
And don't forget to put your loose change into the charity tin.
The reason I don't go to a shelter is they practically ban you from working. You do have curfews for when you have to be there and when you have to leave etc.
Homelessness is not a problem that can be solved. It's not a problem most homeless people want solved
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@n8nrgmi
Homelessness is extremely rare in the US. Only roughly .2% of the population is homeless.
This is how you get rid of homelessness:
LA sucks.