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On these occasions Jesus was either alone or only there were only two present at the time?


Jesus is tested by Satan alone.
Matthew 4:1-11
Only two present

Jesus prays alone. Matthew 26:38-45

 Stay here and keep watch with me.”
39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”
40 Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. “Couldn’t you men keep watch with me for one hour?” he asked Peter. 41 “Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.”
42 He went away a second time and prayed, “My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done.”
43 When he came back, he again found them sleeping, because their eyes were heavy. 44 So he left them and went away once more and prayed the third time, saying the same thing.
45 Then he returned to the disciples and said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? Look, the hour has come, and the Son of Man is delivered into the hands of sinners. 





Jesus speaks with Pilate alone. John 18:33-38

33 Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?”
34 “Is that your own idea,” Jesus asked, “or did others talk to you about me?”
35 “Am I a Jew?” Pilate replied. “Your own people and chief priests handed you over to me. What is it you have done?”
36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate.
Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”
38 “What is truth?” retorted Pilate.

Indeed Mr Pilate, what is truth?



But how did  these gospel writers  know the words spoken when they were spoken in the absence of anyone else.?
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They didn’t.

Stop trying to prove the Bible(or even disprove). It is meaningless. What is meaningful is creating your own meaning, and I do not advise being a Bible scholar in the year of 2021.
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But how did  these gospel writers  know the words spoken when they were spoken in the absence of anyone else.?


They didn’t.


So in your honest opinion  the stories are contrived?


Stop trying to prove the Bible(or even disprove).

Why? This is a religion forum and the last time I read it, the bible and all the stories contained there - in are supposed to be the subject of religion.


It is meaningless.

To you, it maybe.



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Stephen, the hell-bound Atheist that knows more about the JUDEO-Christian Bible than ANY pseudo-christian upon this forum,

YOUR DISTURBING QUOTE ONCE AGAIN ABOUT MY FAITH IN YOUR INITITAL POST: "But how did  these gospel writers  know the words spoken when they were spoken in the absence of anyone else.?"

Well, that's a hard one to swallow, isn't it? The only passage that I can come up with relating to your quote is the following: "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation, for the prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." (2 Peter 1:20-21)

As usual, the alleged gospel writers were moved by the spirit of Jesus to actually come forth with what Jesus said, or what they wanted Him to say,  in the instances that you are questioning. In this manner, we TRUE Christians, which I am the only one upon this forum, have to accept that Jesus talked to them in His spirit in what He said in the two situations.  Crazy and questionable, sure it is, but in being a Christian this is what we have to accept in the 21st century. The irony today is the fact that Jesus, as my serial killer Yahweh God incarnate, used to talk to His creation through His spirit all the time in the Old and New Testaments, but today, He remains silent upon this former proposition, I can only wonder why?  :(
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Stephen, the hell-bound Atheist that knows more about the JUDEO-Christian Bible than ANY pseudo-christian upon this forum,

Stephen, on a side note, have you seen YASSINE or TRADESECRET hiding around DEBATEART, because both of these religious fools of their particular faith have been RUNNING AWAY from Jesus and I in debate as embarrassingly shown in the links below:


Jesus and I have shown the above two runaways that what they thought they knew, they embarrassingly didn't!  Whats new? NOTHING! LOL






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But how did  these gospel writers  know the words spoken when they were spoken in the absence of anyone else.?
The 4 canonical gospels were written decades after Christ and only 4 out of hundreds of written accounts of Jesus's life.  These 4 were retained as the most in agreement with one another when the New Testament was canonized  in 367 CE.  None claims to be an historically accurate or eye-witness account.  The only two events that all 4 gospels consistently agree upon are that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist and crucified by Pontius Pilate.

The notion that the gospels are works of unerring journalism is a very modern and mostly American idea without any real scholarly basis.

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But how did  these gospel writers  know the words spoken when they were spoken in the absence of anyone else.?
Stephen you are a funny lad.  You know the answer to these questions. It must be one of the the following: 

1. the NT is correct and Jesus died and rose from the dead. If so, then Jesus told the authors of the gospels the stories about what happened after he rose from the dead in respect of Pilate, or when he was alive in relation to Satan when he was talking to his disciples. and they then wrote them down.  

2. Your position is correct that Jesus did not die but cleverly hid his death - again meaning that he was able to tell the stories to the authors of the gospels what happened. 

3. the author's made it up. 

Can you think of a reason why Jesus would not relate the story of the disciples about his test in the wilderness with Satan? 

Can you think of a reason why Jesus would not relate the story with Pilate after his supposed resurrection? 

I can think of reasons why the authors might have made it up.  
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But how did  these gospel writers  know the words spoken when they were spoken in the absence of anyone else.?
Stephen you are a funny lad.  You know the answer to these questions. It must be one of the the following: 

1. the NT is correct and Jesus died and rose from the dead. If so, then Jesus told the authors of the gospels the stories about what happened after he rose from the dead in respect of Pilate,

Indeed,  as you say " if so"?  And as you also say, the Jesus story is a "myth", isn't it?...

Dimtim wrote:  "why give air to a subject that ought to be closed down? It seems to me - the more you bring this sort of stuff up - the more air time and the larger the myth becomes. "#18

Dimtim wrote:"it my subjective position that evolution proves god is a myth. [.................................] then obviously he does not exist.  #11



or when he was alive in relation to Satan when he was talking to his disciples. and they then wrote them down.  

Thank you for highlighting another one of those anomalous biblical half stories . And of course there is no evidence that Jesus relayed his meeting with Satan to anyone at all. 

And  as you believe. The bible is an "unreliable book" that should be put on the "book burning fire and destroyed " ,isn't it.

Dimtim wrote: " I think the best place for the bible is on a burning pile of books" #8

Dimtim wrote:   " It is tenor of the bible as an entirety that gives me reason for it be destroyed.    #14



[A] I mean. If I was a follower of this god Jesus, the first thing I would have asked Jesus on his return from meeting Satan the most reviles character known to mankind  was  ` who the fk is Satan to question and test you my GOD!!! ' AND recorded it ? And if I was a sycophant, I probable would have asked   ` what did he look like lord, did you get his autograph `!? But even this, what would be obvious question  isn't even recorded?  You see, the more claims made the more anomalies which in turn leads to raising even more awkward questions concerning this "myth".



2. Your position is correct that Jesus did not die but cleverly hid his death - again meaning that he was able to tell the stories to the authors of the gospels what happened. 

See[A] above

3. the author's made it up.
 
Someone certainly appears to have added to the "myth", don't they, Dimtim?


Can you think of a reason why Jesus would not relate the story of the disciples about his test in the wilderness with Satan? 
Can you think of a reason why Jesus would not relate the story with Pilate after his supposed resurrection? 

Can you?  And you seem to be forgetting, someone saying something happened  in the absence of someone else doesn't mean it happened. And there is absolutely not a shred of evidence that Jesus did tell them anything about the meeting anyway  is there, Dimtim?



I can think of reasons why the authors might have made it up

 Nice, lets hear it.

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You are a funny lad. 

You asked a question. I put forward three ways in which it could happen.  I don't recall you saying - anything about finding the answer in the bible.  

Do you think the fact that I think Jesus is a myth and think that the bible should be burnt - is a reason for me not to answer your question? Or attempt to answer it? 

Why?  Why can't I believe these things and attempt to provide an answer?  The book is a story - I don't believe that goldilocks is real either but I can attempt to speculate about the prince that saves her or the type of hair she has.  I think Adam Smith's book on capitalism is a bit rich too - but I can still answer questions about the author. 

In the gospels - you rightly raise some questions.  I don't see especially the difficulty of the authors talking to someone.  But I don't have the same agenda as you. I want to see them burned - you just want to prove them wrong.  I merely answered.  I can't figure out why you think this is a problem. 





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  I don't recall you saying - anything about finding the answer in the bible. 

 That is because the bible doesn't fkn answer my questions , you clown. HENCE "how did they know"? 


Do you think the fact that I think Jesus is a myth and think that the bible should be burnt - is a reason for me not to answer your question?


 No.  I appreciated the replies and possibilities that you presented , but that is all they were. Which led to more questions, didn't it . princess?


The book is a story - I don't believe that goldilocks is real either but I can attempt to speculate about the prince that saves her or the type of hair she has. 


And you can speculate all day.   Just do not try present your speculation as fact without evidence. It is a sly habit of Christians to do this and they do it often.


I think Adam Smith's book on capitalism is a bit rich too - but I can still answer questions about the author. 

But in this case you didn't answer anything , did you, princess?  You  could only"speculate", because you actually believe the bible  to be all a "myth", don't you? A book that should be condemned to the flames. 
 I on the other hand, do not dismiss the bible outright and certainly don't believe  the Christian holy book should be condemned to the flames as you do. 



But I don't have the same agenda as you.

What agenda would that be?


I want to see them burned

Yes you make it clear that you are anti everything religion.


you just want to prove them wrong. 

 Or right.  SO!?


I merely answered. 

 No, by your own admission, you "speculated" and offered possibilities. I do the same sometimes. And that speculation and those possibilities are there to be challenged and or countered. As I did above.


I can't figure out why you think this is a problem. 

 I have no problem with your speculation. Speculation can be challenged and countered, as I did above with your own speculation. . Just don't complain when I speculate likewise as I may do, and do, from time to time which you or anyone else is welcome to challenge and or counter.

Now. Off you go.


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As usual, the alleged gospel writers were moved by the spirit of Jesus to actually come forth with what Jesus said, 

 Its a shame they just didn't come right out and say that it was the "holy spirit" informed them, isn't it?  


or what they wanted Him to say,  in the instances that you are questioning. 

Yes, putting words into the mouth of the Christ. Nothing new there then.
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Or right.  SO!?
Stephen you are again proving you are a liar. You don't want to prove the bible right.  Let's hear your own words. 

It  has encouraged me to start another thread on how unreliable these gospels really are. Something I have suggested all along. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/377/post-links/13955

They are not telling the whole gospeltruth .imo https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/397/post-links/15107

 When one takes the time to pick at these scriptures with a clear and critical eye it is not hard to spot the flaws, as I have shown above and on many other threads. . https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/475/post-links/20928

It is up to those who don't believe these scriptures to break this story down and expose it for what it is: false certainly in part.. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/539/post-links/23566

I don’t need “scraps” you clown. I have enough evidence to prove these gospels are so unreliable that they should be slung in the nearest bin. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/539/post-links/23894

The scriptures say a lot a things that simple are not true. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/539/post-links/24685

Oh I believe he existed. I just don’t believe what THE BIBLE says about him or his works .  https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/764/post-links/34228

I don't believe it is true as it has come down to us, that is to say, I don't believe it it to be the whole gospel truth about The Christ and his teachings.  https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/811/post-links/36122

I don't believe the scriptures are telling the whole truth. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1495/post-links/63120

Please note >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It is the scriptures I dispute,<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< and  the New Testament in particular because it is a nonsense the way it has come down to us and more of a nonsense they way it has been taught to us by bible thumping hypocrites https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/911/post-links/40606

I don't accept the bible as it has come down to us - The New Testament in particular.  https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/911/post-links/40883

It is the scriptures that I discuss and my own beliefs as to why I believe they are unreliable, ambiguous, half stories that make no sense. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/911/post-links/41559

No. I know they do contradict one another , REGARDLESS of what I may or may not think. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3236/post-links/136505

So stop lying. You know that I am slowly chipping away at the lies and deceit in these scriptures and you and the others cannot face it. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3347/post-links/146097

AND like I have to keep  you; it is the scriptures that I have a problem with, not necessary Christians. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3472/post-links/147158

None of the gosple authors can be "trusted". https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4099/post-links/170735

I will continue to highlight what I believe to be biblical anomalies, contradictions and out right  lies that are riddled throughout the scriptures . I am happy that you are not happy. https://www.debateart.com/office/activities/all

No.  What I do is up to me. Which is that I highlight,  scrutinize and question these unreliable , ambiguous biblical half stories. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4199/post-links/173452

So then the bible is wrong. Which in turn throws more heavy doubt onto the whole of the English version of the scriptures. Bringing them into serious question and dispute https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4216/post-links/176518


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you just want to prove them wrong. 

 Or right.  SO!?

That is  correct. I will either prove these gospels to be  wrong or right..   Unlike yourself that has simply  dismissed the whole  christian holy book after just one reading and wishes to see it " burned on on a book pile". 

Dimtim wrote: "I think the best place for the bible is on a burning pile of books". #8 

because you say;

Dimtim wrote: " It is tenor of the bible as an entirety that gives me reason for it be destroyed".    #14


At least I have  taken the effort to see what is WRONG or RIGHT about these unreliable ambiguous and unreliable scriptures. Where as you simply tell us that you want it eradicated from the face of the earth because you believe it and Christianity to be dangerous to have future :

Dimtim wrote: "Do you have any conception of how dangerous religion is and in particular christianity?  #153



I don't accept the bible as it has come down to us - The New Testament in particular.  https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/911/post-links/40883

 Correct. I do not.  As I have stated many times.


So stop lying. You know that I am slowly chipping away at the lies and deceit in these scriptures and you and the others cannot face it. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3347/post-links/146097

Correct again.


So then the bible is wrong. Which in turn throws more heavy doubt onto the whole of the English version of the scriptures. Bringing them into serious question and dispute https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4216/post-links/176518

Correct again ; someone did  throw more heavy doubt onto the scriptures#42  There - by adding to the evidence that the bible is unreliable as any type of source.



None of the gospel authors can be "trusted". https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4099/post-links/170735

Correct again. As you have said yourself many times. The bible is "unreliable" and no one even knows who the authors actually are.


No.  What I do is up to me. Which is that I highlight,  scrutinize and question these unreliable , ambiguous biblical half stories. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4199/post-links/173452

 Correct again. 


 When one takes the time to pick at these scriptures with a clear and critical eye it is not hard to spot the flaws, as I have shown above and on many other threads. . https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/475/post-links/20928

Correct again. Would you like more examples of the many flaws that make up the unreliable scriptures that you want to see eradicate from the face of the earth?



No. I know they do contradict one another , REGARDLESS of what I may or may not think. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3236/post-links/136505

 Absolutely correct. As the link clearly explains ;  One gospeller writes that the women didn't tell anyone what it was they had witnessed at the empty tomb  and gives a reason why they didn't. Yet two other gospellers claim that they did speak of their experience. would you like me to highlight those contradictory verse for you, Dimtim? 
 
It is  as YOU SAY:

Dimtim wrote: " It is quite confusing and to me contradictory".   #186

And I totally agree with you Dim.


It is up to those who don't believe these scriptures to break this story down and expose it for what it is: false certainly in part.. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/539/post-links/23566

Correct again. the scriptures are clearly and certainly false  in part, as you yourself have attested to: here>.

Dimtim wrote: " It is quite confusing and to me contradictory".   #186


I don't believe the scriptures are telling the whole truth. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1495/post-links/63120

Correct. I don't.  And neither do you. 


Please note >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It is the scriptures I dispute,<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< and  the New Testament in particular because it is a nonsense the way it has come down to us and more of a nonsense they way it has been taught to us by bible thumping hypocrites https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/911/post-links/40606
  
 Yep, correct again.  And I ask you, can you believe it in the  way it has been taught to us by bible thumping hypocrites?   Well no you can't can you. ?
You happen to believe that Christians are "weird" and pointed directly to two members here that you have regarded as - "deluded" and nuts".

Dimtim wrote:  "PGA2.0 or trade are as bitter as you.  Even if they are both a bit nuts in their religious points of view. They are both deluded in their positions - but so are you"   #20   - "  No wonder we see so much weirdness in the Christian movement. "#141



 Now., DImtim;  would you like to stay on topic or would you rather discuss with me how correct , consistent and agreeable with you I am where the unreliability of and contradictory nature of the bible is concerned and  I have been since joining the forum here  or do you want to keep highlighting on my behalf , all of my threads that go a long way  to showing how unreliable, inconsistent anomalous and ambiguous these gospels really are?








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Stephen you are again proving you are a liar. You don't want to prove the bible right.  Let's hear your own words. 

It  has encouraged me to start another thread on how unreliable these gospels really are. Something I have suggested all along. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/377/post-links/13955

They are not telling the whole gospeltruth .imo https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/397/post-links/15107

 When one takes the time to pick at these scriptures with a clear and critical eye it is not hard to spot the flaws, as I have shown above and on many other threads. . https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/475/post-links/20928

It is up to those who don't believe these scriptures to break this story down and expose it for what it is: false certainly in part.. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/539/post-links/23566

I don’t need “scraps” you clown. I have enough evidence to prove these gospels are so unreliable that they should be slung in the nearest bin. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/539/post-links/23894

The scriptures say a lot a things that simple are not true. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/539/post-links/24685

Oh I believe he existed. I just don’t believe what THE BIBLE says about him or his works .  https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/764/post-links/34228

I don't believe it is true as it has come down to us, that is to say, I don't believe it it to be the whole gospel truth about The Christ and his teachings.  https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/811/post-links/36122

I don't believe the scriptures are telling the whole truth. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1495/post-links/63120

Please note >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It is the scriptures I dispute,<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< and  the New Testament in particular because it is a nonsense the way it has come down to us and more of a nonsense they way it has been taught to us by bible thumping hypocrites https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/911/post-links/40606

I don't accept the bible as it has come down to us - The New Testament in particular.  https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/911/post-links/40883

It is the scriptures that I discuss and my own beliefs as to why I believe they are unreliable, ambiguous, half stories that make no sense. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/911/post-links/41559

No. I know they do contradict one another , REGARDLESS of what I may or may not think. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3236/post-links/136505

So stop lying. You know that I am slowly chipping away at the lies and deceit in these scriptures and you and the others cannot face it. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3347/post-links/146097

AND like I have to keep  you; it is the scriptures that I have a problem with, not necessary Christians. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3472/post-links/147158

None of the gosple authors can be "trusted". https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4099/post-links/170735

I will continue to highlight what I believe to be biblical anomalies, contradictions and out right  lies that are riddled throughout the scriptures . I am happy that you are not happy. https://www.debateart.com/office/activities/all

No.  What I do is up to me. Which is that I highlight,  scrutinize and question these unreliable , ambiguous biblical half stories. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4199/post-links/173452

So then the bible is wrong. Which in turn throws more heavy doubt onto the whole of the English version of the scriptures. Bringing them into serious question and dispute https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4216/post-links/176518


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Stephen you are again proving you are a liar. You don't want to prove the bible right. 

 I do. Or wrong. Which -  ever the case may be. But I agree, there isn't much I can prove right so far. And  I am beginning to agree more and more with you by the day. But I am not ready to dismiss it out of hand completely as you have done. Or do I wish to see it destroyed either as you do.

But I thank you once again for highlighting my threads that go into some depth into exposing these unreliable, anomalous and ambiguous nature of the scriptures that expose the "myth " that has been wrapped around a real human man that believed himself to be a King of the Jews(not Christians) and believed by others to be a "son of god". 

It is amazing really how many opinions and beliefs that you and I have in common concerning the unreliability of these scriptures isn't it, Dimtim?

Take a look:
Just like you I too believe the New Testament Jesus story to be mythical. #16
Just like you I too  believe history shows how dangerous Christianity has been.  #153
Just like you I don't believe a dead rotting and stink days old corpse came back to life again. #101
Just like you I don't believe in a person/god with supernatural powers #274
Just like you I agree that there is a weirdness to the christian beliefs even today#141
Just like you I agree that the story of Noah's flood simply doesn't stand up to the lightest of scrutiny #14
Just like you I  agree that Tradesecret  shows serious signs of delusion    #20 (  I mean, with the work load he claims to have, there must be billions of hours in a day  where he comes from).

So clearly, you hold  many of the beliefs as I do.  

Could you please take the time to highlight a few more of my threads that go some way to proving what both you and I actually do believe in.


Thanks again. Your efforts on my behalf are commendable. Please keep it up.

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Could you please take the time to highlight a few more of my threads that go some way to proving what both you and I actually do believe in.https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6366/post-links/274369
Well since you have given me permission -https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6366/post-links/274369 I won't suspect that you were the one who reported my posts.  After all that would be hypocritical wouldn't? 

Stephen you are again proving you are a liar. You don't want to prove the bible right.  Let's hear your own words. 

It  has encouraged me to start another thread on how unreliable these gospels really are. Something I have suggested all along. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/377/post-links/13955

They are not telling the whole gospeltruth .imo https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/397/post-links/15107

 When one takes the time to pick at these scriptures with a clear and critical eye it is not hard to spot the flaws, as I have shown above and on many other threads. . https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/475/post-links/20928

It is up to those who don't believe these scriptures to break this story down and expose it for what it is: false certainly in part.. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/539/post-links/23566

I don’t need “scraps” you clown. I have enough evidence to prove these gospels are so unreliable that they should be slung in the nearest bin. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/539/post-links/23894

The scriptures say a lot a things that simple are not true. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/539/post-links/24685

Oh I believe he existed. I just don’t believe what THE BIBLE says about him or his works .  https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/764/post-links/34228

I don't believe it is true as it has come down to us, that is to say, I don't believe it it to be the whole gospel truth about The Christ and his teachings.  https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/811/post-links/36122

I don't believe the scriptures are telling the whole truth. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1495/post-links/63120

Please note >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It is the scriptures I dispute,<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< and  the New Testament in particular because it is a nonsense the way it has come down to us and more of a nonsense they way it has been taught to us by bible thumping hypocrites https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/911/post-links/40606

I don't accept the bible as it has come down to us - The New Testament in particular.  https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/911/post-links/40883

It is the scriptures that I discuss and my own beliefs as to why I believe they are unreliable, ambiguous, half stories that make no sense. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/911/post-links/41559

No. I know they do contradict one another , REGARDLESS of what I may or may not think. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3236/post-links/136505

So stop lying. You know that I am slowly chipping away at the lies and deceit in these scriptures and you and the others cannot face it. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3347/post-links/146097

AND like I have to keep  you; it is the scriptures that I have a problem with, not necessary Christians. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3472/post-links/147158

None of the gosple authors can be "trusted". https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4099/post-links/170735

I will continue to highlight what I believe to be biblical anomalies, contradictions and out right  lies that are riddled throughout the scriptures . I am happy that you are not happy. https://www.debateart.com/office/activities/all

No.  What I do is up to me. Which is that I highlight,  scrutinize and question these unreliable , ambiguous biblical half stories. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4199/post-links/173452

So then the bible is wrong. Which in turn throws more heavy doubt onto the whole of the English version of the scriptures. Bringing them into serious question and dispute https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4216/post-links/176518


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Oh dear me. You have simply reposted the same links to my threads when there are at least  80 others that you could have chosen from my large catalogue of over 90 threads scrutinising and questioning the bible. 

You seem very annoyed that I question and scrutinise the bible I must say. Why is that?

But once again I thank you for highlighting my threads that go some way- a long way - into showing the scriptures to be the unreliable, ambiguous anomalous half stories that  both you and I believe them to be. 

What we have in common is quite unbelievable really, did you know that; 


 Just like you I too believe the New Testament Jesus story to be mythical. #16
Just like you I too  believe history shows how dangerous Christianity has been.  #153
Just like you I don't believe a dead rotting and stink days old corpse came back to life again. #101
Just like you I don't believe in a person/god with supernatural powers #274
Just like you I agree that there is a weirdness to the christian beliefs even today#141
Just like you I agree that the story of Noah's flood simply doesn't stand up to the lightest of scrutiny #14
Just like you I  agree that Tradesecret  shows serious signs of delusion    #20 (  I mean, with the work load he claims to have, there must be billions of hours in a day  where he comes from).

So clearly, you hold  many of the beliefs that  I do.  

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I am not annoyed that you scrutinize and question the bible.  It really is none of my concern. 

What I objected to was your hypocrisy about the bible.  You have your intentions and that is fine for you. But don't say you are doing one thing when clearly you are doing another.  

this is the same as the last lot I quoted from you - where you pretend to be an atheist but are really are a theist but are really an atheist. I don't know what you are - and it seems you don't know what you are either.  

either you believe in gods or not.  And if you believed in gods that have disappeared then you must have had a reason for believing in the supernatural - which makes you a superstitious person in my mind.  

So which gods do you believe in?