Biden shuts down news sites

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Biden has shut down almost 100 news sites he disagrees with.

Freedom of speech should also include my freedom to digest whatever source of guy speech I want to as well. 

If  I want to read a book financed by the Saudis, that should not be Biden's business.  

If you buy a domain and  own it, the government has no right to hack your hosting company or threaten them to shut your site down, especially if their justification is that they don't agree with the message of that site. 

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Let's agree that the Iranian Govt. should be free to spread its anti-American propaganda on Iranian domains but has no particular right to pirate American domains.

Likewise, Americans should be free to read Iranian anti-American propaganda but not necessarily enjoy the security protections of reading that shit on American domains.  Going on Iranian sites is risky and attracts hackers and Iranian govt. observation but I don't think my tax money should be spent to promote  or protect other countries' propaganda, particularly when that disinformation actively harms my interests as an American.


DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — American authorities seized a range of Iran’s state-linked news website domains they accused of spreading disinformation, the U.S. Justice Department said Tuesday, a move that appeared to be a far-reaching crackdown on Iranian media amid heightened tensions between the two countries.

The Justice Department said 33 of the seized websites were used by the Iranian Islamic Radio and Television Union, which was singled out by the U.S. government last October for what officials described as efforts to spread disinformation and sow discord among American voters ahead of the 2020 presidential election. The U.S. says three other seized websites were operated by the Iraqi Shiite paramilitary group, Kata’ib Hizballah, which more than a decade ago was designated a foreign terrorist organization. The group is separate from the Lebanese militant Hezbollah group whose news websites remained operational.

The website domains are owned by U.S. companies, but despite the sanctions, neither the IRTVU nor KH obtained the required licenses from the U.S. government before using the domain names, according to the Justice Department.

The Justice Department announcement came hours after the Iranian state-run news agency IRNA revealed the U.S. government seizures without providing further information.

The takedowns come as world powers scramble to resurrect Tehran’s tattered 2015 nuclear deal and just days after the election victory of Iran’s hard-line judiciary chief, Ebrahim Raisi. On Monday, Raisi, known for his hostility to the West, staked out a hard-line position in his first news conference. He ruled out the possibilities of meeting with President Joe Biden or negotiating over Tehran’s ballistic missile program and support for regional militias — concerns the Biden administration wants addressed in future talks.

Relations between Iran and the U.S. have deteriorated for years following President Donald Trump’s withdrawal from Tehran’s nuclear deal and the return of devastating sanctions on the country. That decision has seen Iran, over time, gradually abandon every limit on uranium enrichment. The country is now enriching uranium to 60%, its highest level ever, though still short of weapons-grade levels.

Iran provides support to militant groups in the region, such as Lebanon’s militant Hezbollah and Yemen’s Houthi rebels, as it seeks to wield its influence far afield and counter its foes.

On Tuesday, visiting the addresses of a handful of sites, including Iran state television’s English-language arm Press TV, Yemeni Houthi-run Al-Masirah satellite news channel and Iranian state TV’s Arabic-language channel, Al-Alam, produced a federal takedown notice. It said the websites were seized “as part of law enforcement action” by the U.S. Bureau of Industry and Security, Office of Export Enforcement and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

The U.S. government also took over the domain name of the news website Palestine Today, which reflects the viewpoints of Gaza-based Islamic militant groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad, redirecting the site to the same takedown notice.

Press TV, launched in June 2007, is the state-run Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting’s English-language service. Its Iran-based website, PressTV.ir, was not affected.

Most of the domains seized appeared to be “.net,” “.com” and “.tv” domains. The first two are generic top-level domains as opposed to country-specific domains, while “.tv” is owned by the Pacific island nation of Tuvalu but administered by the U.S. company Verisign. Seizing a domain on a major country-specific top-level domain such as Iran’s “.ir” would be apt to produce widespread international condemnation as a violation of sovereignty.

It’s not the first time that the U.S. has seized domain names of sites it accuses of spreading disinformation.

Last October, the Department of Justice announced the takedown of nearly 100 websites linked to Iran’s powerful Revolutionary Guard. The U.S. said the sites, operating under the guise of genuine news outlets, were waging a “global disinformation campaign” to influence U.S. policy and push Iranian propaganda around the world.

Yemen’s Houthi rebel group announced that its Al-Masirah satellite news channel went offline Tuesday without prior notice. It said the channel would continue in its mission of “confronting the American and Israeli acts of piracy against our nation, by any means.”

Responsibility for providing name service for the domain name presstv.com was apparently switched to an Amazon name server on Tuesday at mid-afternoon European time, said internet infrastructure expert Ron Guilmette. Cybersecurity researchers at RiskIQ found a total of 24 seized sites sharing the same Amazon name server.

There are no private television or radio stations in Iran. Satellite dishes, while widespread, also are illegal. That leaves IRIB with a monopoly on domestic airwaves.
Marzieh Hashemi, a prominent Press TV anchor who, in 2019, was arrested as a material witness in an unspecified criminal case and has appeared before a grand jury in Washington, told The Associated Press that the channel was struggling to “figure out the reasons” for the seizure.

While airing in Iran, Press TV focuses predominantly on international affairs through the lens of how leaders in the Islamic Republic see the world. Fierce criticism of British and American foreign policy is common. Since the 1979 Islamic Revolution, IRIB has been in the hands of hard-liners who back Iran’s government.

Press TV has previously run into trouble with Western authorities over its reporting. The Anti-Defamation League has criticized the channel as “one of the world’s leading dispensers of conspiratorial anti-Semitism in English.”

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No I don't think the government should subsidize their propaganda. I never said subsidize them, but if they buy and legally own a domain,  it shouldn't be stolen.  Are they even going top be refunded the money they paid godaddy for their domains? 

I am going to assume they are self hosted sites, so probably no refunds for hosting but this was messed up. 



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, but if they buy and legally own a domain,  it shouldn't be stolen.  Are they even going top be refunded the money they paid godaddy for their domains? 

but they did NOT buy or legally own these domains.  Trump's sanctions on Iran prevented any legal purchase and even then they failed to acquire a license.  Would you be ok if Iranians started secretly  poaching American deer out of season?  Of course not.  Why criticize Biden for protecting basic US interests?  That's his job.


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Iran citizens don't have any US constitutional rights because they do not fall under jurisdiction.
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How would they even be able to very the domain without going to something like godaddy?

It makes no sense 
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What about whatever site sold them the domain? Do they not have a right to sell it to whoever they want?
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The .com domain was originally administered by the United States Department of Defense, but is today operated by Verisign, and remains under ultimate jurisdiction of U.S. law.   Verisign Registrations in the .com domain are processed via registrars accredited by ICANN. The registry accepts internationalized domain names.
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Yeah, so official registrars like godaddy, then sell them to Iran. .coms are not owned by the United states government, but by verisign.  
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Biden has shut down almost 100 news sites he disagrees with.

Freedom of speech should also include my freedom to digest whatever source of guy speech I want to as well. 
First time?

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Yeah, so official registrars like godaddy, then sell them to Iran. .coms are not owned by the United states government, but by verisign.  
  Actual ownership by any specific interest would probably threaten the existence of the internet.  I'd say that Verisign operates a bunch of the Internet's top level domains with the blessing of the US Govt but does not own them.  godaddy is the largest domain registrar but has little top level control and actually lives on Amazon Web Services infrastructure.
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I think hitler did something similar with shutting down news sites .
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Why would they need the blessing of the us government.  Nobody owns the domains and Icann has basically given them full control of .com and .net domains. 
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.com was originally operated by the Dept. of Defense and the US Dept of Commerce is now the ultimate decider of who operates .com.  Verisign and ICANN's current agreement is good until 2025 after which the Dept. of Commerce can choose to renew or seek a new operator agreement.
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How can Icann and the department of commerce both control .coms?

Even if that is the case after iran buys them from godaddy, I still can't see a thing owned by icann who gives verisign the right to sell it, is the business of the department of commerce who apparently is indian giving .coms in 2025 and taking control if they so choose
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I can't even open general sites FOR DEBATE RESEARCHES that DOES NO HARM TO THE ESTABLISHMENT just because it belongs to Google or Instagram or even Genius, where I am just researching lyrics for a linguistic discussion. DDO isn't even available. Chinese censorship is much more than journalism. You are lucky that you even get to see SOME western media.
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I feel lucky. However I think being not as bad as China shouldn't be something they aim for. I think they should aim for, being as good as possible
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This is from the website you shared-

"In October, the US seized 92 websites it said were being used by Iran’s Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC) to spread political disinformation."


Donald Trump was the president in October. Why is this a Joe Biden problem? More partisan nonsense. 
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The recent news of him shutting down 30 sites. I'm also not sure Trump being evil excuses Biden from being evil either
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True, but the irony of this complaint is that you only know of this because of the media. You want to complain that all media is fake and can't be trusted,   at the same time pointing us to media saying we are taking down Iran sites and should be outraged by that. Maybe it's fake news trying to feed the outrage machine for clickbait. This story is also featured in  The guardian, ABC news, Reuters, and so on.   Why trust the Biden justice department saying they did this in the first place? Sounds like all media and government is fake news unless we agree with it or believe it ourselves, a really intelligent standard used only by independent thinkers. 
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Also ironic is Republican's willingness to defend Iran in a desperate bid to find something to complain about Biden.

Let's recall that Iran attacked the US on US soil last fall:

Tuesday's report says that Iran carried out a "multi-pronged covert influence campaign intended to undercut former President Trump's reelection prospects – though without directly promoting his rivals." Iran also tried to sow division in the U.S. and undermine Americans' public confidence in the electoral process.
"We assess that Supreme Leader (Ayatollah Ali) Khamenei authorized the campaign and Iran's military and intelligence services implemented it using overt and covert messaging and cyber operations," the report said. 
When Republicans find out that foreign govts. are trying to exert influence on US election against Democracts, Republicans have secret meetings with the foreign govts. to find out how they can use these attacks to promote self-interest.

When Democrats find out that foreign govts. are trying to exert influence on US election against Republicans, they counterstrike.

There really is only one truly pro-American major political party and it is not the GOP.
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How would the party who wants to erase borders and have one international community like in that John Lennon song imagine they all like, be the pro american party?

Republicans care about what's right and consequences of doing the right thing be damned. If somebody buys a domain name from godaddy and sets up an anti american news site like CNN did than fine. It is their freedom. We support freedom of speech for everyone 
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How would the party who wants to erase borders and have one international community like in that John Lennon song imagine they all like, be the pro american party?
Last week its "oh, those democrats want to go to war in the Ukraine" now its "oh, those democrats are such peaceniks"  Republicans will believe whatever they are instructed to even if it is the opposite of what they believed last wek.

Republicans care about what's right and consequences of doing the right thing be damned.
Says the dude who thinks American democracy sucks and wants to subject the whole nation to the improved efficiencies of Russian dictatorship.
An endorsement by Wylted is properly read as a condemnation by any people who read or have morals.

If somebody buys a domain name from godaddy and sets up an anti american news site like CNN did than fine. It is their freedom. We support freedom of speech for everyone 
And if a foreign country illegally pirates American domain names from which to attack American interests, those attacker have no constitutional claim.
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Since America is a racist, degenerate country, I am happy with the Democrats being "pro-American"

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Why are you saying they pirated the domains LOL
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Why are you saying they pirated the domains LOL
To suggest the sneaky, illegal nature of their theft of US property.   Iranian Islamic Radio and Television Union is a front for the Iranian Military, specifically the  Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Quds Force which handles unconventional warfare and intelligence in Iran and reports directly to the Ayatollah and has been designated by the USFG and NATO as a terrorist organization itself as well as state sponsor of terrorism.  As a specially designated national organization, IIRTU is required by US law to obtain a license from the Office of Foreign Assets Control before obtaining any website or domain service in the US or owned by a US company.  Of course, if IIRTU had applied for permission to run Iranian Intelligence Ops from within the US, their application would most likely have been denied.

You are arguing that spies for foreign terrorist organizations were unconstitutionally denied their right to conduct espionage and sabotage on US soil.  I call this Biden doing his job.  It looks like the Trump administration knew what these spies were up to but failed to do their job.

The other three websites were acquired by Hezbollah- so....yeah, same deal.
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To suggest the sneaky, illegal nature of their theft of US property.  
It's not theft to buy a domain name LOL. If anything the United States stole those websites they bought and paid for.  

Pirated means to steal. It doesn't mean to buy something that is illegal for you to buy. This is like calling people who buy crack, pirates.