Liberals were right about the minimum wage

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A lot of conservatives have argued that if the minimum wage was increased, workers would just be replaced with robots. The current worker shortage is disproving that theory. If this were true than businesses would not be begging for workers, they would already be replacing them with machines. 

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Can you move this to politics. It looks like economics is dead? 
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Is this a strawman or does this accurately reflect your opposition to the minimum wage being increased?

If any of you have made this argument was it an intellectually honest one or were you just looking for your beliefs to appeal to a liberal mindset?
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Minimum wage discriminates against people who can't or who won't choose to produce an output at the level of a minimum wage.

10% of the people biologically can't produce to the minimum standards of the military, so the likelihood that they can compete for a minimum wage job isn't good. More often than not they will be jobless and on welfare.

As far as robots go, it's inevitable, and minimum wage increases only hasten the inevitable. It's not the cause though.
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Also, the current worker shortage is mainly due to millions of people being paid to stay home and collect 1200+ dollars a month from the government.

Business can't compete with that. They would have to offer 2400 dollars a month just to get people in the door.
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Is this a strawman or does this accurately reflect your opposition to the minimum wage being increased?

If any of you have made this argument was it an intellectually honest one or were you just looking for your beliefs to appeal to a liberal mindset?

It's not a strawman, you just made a poor argument.

I'm not necessarily opposed to local minimum wages, although federal minimum wages are quite stupid unless they are set incredibly low so as to be useless anyway.

I don't think that the argument that robots will replace many workers as wages rise is at all false. Payroll in many businesses is the biggest expense and technology is becoming cheaper than it used to be for the same specifications. If that job can be automated away to save a lot of money, they will do it. As wages rise, the expense gets larger and automation becomes a more attractive option, relatively speaking.

Some jobs can't be automated away or are way too impractical to do it with. But to pretend that a short-term economic shock like the coronavirus in any way disproves that is intellectually dishonest or naive.

Most businesses lost a bunch of money and are struggling to operate at all. They can't afford to purchase machines with a high up-front cost or maybe the machines to automate them away don't exist yet and need to be developed.

Sorry for being combative
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Ok Shaman terrorist.

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Begone, bigoted Boomer terrorist.

Taking selfies is OUTLAWED on public property.
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I just saw the funniest picture. On one side politicians cowering in fear, on the other the people occupying the capital, mostly the elderly who were following the partitions. 

Why are these people so scared of boomer republicans who would likely just scream at them if they were in spitting distance.