How do we stop giving religious movements airtime and oxygen without talking about them?

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It was put to me that I am inconsistent in my position in respect of the above question. And perhaps, he is correct in his assessment. 

Nevertheless, until there is a simple manner on how we can do it, then the ordinary cut and thrust of the so called religious discussion on this forum is unhelpful. 

It goes around and around and around - it gets bitter and twisted and nasty. 

I wonder how many others think this is the case or whether I am alone?  Please care to comment. 
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It was put to me that I am inconsistent in my position in respect of the above question.
Yes  and put to you by me, here>>>> #154

And not just concerning the above question, which I will address next.  You have been inconsistent in almost everything you have said. 

You have repeatedly told us that you don't even believe the bible#18  and in the next breath you have said to me personally that you  "wished"  what I had to say was
"more agreeable with the bible"#25.   And then failed to tell me why it is that  you,  and non believer of the scriptures, of which you say "should be put on a book burning pile" #8 would  "wish" such a thing? 

You have also told us here that:

Timid8967, wrote: " As for the bible - yes I have read it. Not suggesting i know it well and I don't pretend to understand it. It is quite confusing and to me contradictory.   #186

So I ask you again. WHY would YOU want what I have to say be more "agreeable"  with something that you find "quite confusing & contradictory" and a book that you tell us  you do not believe in anyway?  <<<<<<<<<<<<THAT is inconsistent and hypocritical.
More examples available on request.


And perhaps, he is correct in his assessment. 

I am, and you are. 


How do we stop giving religious movements airtime and oxygen without talking about them?

In your case, you simply stop talking about them.  As I explained to you already when I highlighted yet another of your hypocritical inconsistences here:#154  Stephen




Timid8967, wrote; Yes, I have responded to others - so yes I am guilty as well.  And perhaps I should stop. [ and created a thread about the proof of god]

Perhaps?  No what you should do in your position and because of your OWN concern over "giving oxygen" to the bible and Christians, is simply stop!  But that call is all your own princess.#154  Stephen   





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Until such times as a GOD sticks their head out from behind the clouds and goes BOO, then religious discussions will inevitably go around and around.

And people will variously react to the inevitable and ongoing inertia.


Nonetheless, in terms of mental stimulation and entertainment, the benefits of such discussions, are greater than that of the subject matter itself.


Though in terms of "helpful".........Where either side of the debate has a pre-conditioned and fixed database, it would be foolish to expect to change minds. 


And ignoring "twisted and nasty" is simple.....Though one wonders if not ignoring "twisted and nasty" is how some people prefer to play it.
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I have explained to you "agreeable with the bible" before. Why do you choose to ignore my response to you as though I did not respond? 

My point was and remains the same - the things you say about the bible are NOT in the bible in any way that anyone else understands them.  It is difficult to have a discussion with you because you make out the bible is saying something entirely different to what it is saying.  That is why you are "disagreeable" with the bible. And why it would be better if you were more agreeable.  

Everyone disagrees with you. Neither the Christians, nor the Muslims, nor the Jews, nor the atheists. NO ONE agrees with your disagreeableness.  

I only have to read it once - and as I said - for me it is not a matter of believing the bible anymore than me having to agree with Plato or Aristotle or any particular myth.  

If we cannot agree with what the bible says - then it is pointless having a discussion with you. You are someone who "knows it all" and cannot be taught. You are what people refer to as "unteachable".  


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How do we stop giving religious movements airtime and oxygen without talking about them?
I don't understand the question, can you rephrase it?
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Lemming - ok.  But let me think about it ok? 
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It was put to me that I am inconsistent in my position in respect of the above question.
Yes  and put to you by me, here>>>> #154

Ahhh - So now you are bragging about yourself? How delightful. 
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I have explained to you "agreeable with the bible" before.

 No you haven't. You totally ignored  this -  -  your inconsistency.. Show me the link where you addressed that particular point if you can't do that then explain it again.


My point was and remains the same - the things you say about the bible are NOT in the bible in any way that anyone else understands them.


 That is all besides the point and you wouldn't know either way.  You read it only once according to you. And how do you you know how   "anyone understands" the bible.

Do you not know how many millions of people read the bible differently . There is a perfect example of that going on right now on this forum. One lot of Christians believe Jesus has been and gone while another lot believe he is due next week. So your argument on that score is bullshit. 


  It is difficult to have a discussion with you because you make out the bible is saying something entirely different to what it is saying. 

That should be no concern of yours considering they YOU TELL US that you don't believe the bible or believe in god and the Jesus story is a "myth"anyway.  You are being hypocritical again and inconsistent, AGAIN! 

You are up a creek now because you can't discuss that which you do not believe in, don't understand, find confusing and find contradictory, and believe all to be a "myth" anyway,  can you?   That is where you shot all your of your fkn toes clean  off , princess. 


That is why you are "disagreeable" with the bible. And why it would be better if you were more agreeable.  

 Stop with you bullshit.

It should be of no concerns to you that I am in total opposition to what the pastors and priest have been preaching and teaching about  the Jesus story and the bible.

  In fact you should be agreeing with me  and supporting me because I have been "proactive" and that I have "taken the bull by the horns" , or have you forgotten that  that  is another one of your recommended ideas for combating  what you have called a "dangerous religion that is threat to our children"#20 Timid8967


Everyone disagrees with you. Neither the Christians, nor the Muslims, nor the Jews, nor the atheists. NO ONE agrees with your disagreeableness.  

You cannot know that. I know many people that do agree with me, hundreds in fact.  And I wouldn't expect the devout christian to agree with with me. I didn't come onto this forum to convert anyone. I wouldn't be so stupid to even think I could. But you do don't you? How fkn stupid can one be to believe they could eradicate religion altogether. 

I have come here to highlight , scrutinise and question the scriptures and you protest so much against me doing that... far to much me thinks.



I only have to read it once - and as I said - for me it is not a matter of believing the bible anymore than me having to agree with Plato or Aristotle or any particular myth. 

So again, what business is it of yours how I read these scriptures that you don't believe and call "mythical"?#16    It should be no concern of yours whatsoever, but here you are protesting that I believe and tell a slightly different story to the one "we" non believers and and "us" atheists have had rammed down our throats for over 2000 years! 



If we cannot agree with what the bible says - then it is pointless having a discussion with you.

 Then don't.  But I know perfectly well what the bible says and I think it is a `miracle ` that you know what the bible says, a bible that YOU say you found "confusing and contradictory"#186 and all after only one reading.!?  Like I have said you complain far too much about me and what I write for my liking . You are a nine faced contradictory hypocrite. 


You are someone who "knows it all"

  No, just a little more than you will ever live to  know. 

And someone that "knows it all" doesn't continually ask questions. You are desperate to shut me up and stop talking about my own opinions theories and ideas concerning the these unreliable and ambiguous half stories that make up these scriptures.  And I see that in every single fkn post you make.





and cannot be taught.

Taught what? 


You are what people refer to as "unteachable".  

 You really are desperate, ain't you princess?

It was put to me that I am inconsistent in my position in respect of the above question.
Yes  and put to you by me, here>>>> #154

Ahhh - So now you are bragging about yourself? How delightful. 
My you really are desperate  .

but no..  I am Just making it clear who it was you are referring to when you spoke of  a "he"  and didn't mention who. Or have you forgotten  your own shite again?

here you are

->@Timid8967 wrote: It was put to me [no name]  that I am inconsistent in my position in respect of the above question. And perhaps, he [no name] is correct in his assessment. 
Yes,it was me . I called you inconsistent and a hypocrite on this thread here>>#154 and yes I am correct in my assessment.


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We pollute the earth and then there is no air left for them to breathe. No talking required.

Side effect includes: We die too from it.
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Ask Stalin or China.
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Just like you prefer to argue with Stephen, and ignore common sense.
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So agreed, how do I stop it? 
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Try not going on religious forums, and you won't be exposed to RELIGION. Easy.
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Isn't that exactly what some pretend "religious persons" like Stephen and the Brother want? 
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What do you want? To eradicate religion?
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There is no requirement to post in every forum. If someone doesn't like religious discussion there are other sections to post in. 
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Stephen criticizes using a mirror, so the validity is personal.
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Well said. Some ought to oblige.
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How do we stop giving religious movements airtime and oxygen without talking about them?
Teach science, reason, and history from an early age. 
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Teach science, reason, and history from an early age. 
That's already done. If you want to eradicate religion you have to ban it being practiced. Nobody wants to say that but that is really the only way. 
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One solution "they" might try is talking to us rather than viciously about us. If they own the site, that's one thing, but they do not. Theoretically, all are welcome. Not so much, but I don't think any one side ought to presume they are exclusively welcome.
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How do we stop giving religious movements airtime and oxygen without talking about them?

Talking about them will not give them oxygen. Supporting them will. Whatever we do in this forum is purely discussion.

It was put to me that I am inconsistent in my position in respect of the above question. And perhaps, he is correct in his assessment.

I doubt that, I'd like to know whom you think is correct. None of the people I can think of would rarely be correct in that they offer truth as it stands. The regulars in this forum are dopes, a few of them okay. 

Nevertheless, until there is a simple manner on how we can do it, then the ordinary cut and thrust of the so called religious discussion on this forum is unhelpful.

Yes it is, because the main people within this forum are basically stupid, you will never find anything helpful outside of someone who has a firm grasp on spirituality as a whole. The ones that could help you are so few and far in between you would be shocked.

It goes around and around and around - it gets bitter and twisted and nasty.

Welcome to public religious forums.

I wonder how many others think this is the case or whether I am alone?  Please care to comment.

I've been reading your posts. If you're not the nutcase we know as Willows who has a problem with obsession and multi-accounting then I think you bring some interesting things to the table. One, I like how you support the idea that atheists often times create strawman concepts that don't really deal with Theistic arguments in a rational way. I get that, it makes sense. On the other hand there's a lot of wacky ideas about God, and religion often times doesn't help the matter but makes it worse. So you have to find someone who has a good grasp on all concepts about God and who can articulate what is true through experience and intelligence in a logical manner.
So fortunately for you, you have a good start to actually get a foothold on what's going on because of your willingness to expand on ideas. You just need the right individual to talk to. That could be like finding a needle in a hay stack! Depending on what you would like to discuss and how open minded and intuitive you are, we can get the ball rolling right now and make some headway beyond what most people discuss. At this point I'll allow you to go in any direction you would like, all topics on the table. Just let me know where you would like to start.

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Ignorance is bliss.

But I would suggest, that you actually enjoy interacting with Stephen in the way that you do.

Stephen enjoys pointing out biblical contradictions, and others enjoy refuting his claims.....All good harmless discussion.

Quite frankly...What would be the point otherwise?
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->@Timid8967
What do you want? To eradicate religion?
Well this is what he is saying he believes about religion, the bible and Jesus and god;



Religion is one of those institutions which cause inequality and ought to be stamped out. 

This is why non-religious need to take the bull by the horns - for our children, for our principles, for our future survival. #153


 So why give air to a subject that ought to be closed down? It seems tome - the more you bring this sort of stuff up - the more air time and the larger the myth becomes.  #16

 So it appears then  that if he had his way that is exactly what he aims to do. And all the  while  he is  also suggesting that it is for  the atheist that they should bare the burden of proving that god doesn't exist   he's also categorically stating that it is the "theist that carries the burden of proof". #61

And it is  this that is hypocritical, and it is this that is inconsistent.  Indeed he says it/religion should be "cancelled"#18 and 
And when  you think it couldn't get any more inconsistent or anymore hypocritical  he tells us the Jesus story is a "myth"#240 and that the bible,  a book that he says in a mess of confusing contradictions, #186should be destroyed by fire #8.

And he doesn't stop there. For while I am doing exactly what he appears to be wanting people to do, he slams them/me for exposing those  very  "confusing mess of contradictions" the bible actually is while he "wishes" that I would be more agreeable with the bible". #25 



One simply couldn't be more inconsistent or more contradictory! 

He's a fraud. And I say that for all of the points I have raised above.
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Don't partake in religious talks. If you must, avoid forums and go one on one inbox. Live like you don't want to have anything to do with religion. I feel like its more on you taking oxygen than the religious people lol.
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Why is it that everyone thinks I am someone else?

I am not willows. I am not tradesecret. I am not ethang5. I am not brotherdthomas. I am not PGA2.0.

So over the politics. 




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I think you're Timid8967.
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I am still waiting to hear your own  propositions and ideas about how  "  we"  and  "us" go about not "giving religious movements air time & oxygen". without speaking about it?


 I mean, you have clearly displayed many times to us now your total abhorrence for religion &  " religious movements" and your own zealousness for its eradication  I can't help wondering why you hadn't shared any thoughts of your own.

I personally think you are crazy to believe the Christian religion that you believe is and singled out as a "cancer" and see as a "danger to our children"can be " cancelled"#18.  I don't agree that the bible that you have found to be "confusing and contradictory"#186 and to be "all over the place"#6 should be put to the flame either  #8,  because I believe the bible to have as substantial historicity to it.

You can tell us all day long  about your "non theistism" but simply telling us that you have only read the bible once , don't believe in god and that Jesus is a "myth"  and all the above,  goes nowhere in offering any solution to what appears to be only  your own dilemma.
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Why is it that everyone thinks I am someone else?

I can't speak for anyone else but for one, there's a nutcase that stalks this forum and presents many sides of his weird arse personality disorder. So every time he is banned one has to wonder whether or not that weirdo is putting forth yet another fake arse member. Anyways I'll know who you are and who you aren't as we discuss something. No need to get paranoid about it. If you aren't Willows then we could have a nice discussion. Depends on how interested you are and how far you want to go with it.

I am not willows. I am not tradesecret. I am not ethang5. I am not brotherdthomas. I am not PGA2.0.

So over the politics.


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I have never been banned from any site.  

I suppose I am being paranoid. It is just frustrating.

I am always up for a good discussion. It appears that some are here just to spew nonsense.