The Israeli-Arab conflict

Eager to hear your thoughts. 

It is incredibly complex. Anyone who gives you the pro-Palestine/pro-Israel narrative is missing a lot. I have researched this topic for years and I have seen an endless number of biased sources tell only one side of the story. Be careful who you trust. 

The obvious thing right now is that Israel should not be occupying the West Bank and turning a group's homeland into a series of military checkpoints. Besides that, I do not have a strong opinion. 

I suppose you also opposed JFK's decision to make Cuba a military checkpoint for Nuclear Missile Silos.

Israel doesn't have anything to fear from Palestine any more than the USA has to fear Cuba. It's the larger players like Russia and Iran funding the proxy wars through Hamas and the PLO that are the real threat.

Israel as an institution is a relatively free state as a whole and is one of the only true Jewish states out there at the moment (granted I have no idea about the in's and out's of this).

Muslim states are not that religiously tolerant at all and when empires form, they will kill and convert people to Muslim. The ignorance comes from saying Islam is a peaceful religion when there are specific quotes talking about murdering those who do not believe. The Ottomans did the same to the Greeks with brutal torture and conversion, yet no one attempts to shun them.

The minute that the Jewish try to defend their state given, they are attacked. This is the first ever Jewish state and yet there are various other Muslim states out there. People really don't understand that the Jewish have been scapegoated for various years and some form of land should be given to them

I wonder why some rich Native Americans haven't bought up land in Kansas and then tried to form their own country.

See American Holocaust: D. Stannard (Oxford Press, 1992) – “over 100 million killed” “[Christopher] Columbus personally murdered half a million Natives”

What about terrorist attacks and military retribution, missiles fired at population centres, the polarization of the UN with economic pressure of Arab oil and military actions by Israel towards states like Libya? These seem like major points more important than a mere occupation; which after all is not unique. On the grand scale of things, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is only a small part of the Israeli-Arab conflict.

Native Americans kill themselves just fine on their own reservations with no involvement at all from Americans.

Indian Reservations are completely managed by communal tribes and have the worst property rights laws in the entire world. with the government holding the deeds to all property. It's absolutely no wonder at all why the reservations are hellholes.

Every Indian reservation is a dystopian disaster of pernicious Marxist socialism where NO people are not allowed to own property strictly enforced by federal treaties and Everything is centrally planned.

Do you have no thoughts of your own?

Yet, though I still want to listen and wait for now.

That is not a good way to phrase something like that. Especially because issues that are important or unimportant are not necessarily determined by how many people they affect. 

And when I talk about the Israeli-Arab conflict with people I know, etc. we usually refer to the situations that are outgrowths of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I understand there's more to it than that, but if you ask for opinions on the Israeli-Arab conflict I don't see what's wrong with sharing something about Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which is part of it after all. 

If you want to talk about the results of Israel's geopolitical power, I imagine they're not exactly a force for international stability. But what are you going to do. 

It's pretty simple. Abraham bore two sons: Ishmael, by his wife's handmaiden, and Isaac by his wife, in that order. Ultimately, Abraham gave the birthright to Isaac. Jealousy pushed Ishmael's nose out of place. Further, Isaac begat Jacob [re-named Israel], and Jacob begat the House of Israel [12 sons], and Ishmael's progeny has been pushing, and the House of Israel pushing back ever since.

Iran is the number one driver in almost all of the Middle Eastern conflicts. USA is number 2.

Especially the pro-Palestine side tends to omit how horrific Hamas are to their own people, I am sure there's biased sources on both sides.

I hope peace can eventually happen but it seems unrealistic for now.

There was a recent terrorist attack in both Afghanistan and Indonesia (where I live). I felt the most vivid forms of grief and despair. It was a surreal experience in which I experienced a new type of fear. Really, I think the chances of being blown up are pretty high. I support Israel for the simple fact that Palestinians support HAMAS (an actual terrorist organization).

Not sure why you're @ing me. 

I am also not entirely sure why you are @ing me. Please explain yourself in detail.

Because you @ed me. 

and?

What do you mean "and"? You asked me a question and I answered it. 

I'm disappointed.

Why's that?

and?

Oh, Grey. I told you not to keep picking your own mushrooms.

And?

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Though I would say that the U.S.A is Number 1 by Israeli demand, and Iran is inevitably going to be Number 2.....As the U.S et al, have systematically suppressed other serious opposition. 

And Semites were Semites, but ideology was divergent.....Such is humanity.

The rich Native American might first want to re-think that self-appointed nomenclature which was not used by them until the 1960s. They did not invent the term, either. It was first coined by Irish immigrants to the Colonies in the early 17th century to distinguish themselves from later Irish immigrants. The indigenes referred to themselves by their tribal names. So, whose culture usurped whose?

The Israelian occupation of the west bank started in 1967 and has been in effect for more than half a century. Before 1967, the piece of land was occupied by the Transjordanian kingdom - also illegally I might add. Before that, the piece was a part of the British mandate "Palestine", which included Israel, Gaza, Jordan and the west bank. Before that, it was controlled by the Ottomans. It would be dubious to claim that the current occupation is more a legal problem than any of the previous ones. Additionally, the territory is important for Israel's security, an all-important thing for the Israelian state due to the 6+ wars and conflicts with the Arabs. 

If we are talking about issues in terms of importance, aka priority and feasibility of solving, the occupation of the west bank isn't high on the list. 

Even if you could instantly remove this occupation, who is to say that Arabs won't invade Israel in an attempt to eradicate the state as they did in 1948 and later in 1973?

Hamas attack Israel countlessly

Israel responds back

OH LOOK AT THIS OMG LOOK FREE PALESTINE

Free Palestine from Hamas.

Israel has absolutely no right to its existence and assert a Jewish apartheid, the land rightfully belongs to Palestine.

Amazing how having a foreign people come into your land, kick you out of your properties, impoverish you, seize your homes, repress and threaten your holy sites (FYI stupid evangelicals, many Palestinians are Christians), cut you off from clean water and establish an apartheid is all glossed over but think about MUH ATTACKS on Israel! 

I could care less if Tel Aviv is nuked or if a genocide of pesky Israelis occurs. I would prefer it not happen of course... But I find it hard to feel any sympathy to the perpetrators of an apartheid state against the Palestinians.