Why China is superior.

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China has 3 famous curses to warn their children.

  • May you live in interesting times.
  • May you be recognized by people in high places (sometimes also reported as: May you attract the attention of the government)
  • May you find what you’re looking for.
Americans are continuously beset with problems from not heeding these curses.

Most Americans want to live in a world where all their needs and wants are fulfilled, not understanding that it would inevitably lead to mass suicide and violence from purposeless lives.

Consider this experiment in a Utopian society void of any meaningful purpose for life.


This experiment was repeated with many other species of animals always with the same result.

A society that has everything is populated with people that have no hope for a better future.

A population with no hope has no reason to procreate and make a family.

Something to consider as America continues to struggle with drug addiction, obesity, and a lack of ambition, creating conflict just to stave off the inevitable mass suicides.

And it's already known from Darwin's studies that species need stressors to learn and grow and evolve. The reason why humans became smarter than chimps is because the chimps kicked humans out of the forest.


The unintended consequence of Utopia...is extinction.
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Scathing critique?
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Utopia is perhaps non-organic.

And China is only China when viewed from the Earth.

Viewed from elsewhere it is the same speck of cosmic dust.


But of course Americans have GOD on their side......Smile.



And China is as much a victim of it's own success, as The USA is.

Though China still has the advantage of millions of people with a bowl of rice and a uniform mentality.

I admire much more, stoic Russian  indifference.
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I really enjoyed China using BLM at the most recent gathering to unite the world against America.

Smug satisfaction!


Longer version of Americabad party

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Actually, China used to aim precisely for a life where all are fulfilled. It did so by embracing Taoism. Instead, it moved away from Taoism towards Confucianism (which is much more materialistic and stoic). The major issue with this newer mentality and approach was (and is) that people with very little feel shit.

There are still Taoists in Japan, they exist as hermits and villagers, as well as Buddhidts of a similar approach and ethos that exist predominantly as villagers also or Shaolin monks. The rate of suicide amongst them is nearly 0%, whereas the rate of suicide amongst the materialistic Confucianists and atheists is much higher.

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"If you fall seven times, get up 8"  is a Spanish proverb that is popular everywhere. There is also "God helps those who help themselves." Lots of  nuggets of wisdom from cultures all over the world, that are not necessarily superior. 

How does China  create a  better outcome or livelihood  for its citizens living there today? It would be fair to say we should adopt different policies from many places, while leaving other ones behind.
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It is 100% a Japanese proverb. It refers to "Nanakorobi, yaoki" which was an ancient saying amongst the Samurai which the Ninja also picked up in their training mantra. The idea being not just to persevere but that even if you're guaranteed to lose, you stand up and take it like a champ because staying laying down and being defeated anyway isn't worth any respect or value in Japanese culture.

The Spanish never had such a saying until after World War 2 where a lot more about Japanese culture was discovered by the Europeans.
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The Spanish never had such a saying until after World War 2 where a lot more about Japanese culture was discovered by the Europeans.

So it is a Spanish proverb that originated in Japan. Good to know, but I am more interested in learning how China creates  a better outcome or livelihood  for its citizens living there today. 
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It doesn't. The citizens in China are scared and oppressed, worked to death without any compensation even if
they lose a limb due to terrible factory safety conditions.

The fact this place calls itself left-wing and thinks it's not a corporatist dictatorship is the most absurd aspect of its politics.

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@RatMan.

China's political "aspects" have always been comparatively absurd.


Who knows what purpose might or might not lie beyond today and your fears.


The future is bright, but the future might not necessarily be American....or Chinese for that matter.
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Consider this experiment in a Utopian society void of any meaningful purpose for life.

Consider this "experiment",

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In a few thousand years, MAYBE fit Humans can be selected to exist in a Utopian world. The current genes will NOT allow it though. Not without an extinction event as shown with the mice experiment.

Good video though about how genes change over a million years.
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Yes, I know that China is not superior, that's why I was looking for an explanation from Greyparrot but he did not respond. 
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Lots of  nuggets of wisdom from cultures all over the world, that are not necessarily superior. 
Some cultures embrace wisdom more than others.
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100% correct.  It happens to large countries/empires with supposed unlimited wealth. Boomers were the first to grow up with this wealth and based their economic policy on their childhood experiences. The problem is, there is no real infinite wealth.

Example with Rome.


"... Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions — everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses"


Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business

"Postman argues that commercial television has become derivative of advertising. Moreover, modern television commercials are not "a series of testable, logically ordered assertions" rationalizing consumer decisions, but "is a drama—a mythology, if you will—of handsome people" being driven to "near ecstasy by their good fortune" of possessing advertised goods or services. "The truth or falsity of an advertiser's claim is simply not an issue" because more often than not "no claims are made, except those the viewer projects onto or infers from the drama." Because commercial television is programmed according to ratings, its content is determined by commercial feasibility, not critical acumen. Television in its present state, he says, does not satisfy the conditions for honest intellectual involvement and rational argument."
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If you want, I will challenge you to a Rated debate on this, so that it's actually worth the effort to me in some shape or form.

You too often troll your way out of situations with me on the forums.

Chinese citizens commit suicide at a rate that isn't even known because they are like 'dirt' to the government there, they don't record all suicides at all and all stats from China are censored.

I have no clue what you're even trying to suggest either, since both Chinese and American culture has a huge amount of dissatisfaction among the populace.
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China isn't short-sighted enough to ignore genetics and pursue a self-extinction event by chasing a utopian society.

America most certainly is with consumer culture.
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Do you have an issue with the mouse experiment regarding utopian societies and genetics?
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Check out this chart.

America right now is in between the Apathy and dependence stages.
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we dont live in orwell's world. We live in Huxley's world

And yep, that chart is spot on
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A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to complacency; From complacency to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.

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China is on the Courage stage of that cycle, so it has about another 150 years of life left for its society.
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spot on, I recommend "the fate of empires"
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In a few thousand years, MAYBE fit Humans can be selected to exist in a Utopian world. The current genes will NOT allow it though. Not without an extinction event as shown with the mice experiment.

Good video though about how genes change over a million years.
Try 10 days,

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And it's already known from Darwin's studies that species need stressors to learn and grow and evolve. The reason why humans became smarter than chimps is because the chimps kicked humans out of the forest.

I highly recommend every episode of "Mind Field".
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Also,

Alexander’s experiments, in the 1970s, have come to be called the “Rat Park".  1 Researchers had already proved that when rats were placed in a cage, all alone, with no other community of rats, and offered two water bottles-one filled with water and the other with heroin or cocaine-the rats would repetitively drink from the drug-laced bottles until they all overdosed and died. Like pigeons pressing a pleasure lever, they were relentless, until their bodies and brains were overcome, and they died.

But Alexander wondered: is this about the drug or might it be related to the setting they were in? To test his hypothesis, he put rats in “rat parks,” where they were among others and free to roam and play, to socialize and to have sex. And they were given the same access to the same two types of drug laced bottles. When inhabiting a “rat park,” they remarkably preferred the plain water. Even when they did imbibe from the drug-filled bottle, they did so intermittently, not obsessively, and never overdosed. A social community beat the power of drugs. [**]
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You should really do some research into why people give up on life when they have no purpose.

It's a genetic vestigial trait of a fit species that survived a millennia of strife. Genes are not changing anywhere near as fast as technology.

We have essentially the same genes as a caveman with the same genetic impulses and instincts.
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You should really do some research into why people give up on life when they have no purpose.

It's a genetic vestigial trait of a fit species that survived a millennia of strife. Genes are not changing anywhere near as fast as technology.

We have essentially the same genes as a caveman with the same genetic impulses and instincts.
(IFF) your hypothesis is correct (THEN) why don't most lazy trust-fund kids just kill themselves?

I mean, they're set-for-life.

They don't need to work for their food.
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Many kids of celebrities do just that.
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Many kids of celebrities do just that.
More than the poor kids?