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@3RU7AL
So? Were you not listening, I wasn’t asking in regards to motives.
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@Tarik
So? Were you not listening, I wasn’t asking in regards to motives.
Do you believe a dollar can be moral?
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@3RU7AL
How do you just change course like that?
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@Tarik
So? Were you not listening, I wasn’t asking in regards to motives.
That is a shame since I was writing in regards to motives.
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@secularmerlin
Well providing for someone else isn’t that.
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@Tarik
Well providing for someone else isn’t that.
Are you suggesting that you can provide for someone without motivation?
Like perhaps you are providing for the raccoons that live off the trash you throw away?
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@3RU7AL
Like perhaps you are providing for the raccoons that live off the trash you throw away?
I guess so
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@Tarik
Motivations: the reason or reasons one has for acting or behaving in a particular way.
In other words a goal. If your goal is to care for others then that will dictate your actions. If your goal is only self care then that will determine your actions. Under the right circumstances the actions may coincidentally coincide but the motive is what this is about I assure you.
I started the conversation I ought to know.
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@Tarik
Like perhaps you are providing for the raccoons that live off the trash you throw away?I guess so
So, do you think you're (morally) responsible for providing for and attracting raccoons that carry rabies that end up infecting (and killing) your neighbor's dog?
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@3RU7AL
So, do you think you're (morally) responsible for providing for and attracting raccoons that carry rabies that end up infecting (and killing) your neighbor's dog?
Well that cuts right to the heart of the matter.
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@secularmerlin
Under the right circumstances the actions may coincidentally coincide but the motive is what this is about I assure you.
Your forum can be about whatever you want it to be about but WHAT I CHOOSE TO ASK YOU IS JUST THAT, WHAT I CHOOSE TO ASK YOU AND I ASKED YOU A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO AN ACTION AND THAT ACTION HAPPENS TO BE ONE THAT YOU’VE UTTERED PREVIOUSLY SO ITS NOT AS FARFETCHED AS YOUR MAKING IT OUT TO BE REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT YOU CREATED THE FORUM, YOUR RIGHT TO CREATE THE FORUM HAS NO BEARING ON MY RIGHT TO CRITIQUE IT PERIOD.
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@3RU7AL
So, do you think you're (morally) responsible for providing for and attracting raccoons that carry rabies that end up infecting (and killing) your neighbor's dog?
What does this have to do with what we were previously discussing?
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@Tarik
Well whatever the question was if it ignores motives then it is besides the point.
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@secularmerlin
I think I would know the point of my own question, and considering it’s predicated on what YOU SAID that’s where the relevance is, that’s THE POINT.
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@Tarik
If your question does not take motives into account then it is besides the point because the A.F.S.F.S.M is an argument specifically about motives.
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@secularmerlin
Just because you created the forum doesn’t mean your correct about everything it pertains to, and ACCORDING TO YOU providing for someone is apart of it and that’s an action not a motive whether you like it or not period.
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@Tarik
Just because you created the forum doesn’t mean your correct about everything it pertains to, and ACCORDING TO YOU providing for someone is apart of it and that’s an action not a motive whether you like it or not period.
No that is a goal not an action. Going to work is an action. Paying your bills is an action. Purchasing food is an action.
Making sure your family has a secure home and plenty to ear is the goal which these actions are performed and in as much as those are actions they are not goals themselves but serve the larger goal of providing for your family.
Every human action is by necessity motivated by something. Human action and human motivation are inseparable.
It is foolish to discuss actions and not motives especially if you are evaluating whether or not an action is self serving.
Self serving action = action motivated by self interest.
That seems so obvious that I'm surprised that I need to say it but here we are.
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@secularmerlin
No that is a goal not an action.
No it’s both, when you provide a stranger money in order to do that you have to ACT. It’s like your getting duller by the hour or your trying to annoy me but if it’s the latter then game on kid.
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@Tarik
There are two kinds of goals. There is your main goal, what you really care about and there are the smaller goals you perform to reach that larger desire.
Why work? To make money? Why make money? To buy things? Why buy things? Because your family needs them to survive? Why bother making sure your family survives?
I don't know what your personal answer is but it is what really motivates all the rest.
Of course that is simplified in order to make the point and people have wide ranging goals but in the end there are things you want and things you need to do to get what you want (or that you imagine you must do).
The gial of providing for people (in as much as it isn't an act but rather the end goal of action which will provide for them) is predicated upon some motive. Is it because you live them? Because you need them for personal survival, protection or profit? Is it because you think all life is worth preserving? Whichever one that is the motive behind any act of caregiving.
Any act divorced from motive is unlikely to ever be carried out. Why bother discussing a non situation?
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@Tarik
In order to do that you have to ACT.
In order to do ANYTHING you have to act and acts are MOTIVATED by something.
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@secularmerlin
In order to do ANYTHING you have to act and acts are MOTIVATED by something.
So what? That’s not what I asked you.
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@Tarik
In order to do ANYTHING you have to act and acts are MOTIVATED by something.So what? That’s not what I asked you.
Then what you asked me has absolutely nothing to do with the A.F.S.F.S.M.
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@secularmerlin
Yes it does, I didn’t extrapolate that question out of thin air it’s predicated on things YOU SAID.
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@Tarik
Yes it does, I didn’t extrapolate that question out of thin air it’s predicated on things YOU SAID.
I must have been in error or perhaps entertaining a tangential point hoping to return to the actual conversation once your questions had been answered.
The truth is that motive is baked in to the A.F.S.F.S.M.
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@secularmerlin
And so is action because I was able to logically extrapolate that from it.
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@secularmerlin
@Tarik
And ingredients are baked into a Cake....But all that we can logically extrapolate is Cake.
Do you like my metaphor?
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@zedvictor4
...I mean you can extrapolate flour, eggs, sugar, etc.
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@Tarik
And so is action because I was able to logically extrapolate that from it.
I don't know what to tell you. Motives produce actions and discussing the motives of a given action is not necessarily besides the point but discussing an action without acknowledging the underlying motives is entirely besides the point.
That is, as you say, an entirely different narrative which is NOT what we are discussing here.
If you wanted to discuss something else you are welcome to make your own thread.
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@zedvictor4
And ingredients are baked into a Cake....But all that we can logically extrapolate is Cake.Do you like my metaphor?
I like it just fine but then I understand metaphor.
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@secularmerlin
If you wanted to discuss something else you are welcome to make your own thread.
It’s not something else if it’s predicated on what YOU SAID.