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@secularmerlin
How does one benefit from caring for others?
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@Tarik
Humans cannot survive without other humans. We benefit by making our own survival possible.
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@secularmerlin
Even if that is true that has nothing to do with caring.
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@Tarik
The behavior under discussion IS caring for others.
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@secularmerlin
Yes and acknowledging you need others to survive isn’t equivalent to caring for them.
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@Tarik
Humans need each other to survive. We MUST care for each other or survival would be impossible.
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@secularmerlin
We MUST care for each other or survival would be impossible.
Prove it
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@Tarik
Are you seriously suggesting that humans do not need one another in order for the species to survive?
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@secularmerlin
No, I’m suggesting that one can survive WITHOUT caring for others.
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@Tarik
No, I’m suggesting that one can survive WITHOUT caring for others.
This is not sustainable on a large scale. The species would die out. The species has not died out. What does that tell us?
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@secularmerlin
Just that, it doesn’t tell us that every living breathing human is caring for other living breathing humans.
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@Tarik
Just that, it doesn’t tell us that every living breathing human is caring for other living breathing humans.
No two humans are alike. You show me some human belief or voluntary behavior and I'll show you a belief or voluntary behavior that not every living breathing human shares.
The point isn't that we all do the point is that it is counterproductive not too.
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@secularmerlin
The point isn't that we all do the point is that it is counterproductive not too.
In terms of survival? Like I said before prove it.
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@Tarik
I'm not sure what you mean. The survival of the species is predicated on cooperation.
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@secularmerlin
Even if that is true you can still cooperate without caring for one another, and I mean exactly what your saying if your gonna make BOLD claims like you can’t survive without caring for another human then your gonna have to prove it period.
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@Tarik
P1 you cannot survive without others to care for and about you.
P2 others are more likely to care for and about you if you care for and about them.
C caring for and about others increases your chances for survival.
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@secularmerlin
P1 you cannot survive without others to care for and about you.
Prove it.
Humans require social contact. Over time, the stress of being isolated can cause a range of mental health problems. According to Dr. Sharon Shalev, who authored A Sourcebook on Solitary Confinement in 2008, these problems may include:
- anxiety and stress
- depression and hopelessness
- anger, irritability, and hostility
- panic attacks
- worsened preexisting mental health issues
- hypersensitivity to sounds and smells
- problems with attention, concentration, and memory
- hallucinations that affect all of the senses
- paranoia
- poor impulse control
- social withdrawal
- outbursts of violence
- psychosis
- fear of death
- self-harm or suicide
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@secularmerlin
Humans require social contact.
I didn’t say to prove they need social contact, I asked to prove they need to care for others there’s a difference.
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@Tarik
Please explain the difference.
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@secularmerlin
Ever heard of something called hatred? Well you can have that for someone you’ve made SOCIAL CONTACT with, are you seriously going to equate caring to hatred?
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@Tarik
Please explain what "caring for others" means to you if not providing for the needs of others such as the need for social contact.
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@secularmerlin
Don’t try to move the goal post over here, this is YOUR forum if your gonna make BOLD claims then your gonna have to prove them period.
I didn’t say to prove they need social contact, I asked to prove they need to care for others there’s a difference.Please explain the difference.Ever heard of something called hatred? Well you can have that for someone you’ve made SOCIAL CONTACT with, are you seriously going to equate caring to hatred?Please explain what "caring for others" means to you if not providing for the needs of others such as the need for social contact.
As you can see the goal post of caring for others has not changed.
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@secularmerlin
...And I answered the call once I mentioned hatred, you asking me what caring looks like is a separate narrative, you can’t fairly leapfrog the subject without proving your claim.
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@Tarik
I cannot prove care if we cannot agree on a definition. If you do not like my definition of caring for others (providing for their needs) then please offer an alternative definition and see if we can agree to it.
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@secularmerlin
I cannot prove care if we cannot agree on a definition.
That’s not how semantics works, the definitions of words isn’t predicated on whether or not you and I agree on them their meanings are beyond us, nonetheless you conceded that you can’t prove your first premise so as far as this discussion is concerned the whole syllogism collapses miserably.
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@Tarik
the definitions of words isn’t predicated on whether or not you and I agree on them
For the purposes of this conversation that is literally THE ONLY THING that matters.
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@secularmerlin
nonetheless you conceded that you can’t prove your first premise so as far as this discussion is concerned the whole syllogism collapses miserably.
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@Tarik
I cannot prove care if we cannot agree on a definition.That’s not how semantics works, the definitions of words isn’t predicated on whether or not you and I agree on them their meanings are beyond us, nonetheless you conceded that you can’t prove your first premise so as far as this discussion is concerned the whole syllogism collapses miserably.
It is true that if you dogmatically reject any definition provided and you refuse to offer any that I agree with then neither of us could prove anything whatever. This is a breakdown in communication however which is quite different to conceding my point. At some point your failure to be able to understand my point is more of a you problem than a me problem.