economic libertarians are clowns

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how can u justify being an economic libertarian in the usa? for the most part, the only welfare that exists, is food stamps, a one time education benefit, and if you're lucky, healthcare. i suppose there are those tax credits for parents too poor to have kids. we dont have much of a welfare state, but here you are saying what we do have is too much. compared to the rest of the world, even the democratic party is largely conservative, yet here you are claiming a radical version of conservatism. 

do you libertarians like being a radical? 

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I like how the minute I made a post about it you specifically make this thread.

You are delusional if you believe America does not have a lot of welfare programs. 
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it's still a minimal welfare state. what are some examples of welfare that you want to get rid of? 

do you think people with severe disabilities shouldn't get seven hundred a month? do you think the very rare small percent of the population shouldn't get housing assistance? 

what is it in our meager welfare state that irks you so much? 

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Please quote were I said that the severely disabled should not be given welfare. Please do say so

I would get rid of unemployment benefits. I am sick and tired of leeches on the South Side of Chicago using their unemployment to purchase guns and drugs to kill people. These people milk the system for personal gain. There needs to be valid proof of an attempt for an employment. It is too easy to forge these documents or lie or not even have to show evidence

Never did I say that we should cut those programs, but I simply said that expanding any of these programs is ultimately bad

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Economic libertartianism isn't good, but not for the reasons you listed. 
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it's still a minimal welfare state.

Are you nuts? The American government budget is more than all 3rd world nations combined, and there's a "minimal" welfare state?
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I'd like to challenge every young indoctrinated mind full of Marxist mush to watch this biosummary and decide on what exact basis Dr. Sowell is a "Clown"
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  • The first lesson of economics is scarcity: there is never enough of anything to fully satisfy all those who want it.
  • The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics
-Dr. Thomas Sowell
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I would get rid of unemployment benefits.
You clearly haven't thought through what it can do to families that depended on the unemployed former breadwinner, as well as individuals who need money to survive the next few days.

 using their unemployment to purchase guns and drugs to kill people.
This is solvable, if you support surveillance, sting operations and using tax dollars to invest in the erradication of guns from society. You see, once guns are removed, thugs will find it much harder to enforce their drug empire as snitches become less terrified.
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You are delusional if you believe America does not have a lot of CORPORATE welfare programs. 
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there is never enough of anything to fully satisfy all those who want it.
Have you ever heard of tulips?
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The American government budget is more than all 3rd world nations combined, and there's a "minimal" welfare state?
Are you including military and prison spending in your ad hoc "welfare state" calculation?
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Economic libertartianism isn't good, but not for the reasons you listed. 
It worked out quite nicely for J. D. Rockefeller.

Wouldn't it really boost the corporate profit margins if you could simply pay your employees in carnival tokens? [FOR EXAMPLE]
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Are you including military and prison spending in your ad hoc "welfare state" calculation?
Well said. Not to mention how little effort the American Government has put into the implementation of public education.
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Are you including military and prison spending in your ad hoc "welfare state" calculation?

Don't forget corporate welfare. It's all services for the welfare of America.
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Not to mention how little effort the American Government has put into the implementation of public education.

Lots of money and very little effort. Well said.
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Have you ever heard of tulips?

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Why does your mind automatically go to people on the south side of Chicago using drugs and guns when thinking of unemployment benefits? This racist thinking has been used strategically by politicians to stoke white resentment and demonize public assistance programs, despite the fact that white Americans are, and always have been, the biggest beneficiaries of welfare programs.


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Please define how an area of Chicago being more in poverty than other areas is racist. The same people in Mississippi and West Virginia mooch off the middle class just as much as low poverty places. This isn't a race issue. 
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It is racist that when you think of unemployment insurance, you automatically think of black people trying to exploit the system. You did not mention white people in Mississippi "mooching off the system" until I pointed out that white people utilize social programs more than black people do.

Why do you assume people are mooching off the system and not legitimately unable to find work? Isn't the whole reason Donald Trump allegedly won in 2016 because people couldn't find good jobs?  You can't have it both ways and say unemployed people are lazy and mooching but simultaneously can't find jobs because they're all being taken by illegal workers or sent overseas. 

You can lose unemployment benefits if you refuse to accept reasonable work, i.e. work you are qualified for paying market salary. But if you acknowledge that people on the south side of Chicago (or Mississippi) live in poverty, why do you have a problem with them getting unemployment insurance?
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Please show where I said black people who mooch off the system. Anyone can mooch off the system. This is not a race issue. Where it is more prevalent where mooching occurs is where I will be most inclined to site. In Chicago, that is where I see it the most from my experiences. If I lived in a different state, would it be different based on perspective? 

You are putting words into mouth I have never said. I have said that the pathway to citizenship should be easier. I've also maintained firm that illegal aliens should not be offered the same benefits as a middle class American, who puts their taxes into the government. I don't think they should be deported, but they are illegal and NOT citizens and thus should not receive the same benefits given to the citizens. This is what most countries believe, in fact you go to prison for such crimes.

I said there should be stricter requirements for unemployment. You need to show full evidence of an attempt to get a job and the reason you declined. You also need to show what you did with the money with evidence. People become ultimately lazy when they receive handouts and lose motivation.