Jesus could really have been born on december 25

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On december 21 we are having the Bethlehem star being able to be viewed in our night sky's.This is the very same star that was said to have lead the three wise man to baby jesus.This is the same star that baby jesus had on his birthday.This star has not appeared in over 8000 years

The star that baby jesus had on the day of his birthday Is happening december 21. It has been rumored that jesus was born on december 25.Just a 4 day difference.The same star that was said to appear on december 25 on the day jesus is born. is happening december 21 2020.Meaning that chrismas might really be jesus birthday or it is 4 days off and jesus birthday is really december 21.



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Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars

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On december 21 we are having the Bethlehem star being able to be viewed in our night sky's.
Not a star but the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn as seen from Earth.

This is the very same star that was said to have lead the three wise man to baby jesus.
There are many theories regarding the nature of the Star of Bethlehem.  There closest conjunction would have been 7 BC and the census of Judea took place in 6 CE, 13 years later.

This is the same star that baby jesus had on his birthday.
Luke suggests that Jesus was 2 years old when the magi were guided by the Star of Bethlehem.

This star has not appeared in over 8000 years
Jesus was born 2000 years ago so that would not be the Star of Bethlehem.  The conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn happens every 20 years.

The star that baby jesus had on the day of his birthday Is happening december 21.
That's the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn- which happens every 20 years.

It has been rumored that jesus was born on december 25.  Just a 4 day difference.
Since that rumor didn't start until the 3rd century, the same time that Christians invented the feast of Christmas to supplant the pagan feast of Saturnalia which was celebrated on Dec 25, let's assume that the celebration is meant to be more a traditional continuity than an historic assertion.

The same star that was said to appear on december 25 on the day jesus is born. is happening december 21 2020.Meaning that chrismas might really be jesus birthday or it is 4 days off and jesus birthday is really december 21.
  • Not a star,
  • probably two years after Jesus was born, and
  • probably not


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The same star that was said to appear on december 25 on the day jesus is born.
So what and what is being the point of your point anyway because everyone they knows what day is christmas and that Jesus was born then.Just like you should going to the science forum and telling everyone what the sky is blue. Like what the.
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And Santa Claus, with bells on.
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Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars

 Astronomy and astrology played a massive part in the lives of the ancients. Jesus,  like many of the educated elite JEWS knew more about the sky (heavens) than they did blindness and leprosy, that's a fact.  They were ruled by the signs in the sky it was their calendar/time piece. And its main function was to "tell"  when a transition from one house (the ram) to another (the fish) was  due or about to occur.  I believe we are going through one of those transitions  right now.  The age of the fish has had it day and now there is a new house of (the water) due at any moment. 

A careful reading of the OT shows a transition from the bull to the ram in the time of Moses. It also shows the transition from the ram to the fish. 

Many Christians that  I have met seem to want  avoid all of the astronomical "signs"  & references there are throughout the scriptures, they write them off as nothing more than hokum, bollocks and voodoo.   And even with the sighting by the astronomers(magi) put aside, Jesus was himself forever banging on about "ages" and "signs" in the sky.  His put down of the priests using astronomical language  was a blinder, if the story is to be believed. Which I do. It is just a shame that there are far too many Christians that are far too indoctrinated (not to mention up their own arses) and drunk on miracles, sacrifice, sin and salvation, to look for themselves and see a completely  different story that surrounds the life and times of their god-man, his struggle and his goal.

AND NO, I am not religious in the slightest.

 



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It is 800 years, not 8,000.
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I know crazy stuff, there is tons of parralels of gods power and space
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More evidence that it was not a star [probably was either planetary conjunction, a comet, or a nova], and certainly more evidence with other events [the coincidental tax/census decree of Caesar Augustus, and the notation of shepherds watching their flocks in the field], that point to the birth of Christ being in the Spring, late March to mid-April.

1. The Augustinian tax decree, with associated census [In the earliest Greek N.T. texts, the word employed is ἀπογράφω [a-po-gra'-fo], or "taking inventory"] was in the spring, according to extant Egyptian papyri. The Egyptians were better, more exacting record keepers than just about anybody else at the time. The record indicate that the Roman tax/census was conducted at the time in the spring. 

2. Shepherds did not "watch their flocks" all year long in the night. They did it in the spring; lambing season. Thus, the traditional reference to Christ as "the Lamb of God"

3. Why do you think our tax season is... in the spring? Coincidence? The ancients by that era, at least, also used a calendar, and had accounting tables, and figured in terms of seasons [quarters], did year-end inventories, all that. Wait another season, and, voila, tax season.
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And Santa Claus, with bells on.
Your pointing out a good point their because thats what is best for the kids because you dont want to shoveling the god stuff down their throwts when their young and they will be real pied off if they just getting frank in cents and murr for christmas. So thats why we invent santa so its like training them to believe in the big man and when the get the x box and the mortal kombat they think its real neet.
You see you dont want to be telling the kids that god nocked a bun in the oven with a vergin and that jesus got to hands of nales at easter. No you easy them into it with santa and the easter bunny then when their old enough then you can shovel god down their throwts because they will be conditionered.
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It is 800 years, not 8,000.
Thats a good point what you pointed out because nothing was a round 8000 years ago.
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Sounds like a plan.