The Stand Mafia Day Phase 2

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I kinda want to lynch Elminster for using autistic as an insult. This is 2020 dude, not some 1980's grade school playground.
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@drafterman
A u t I s t I c 


Herpa Derpa 

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You're like a pizza cutter: all edge, no point.
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Anyway, we should pressure Elminster for a full claim at least.
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Elminster is probably just mad that I forced him to use Maf's free fake claim Lunatic always hands out.
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And no I'm not full claiming. 

You got my character claim and that's all your getting. If you want to continue to throw as town lynch away. 
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LOL

Drafter right now 


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I'm wrong. Drafter has to be town 


No mafia would tunnel this hard 
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Supa needs to be looked at, havnt played with him enough to know he plays as scum in forum 
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@ILikePie5
You said this was his "meta" I believe. 

Please explain 

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@Vader
I want you to coherently walk me through your reads this dp and how you arrived at them 
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@Elminster
Lemme get on my PC 

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@Elminster
I’m only doing it because I want to give my perspective on the situation, not because i want your validation 
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@Elminster
also if we want to talk about third mafia do we need to bring up last dp where you voted yourself...i also never town read you
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@Vader
I read through your posts and everything pie was saying was mostly accurate. 

Please take it line by line and actually put effort into it. 

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@Vader
Even so, VTL'ing Elm without reason wasn't smart until he explained it, which is still false. 
This literally makes no sense lol. There were only 1-2 votes on Elm. You can’t tell me that a lynch was about to take place?

Especially considering Elm had been talking at that point
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@Vader
I don't care if you want my validation. I want to have a read on you. And to do that I need to believe you read more than 3 posts and just typed shit without actually looking at the game 
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@Vader
Me voting myself objectively does less harm to town than how you play. 
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@Barney
What was your character claim?
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By how you play. I mean you actually don't read the dp

I tend to skim when I'm busy. I legit think you just reply to posts as you are tagged and don't bother to read the in between posts from other people.  

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@Speedrace
But otherwise I'd prefer to VTNL. We're pretty much guaranteed to have a cop, so I'd rather get that result than potentially going into LYLO
What makes you think scum couldn’t do that? It’s literally likely that we have a CC tomorrow if a cop does exist and at that point we have no room for error
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@Danielle
This is also why Supa's declaration that he wouldn't be posting today felt a bit off to me. 
Whenever he is scum he is usually talking from what I remember and that’s what ends up being his downfall like in Zelda Mafia. It’s the biggest advice I gave him: keep your mouth shut 
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@Elminster
You said this was his "meta" I believe. 

Please explain 
He does/says something that he wouldn’t normally do, which immediately identifies him as scum. His own pitfall becomes the things he says.

His outrage that you were being “lynched” with 1-2 votes on you is not something he’d say. In what realm is 1-2 votes lynching? This is literally against his behavior
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@ILikePie5
I think what stands out to me is the massive amount of contradictions he's posted and the vanilla claim on top of that 

The issue with supa is it's hard to read him because I'm fully convinced he doesn't read anything except what he's tagged in and tries to fill in the blanks blindly

He did this last game as town. If anything him being town confirmed made him even lazier. 

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It’s pretty obvious we should be lynching today.

6-3 we have 33% chance of hitting scum
4-3 we have 43% chance of hitting scum

Two lynches vs only one lynch is the best move. That way we can POE ourselves and with the help of scum.

We know night results will be conflicted with CCs and stuff - it’s only logical 
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@ILikePie5
Disagree fully with this for all the reasons I told drafter. 

Christ man, not you as well 

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@Elminster
Usually, I would be posting quite a bit more, but it seems as though there's a few tiffs being worked out in the posts here that I'd rather not get involved with. That being said, I'll at least provide my two cents on what's happened so far.

I still don't trust the Miller claim from Pie, despite it being a decent match for his character. From what I've been table to tell, quite a few characters in The Stand are not easily segregated into a single camp, so I have trouble buying that his character, in particular, got this role. That leaves me with a slight scum read on him.

I also have a slight scum read on Supa, largely for behavioral reasons. He's definitely more involved this round than I think I've ever seen him, and he seems to be tunneling. To that end, I also have a slight scum read on Draft, who has also been tunneling pretty hard. However, his is lesser because he just seems to have issues with Elm, which makes me think this is more personal and less of a scum tell.

Not much else to say because I don't think anyone else is giving much away. Danielle and MisterChris haven't posted enough to give me much to use. I guess I'm slight town reading Elm, largely because his behavior looks a lot like the previous game and he just seems eager to leave, which would be strange for scum anyway, though it's a weird behavioral tell so I'm largely null on him. I buy Speed's claim for reasons I've already addressed, which means he's the strongest town lean to me, though I can't say I've gotten any behavioral vibes from him. I haven't played with Ragnar before, so I don't know how to interpret his low key involvement. 
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@Elminster
I think what stands out to me is the massive amount of contradictions he's posted and the vanilla claim on top of that 
His aggression was different. “Why the fuck are we lynching.” That statement is pure aggression. Then he comes after me for asking if Drafter believes my claim, which doesn’t even involve him.

The issue with supa is it's hard to read him because I'm fully convinced he doesn't read anything except what he's tagged in and tries to fill in the blanks blindly

He did this last game as town. If anything him being town confirmed made him even lazier. 
Everytime he’s scum he’s caught when he tries to pull gambits or says something off. That’s what he literally did today.
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@ILikePie5
In context we get 2 lynches but the second part to that is the second lynch *has to be correct*

This is true even if we nl

The difference is there will be a lot more information out. Look at the roles that are dead and look at the flips. Mafia can't cc every role. More information betters the chance of accuracy on the lynch.