From my experience with Speed, he lies all the time when he has a role with a lot of utility. In one of my games he claimed Bomb when he was the Soldier. In other games he’s claimed roles contrary to his own to “gauge” reactions.
Paranoia Mafia - Day 1
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Supa - 2/6 - Speed, Danielle
Speed - 1/6 - Elminster
VTNL- 1/6 - Lunatic
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@Danielle
Yes
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@ILikePie5
Right. I said I don't buy Speed's vanilla claim but don't feel the need to press it for now unless we're voting him for death.
I kinda read you town behaviorally which is annoying cuz my paranoia wants to make me sus your role. Oh well.
VTL Speed
Vote for death
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@Danielle
Right. I said I don't buy Speed's vanilla claim but don't feel the need to press it for now unless we're voting him for death.
That’s the only point he’ll claim his real role unless he’s a in a gambling mood lol. But if we believe he’s hiding his true role, would he be more likely to be mafia or town is the 1 million dollar question.
Greyparrot always says Speed is always scum XD
Vote Count
Supa - 2/6 - Speed, Danielle
Speed - 2/6 - Elminster, That1user
VTNL- 1/6 - Lunatic
This really requires me to buy my town pile.
Which assumes those 2 things
1) mafia didn't not get fake claims
2) popular won't be mafia
I buy a cop being in the game just by the title of the game. Supa claiming it on pressure is one hell of a gambit or he actually is cop. Don't think he would risk cc. Similar with parrot.
So that leaves
Whiteflame
User
Danny
Speed
(?) Person I'm forgetting.
Speeds claim is just off. I also similarly believe there probably aren't vanilla roles other than mine.
So then I evaluate whether it's town sided or scum sided. With all the investigation roles and me buying they are town currently, I don't see why he would not be honest. He's probably scared to fake claim and get cc'ed.
I don't buy Speed's vanilla claim at all. The thing is I can't see him claiming vanilla as scum either. I fully expect him to come up with some kind of additional role explanation or justification when pressured at L1 so unvote and VTL Speed. I wanna analyze what he's done in the DP in the context of knowing his "real" role claim.
Strong gut town read on Elminster but that may be just because we have similar reads and a similar town pile. No clue how to read Croc, whiteflame or that1user but whiteflame will probably be an easier read than Croc as the game goes on and that1user is coming down pretty hard on Speed which will be interesting.
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@Greyparrot
Thoughts?
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@Danielle
Normally I would agree but fake claiming in a open setup is hard. Its why I memed so hard with th initial bs claim I made up. To see who would harp on it. Speed was the first to bring that case up so he's well aware that it's easy to get caught when there is a list
VTL Speed
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@Danielle
Sec talking to MOD ..might have to disclose some stuff
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@Vader
You guys are reading way too much into this lol, that's exactly what Drafter wanted you to doWhy Pie over someone who is essentially confirmed scum?There's also a plethora of Speed jumping to large conclusions about the game within DP1, leading me to believe he has more insight than townies might know. He also seems to be accusatory, hypocritcal (calling me out for not overreading Lunatic when he did so himself and then proceeded to say the same thing)
Where did I jump to large conclusions? And Mikal literally claimed a role it's impossible to have, I'm just supposed to ignore that? And pointing out that we're being over paranoid is just an observation. And I never called you out for overreading Lunatic, you literally underread him lol
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@That1User
Drafter told me that the DP would end if a filibuster or gallis reached 6/6 votes. So Pie can't be eitherWhere did he tell you this?
In my pm, and if you doubt it you are free to ask him yourself
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@Speedrace
I said not overreading him if you read the post. Now your nit-picking information to try to make yourself sound better
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@Danielle
@Elminster
I'm legitimately vanilla and I think I'm only vanilla because drafter thought I was a new player and gave me an easy role. I don't buy speed as vanilla
False, Drafter literally gave CROC of all people cop before, and I know him well enough to know that roles are almost definitely randomized. I am a vanilla
Speeds claim is just off. I also similarly believe there probably aren't vanilla roles other than mine.
Why?? Drafter made the setup before anyone signed up, so you're saying he picked out one vanilla just so he could give it to the least inexperienced player? That makes no sense
So then I evaluate whether it's town sided or scum sided. With all the investigation roles and me buying they are town currently, I don't see why he would not be honest. He's probably scared to fake claim and get cc'ed.
I literally suggested mass claiming, why would I do that unless 1. I was mafia with a fake claim lined up, or 2. I'm town
The thing is I can't see him claiming vanilla as scum either.
DING DING DING we have a winner. If I recall I don't think I've ever fake claimed vanilla before as mafia (maybe once but I don't think so)
Why would I suggest mass claiming as mafia and then claim vanilla of all things lol
And if the message wasn't clear before, I AM A VANILLA. Nothing else, literally just vanilla. You can let mafia WIFOM that all they want but I am a vanilla point blank, and yes I fake claim as town but I don't think I've ever fake claimed vanilla as town
Also I literally just remembered the reason why I suggested mass claiming, because I was thinking of the possibility that there are no mafia at all
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@Vader
I said not overreading him if you read the post. Now your nit-picking information to try to make yourself sound better
Why would I nit-pick something that you would then point out as false right after lol
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@drafterman
@Speedrace
VTL Speed
I think that’s L-1
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@Greyparrot
@Vader
Also Supa claiming cop is good because mafia has to choose between them (unless they have an RB but let's just hope they don't). BOTH of you should be on Lunatic (obviously GP should but Supa as well if GP dies)
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@ILikePie5
lol why did you @ me
I'm at L-1 and all I have to say is I am indeed a vanilla
Unvote
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@Speedrace
The title of this game is paranoia which implies at least some degree of role madness. So I sincerely think a majority of the players in this game will have roles that make you question results or roles that will fuck with results to fulfill the game title. Vanilla just seems off especially since I know I am one. 2 in a game is a stretch for me
We will agree to disagree on drafter randomizing. You will never convince me a player that he thought was brand new guy vanilla, and a player he just fought with vigorously and blocked got a role where he can't talk and can kill himself is randomized. Drafter could mod confirm he randomized and I still wouldn't buy it.
Suggesting a mass claim can be good for a lot of reasons. There is a list of roles. If more people claim before you it opens up the ability to fake claim easily but with me popcorning you as the second person, it's quite likely you are scared to take a shot with a role.
As for me. I said why I made up a claim.
1) I knew there was a role list before. I said that as I claimed.
2) I did that to see who would jump on the wagon the fastest
Why would I acknowledge there is a list and claim a role off it lol. I wanted to see who would push me and the motivation behind it.
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@ILikePie5
Speed l-1 ... Hmm.... Behaviorally feeling town now
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@Lunatic
What's your town pile
Just type your list and nothing else
Just type your list and nothing else
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@Lunatic
@Elminster
The title of this game is paranoia which implies at least some degree of role madness. So I sincerely think a majority of the players in this game will have roles that make you question results or roles that will fuck with results to fulfill the game title. Vanilla just seems off especially since I know I am one. 2 in a game is a stretch for me
You can have role madness with 2 vanillas lol, Bullish's game was like that. And also look, you're being PARANOID about 2 vanillas being in the game, seems like the goal was accomplished
We will agree to disagree on drafter randomizing. You will never convince me a player that he thought was brand new guy vanilla, and a player he just fought with vigorously and blocked got a role where he can't talk and can kill himself is randomized. Drafter could mod confirm he randomized and I still wouldn't buy it.
Then that's literally just you being stubborn lol. Also Drafter fought WITH ME, NOT WITH LUNA. I dunno how many times I have to say this but he was never mad at Luna, only me. Luna can confirm this too
Suggesting a mass claim can be good for a lot of reasons. There is a list of roles. If more people claim before you it opens up the ability to fake claim easily but with me popcorning you as the second person, it's quite likely you are scared to take a shot with a role.
So I suggested mass claiming and didn't have a role ready to claim? That's both an insult and hilarious
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@Elminster
Drafter probably didnt insert personal grudges with role selection. Lunatic/ drafter argued much worse past tense. And recent drama is affirmative, beef w speed mostly. Resolved endgame tho.
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@Speedrace
A) drafter literally has luna blocked. What are you even on about lol
B) 2 vanilla's are not used in a game to induce paranoia that is quite literally a DD level take
C) you can suggest a mass claim and let's say someone claims cop, then watcher and you know parrot is a mason. It opens up the possibility of claiming doc. The more poe you have on roles in the game the easier it is to make a fake claim. Also easier for nk targets
B) 2 vanilla's are not used in a game to induce paranoia that is quite literally a DD level take
C) you can suggest a mass claim and let's say someone claims cop, then watcher and you know parrot is a mason. It opens up the possibility of claiming doc. The more poe you have on roles in the game the easier it is to make a fake claim. Also easier for nk targets
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@Lunatic
Will forever disagree but to each their own lol.