did he manually write them down or is it a official thing
Paranoia Mafia - Day 1
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@Crocodile
Pretty sure that those words are just ones Lunatic has already used and not been modkilled for using. It's trial and error. Drafterman has a word in mind that will get Lunatic modkilled if he uses it, so that may be written down somewhere.
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@whiteflame
I was getting dinner, I'm vanilla
Popcorn whiteflame
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@Speedrace
@Speed - There is no utility of a mass claim in forum games cuz mafia could easily delay claiming. I feel like you're smart enough to know that, and therefore encouraging a mass claim may be trying to buy yourself town cred (i.e. "look how willing I am to claim"). I'm a little sus of it because you've brought it up multiple times now.
I sus Supa's comment about it being a "waste of time" to try to decode Luna's role which I disagree with. Ya'll know I hate wasting time, but the game had literally just started when he said that, so it seemed like one of those off remarks Supa makes as scum sometimes (i.e. his off remarks last game regarding Ayyantu).
Call me paranoid (pun intended) but Pie being able to prove his role means nothing to me in a game that I suspect has roles that are kind of bastardish. In fact in most Mafia games where you have roles that can blatantly prove their role like that, unless they're the Innocent Child then they're usually mafia or third party.
And speaking of paranoid, I'm the PGO which I'm only claiming cuz I have to before the DP ends, and who knows what will happen as I plan on signing off soon for the night.
I buy Elminster's lean town pile for now, and I'm town, but that still leaves a pretty big pool for potential scum.
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@Danielle
Call me paranoid (pun intended) but Pie being able to prove his role means nothing to me in a game that I suspect has roles that are kind of bastardish
All roles are taken from drafter's list and no other role would allow Pie to do that
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@Danielle
@Speed - There is no utility of a mass claim in forum games cuz mafia could easily delay claiming. I feel like you're smart enough to know that, and therefore encouraging a mass claim may be trying to buy yourself town cred (i.e. "look how willing I am to claim"). I'm a little sus of it because you've brought it up multiple times now.
lol you underestimate me as mafia. Pretty sure I only suggested it once, and there is utility in it by POEing based on roles
I'm of a similar mind to Danielle. Not sure why we're mass claiming at this stage. It's DP1, and yet everyone's being pushed to claim? All that's doing is giving mafia easy cover.
As for my reads, I'm still thinking Elm and Grey are town, adding Lunatic to that list. I give Pie greater odds of being town at this stage, but I'm not certain. Speed claiming vanilla doesn't give him any cover and his efforts to further the mass claim make me suspicious of him. Don't have a solid read on anyone else.
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@Speedrace
I will look at the list of potential roles tomorrow cuz I'm about to sign off for the night, but there are roles where you don't die from being lynched - i.e. the role we had in the last two Mafia games where if you're lynched then you convert to the mafia... in fact Pie WAS that role in my last game. Luna was that role in the game before. In fact I'm pretty confident that Pie not dying from being lynched doesn't mean anything. I understand the Popular Townie role exists and he may very well be it. There's nothing we can do about it now. Like I said you can call me paranoid (no pun intended this time), but I suspect there are going to be twists and turns in this game. It just doesn't prove anything to me that we confirmed his role is all. (Elminster knows what I'm talking about -- he goes by behavioral reads over everythang too.)
Danielle had good analysis for Pie.
Relating from Title, drafter communication: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5213-paranoia-mafia?page=1&post_number=1
2nd sentence looking important.
3 Ice cream, 2 not relating game title: Elminster, speedrace
Also popular not relating game title, Pie.
Thoughts?
unvote, vtl whiteflame btw
Vote Count
ILikePie5 - 2/6 - Danielle, That1User
Supa - 3/6 - ILikePie, Elminster, Speed
whiteflame - 1/6 - Lunatic
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@Lunatic
2nd sentence looking important.3 Ice cream, 2 not relating game title: Elminster, speedraceAlso popular not relating game title, Pie.Thoughts?
This game is themeless in the sense that it is not based on any third-party universe or material. There are no "characters", just rules.
This game does have a theme in a sense that the roles were chosen for a specific purpose: to induce paranoia.
The game is designed for 9-10 players.
That’s what Drafter said. I think you mean 3rd sentence?
As for my role not being part of the theme, I think Danielle’s reaction kinda says it all. But idk if all roles were selected in mind for the theme. Your role and my role fuels the paranoia. But the vanillas don’t
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@Lunatic
Agreed in general. Don't suspect there are any Vanilla players in this game, and Popular is at least a little strange. That being said, I think either Elm or Speed (the former more likely than the latter) are trying to make themselves look innocuous to Mafia. I can't explain what Pie's doing, but there are more possibilities than lynchproof and popular at play. Could be dealing with filibuster or a gallis, both of which would not be lynched with the votes we put on Pie. I could see the latter two being more paranoia inducing, and he would certainly want to disguise both.
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@Lunatic
Thoughts?
This game does have a theme in a sense that the roles were chosen for a specific purpose: to induce paranoia.
Claimed roles so far: Mason, Vanilla / modified Vanilla, PGO, Popular. I briefly skimmed the list of potential roles just now and noticed there is a "Popular" role but it is not a Popular Townie role. I think that's intentional cuz I've never seen it not called a Popular Townie before, have you? Anyway I'ma think about it tomorrow. I kinda wanted to see Pie's dialog with Supa play out where he asked Supa if he scum read you (Lunatic). I got a bad feeling about Supa's "this is a waste of time" post just cuz it felt forced, and if Pie got the same feeling then that might have given him some town cred.
I'm off for the night but I will be on early in the AM.
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@ILikePie5
Your role and my role fuels the paranoia. But the vanillas don’t
Your role is the opposite of fueling paranoia: you can "CONFIRM" your role, which is exactly why I'm paranoid about it (lol I realize that sounds almost contradictory but you know what I mean). Basically I'm convinced that the roles in this game are fuckery roles, so the fact that you have a role you can so easily verify makes me suspicious. I don't believe that the vanillas are really vanilla. We have 2 claimed vanillas (unless I misread: Lunatic and Speed). Luna is a modified vanilla who can die if he says something wrong and Speed is probs not telling the whole truth about his role, whatever it is.
Anyway I really am signing off now. Goodnight all.
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@whiteflame
I can't explain what Pie's doing, but there are more possibilities than lynchproof and popular at play. Could be dealing with filibuster or a gallis, both of which would not be lynched with the votes we put on Pie. I could see the latter two being more paranoia inducing, and he would certainly want to disguise both.
Filibuster Mafia would be insane. I could be a Gallis but to solve that we can just have one person on me before we lynch somebody.
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@Danielle
Your role is the opposite of fueling paranoia: you can "CONFIRM" your role, which is exactly why I'm paranoid about it (lol I realize that sounds almost contradictory but you know what I mean). Basically I'm convinced that the roles in this game are fuckery roles, so the fact that you have a role you can so easily verify makes me suspicious.
I think what you’re trying to say is that your paranoia comes inherently from the mafia game as a whole rather than the thematically induced paranoia
I don't believe that the vanillas are really vanilla. We have 2 claimed vanillas (unless I misread: Lunatic and Speed). Luna is a modified vanilla who can die if he says something wrong and Speed is probs not telling the whole truth about his role, whatever it is.
Luna is modified vanilla. Speed claimed vanilla. Mikal/Minister claimed vanilla. Grey claimed Mason as well, which also doesn’t seem like a paranoia inducing role.
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@ILikePie5
Filibuster Mafia would be insane. I could be a Gallis but to solve that we can just have one person on me before we lynch somebody.
Yep, it would, but this is a Paranoia game, and I'm not dismissing options at the moment. That being said, I'm not calling you mafia. If anything, I'm leaning town with you. I'm just saying that we don't have a clear picture of your role yet.
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@whiteflame
Yep, it would, but this is a Paranoia game, and I'm not dismissing options at the moment. That being said, I'm not calling you mafia. If anything, I'm leaning town with you. I'm just saying that we don't have a clear picture of your role yet.
Ya for sure. I think for this game we’re going to have to rely significantly more on behavior than roles themselves. Maybe also balance. But Drafter is notorious for hating balance analysis so that could also be a dead end.
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@Danielle
@286
Good analysis, seems important.
Intent of Massclaim acceptable?
VTNL?
Protective roles choose between: Danielle, Greyparrot NP1
unvote, vtnl
Vote Count
ILikePie5 - 2/6 - Danielle, That1User
Supa - 3/6 - ILikePie, Elminster, Speed
VTNL- 1/6 - Lunatic
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@Lunatic
VTNL
Normally I would say no but since there’s no theme I’d be fine with it.
Protective roles choose between: Danielle, Greyparrot NP1
Definitely not Danielle. She’s PGO. I’d be inclined to policy lynch her, but the role fuels paranoia so I’m leaning town on her
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@ILikePie5
PGO, duh, nevermind lol.
Innocents from gut:
Pie, grey, danielle, elmin
POE:
Croc, whiteflame, speed, supa, that1user
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@Danielle
I will look at the list of potential roles tomorrow cuz I'm about to sign off for the night, but there are roles where you don't die from being lynched - i.e. the role we had in the last two Mafia games where if you're lynched then you convert to the mafia... in fact Pie WAS that role in my last game. Luna was that role in the game before. In fact I'm pretty confident that Pie not dying from being lynched doesn't mean anything. I understand the Popular Townie role exists and he may very well be it. There's nothing we can do about it now. Like I said you can call me paranoid (no pun intended this time), but I suspect there are going to be twists and turns in this game. It just doesn't prove anything to me that we confirmed his role is all. (Elminster knows what I'm talking about -- he goes by behavioral reads over everythang too.)
All of the roles you mentioned would end the dayphase
You guys are reading way too much into this lol, that's exactly what Drafter wanted you to do
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@whiteflame
Why don't you think there are any vanillas?