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The place you go to be trained like man-robots so you don't get killed by other people trained like man-robots from other places.

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hahaha funny lol let's mock the people that risk their lives to maintain national security so I can sit comfortably on the internet and make fun of them lololol
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Yeah I agree with MisterChris, even though there is genuine truth in what you're saying the fault and mockery should be towards the aggressive and corrupt politicians, not the infantry dying on their behalf.
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@MisterChris
I am not criticising them. I am criticising the system 
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its much more complicated than that-it represents national and ethnic honor with a little bit of religious

for example-your example in the meme is pakistan-an islamic theocracy, fighting in the military is like a religious and ethnic duty VS India

of course its just  a meme but still
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Its horrific how inept the VA is, our veterans are suffering and now people hate this country and burn it to the ground disrespecting all these veterans as well as the social values of their time reduced to mindless consumerism. How would they feeL?, I feel truly sorry for them for what they see after fighting for this country.
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I am criticizing the system, not the soldiers. Sending people to the frontline is extremely inhumane.
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@Intelligence_06
the system is surrounded by the duty-look at any US army ad and it is about serving and duty


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The place you go to be trained like man-robots so you don't get killed by other people trained like man-robots from other places.
Eh, it's not 'wrong.
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Olympic stadium: the place for the fit to go torture themselves for the virtual benefits of their political constructs.

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Or to be the very best, like no one ever was. . .

I'd suppose even ideal countries tend to need militaries,
So long as inside and outside threats exist,

Maybe historical exceptions,
. . . 
Hm, do you count 'warriors the same as 'soldiers?
Standing armies were not always a thing.
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@Lemming
Soldiers are the pawns of the system.
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Well yes, no, always, sometimes.

People have an idea of community, tribe, their people,
Desire to defend it,
Or to take from others, raid, I suppose,
Motivations vary.

But if one's community is under attack,
One's water, family, land, livelihood, friends, self,
By a large external force,
Well, a choice available, to mass together, clump together,
With one's similar life forms,
Risk life and limb,

Though again, I think 'soldiers might be a bit different than 'warriors.
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@Lemming
Though again, I think soldiers might be a bit different than warriors.

Well, perhaps a warrior is an experienced soldier that enjoys the job.

Whereas most soldiers would rather be at home doing something else.

Nonetheless all are just pawns in the human social game.

Occasionally one or two might ascend the social ranks

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Ah, but I mean a member of the Minutemen - Wikipedia, might see themself as having chosen their own movement, position on the board.
Or a soldier who enlists for a specific war,

A soldier I suppose, 'chooses their vocation,
Or in a draft did not run away,

Not always easy to run away though,
And it's true once in, one is voluntold, and ordered,
Sent to sudden wars, that if they'd known were to occur, they'd not have enlisted.

. . .

Doesn't/Didn't feel much of a self made choice though,
When one marches in the first World War, against a machine gun, in accordance with orders,
Across minefields.

Eh true enough, much autonomy is given away, often, usually, by a soldier.
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"ahaha funny lol let's mock the people that risk their lives to maintain national security so I can sit comfortably on the internet and make fun of them lololo"

I personally never understood people who risk their lives for something. I have not cared much about them. I understand that they have desire for destruction. They were probably unplanned pregnancies.

Maybe its really the vaccines that make them that way. Thats why US has so many vaccines. Or is it circumcision... Either way, I dont see how your comment made any sense.

You are basically saying that I should cry for them. That would imply I care for them, when I dont. So I dont see myself crying for them. They chose their path, and I chose to mock them. Is this too complicated for you to understand?
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In the United States we don't train people to not be killed. We train them to kill. 
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It's not really that simple.

As 53000 Vietnam combatants would tell you if they could.
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The  commander of any military that doesn't fight to win and places rules of engagement on his soldiers dooms them to death.
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@Intelligence_06
Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Intelligence_06?  The military has a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You joke about man-robots, and you mock the military. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know -- that man-robot training, while tragic, saves lives; and thier existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.
 
You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want themon that wall -- you need themon that wall. They use words like "honor," "code," "loyalty." They use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain them to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that they provide and then questions the manner in which they provide it.

I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think about the military!


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Total War,
Can backfire a bit though,
Rules keep people humane, in an inhumane activity.

Dampen down cycles of hate, retaliation,
PTSD, trauma and changes within soldiers, who experience.

It's better to not slaughter civilians, that one's own are not slaughtered,
Better to not collect trophies of skulls, that other's humanity is not forgotten,
Better to not kill POWs of the enemy, that one's own soldiers taken prisoner, are not killed,
Better to encourage a Christmas Truce, if only the Leaders would step back from insanity, and declare peace.
. . .

Though true,
There are situations, wars, battles, in which one's back is to the wall,
And life, victory for one's nation, is prioritized.

Or the rules of engagement aren't being followed by the enemy,
And seem a needless risk of petty benefit in honor,
Not benefit above one's soldiers' lives.

Heh, I like that movie, too.
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@Lemming
Whatever you say. You can have mercy in war, I wouldn't. They will have zero mercy for you. I would make them die for their country, not me or mine. You don't win wars by dying. Don't start wars or engage in war  if you cant stomach death and everything that goes with actually winning a war.

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@sadolite
Generally speaking.

If an enemy soldier surrenders,
Cannot we afford this?

If the enemy is pretending to surrender,
But repeatedly uses suicide attacks,
I can understand not accepting surrenders if no method can be found to be certain of their sincerity.

. . .

If we capture an enemy city,
Cannot we afford the citizens safety from our own troops?

Though it becomes a difficulty, if soldiers are citizens, or hide among them.

I am unwilling to condone killing everyone in the city.

. . .

Is the rape of the innocent, not a horror?

The populace's fear encouraging surrender,
Their blood and culture weakened,
Are not reasons enough, to allow such an act, by any soldier of honor matching my own.

. . .

Is torture acceptable?

Regardless of any truth it extracts or fear it imbues,
Laws of war I admire, do not allow such behavior.
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Anything that is required to win a war with unconditional surrender is acceptable to me. I would not for one second tie the hands of any soldier fighting in a war. Its easy to arm chair quarter back a war sitting in a righteous cozy chair at home far away and unengaged.
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@sadolite
Understandable,
That people would see some extreme actions in war, as necessary,
Though I still disagree with 'no mercy.

If people can be too far away from a situation,
I'd argue they can be too 'close to a situation as well,
That it'd be better to take a balanced approach, than go all in, for one or the other.

I'd argue,
It's questionable whether some actions 'are necessary or likely for victory,
Questionable whether they are the morally right action,
Questionable whether victory or actions, may not prove Pyrrhic.
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Everything on earth is questionable, shoot first and ask questions later, especially in war.

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@sadolite
I would say it's a lot easier to say "anything that's required" from cozy in a chair. I doubt any soldier fighting in a war would want to bring back the horrible gases of WWI or the execution and torture of civilians and soldiers we saw in Nanking. The generals might, cozy in their armchair, knowing they'll never see gas or atrocity, so not being afraid of it.