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#781

Discipulus_Didicit

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Discipulus_Didicit

02.18.2019 07:20PM

I have not read this entire thread so sorry if this has already been brought up, but...

Is the only way to report a person in detail (with a short explanation of why you are reporting them) to contact a mod directly? I have just recently discovered that flagging a post offers no options for explaining why one flags the post, and there is no button that I can see to report a user for anything, only a users posts. There may be cases, however, where all of a person's posts looked at individually are perfectly fine but looked at as a whole indicate a pattern of harassment or stalking. The proper way to report this is unclear with the current format.

#782

RationalMadman

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RationalMadman

02.18.2019 07:26PM

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@Discipulus_Didicit

Yes and furthermore there's some strange limit (they say 10 but it alters throughout) per 24 hour period of the amount of flags you can do (not per user, at all).

#783

RationalMadman

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RationalMadman

02.18.2019 07:27PM

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@Discipulus_Didicit

Between you, me and everyone PMing Virt gets shit done. PMing Bsh1 gets nothing done for many days and then a universal RO between you and the other at best.

#784

RationalMadman

Debates: 574

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RationalMadman

02.18.2019 07:28PM

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@Discipulus_Didicit

But since Virt is ill, PMing bsh1 is superior for the time being.

#785

Discipulus_Didicit

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Discipulus_Didicit

02.18.2019 07:34PM

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@RationalMadman

Very well, this answers my question sufficiently. Thanks.

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#786

DebateArt.com

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DebateArt.com

02.18.2019 08:05PM

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@RationalMadman

Thanks for the help lol

15 days later

#787

Barney

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Barney

03.06.2019 05:49AM

A few more very minor suggestions:

Separate this into two threads. One for technical aspects, another for societal (rules and such).
On the COC, under Voting Policies conduct, there's a typo. The word "comparatively" should be replaced with "comparative"
Regarding conduct: I believe the comparative analysis is rarely needed (when one person is polite, and the other a raving lunatic, it does not feel relevant to mention how nice one was), and that the comment section activity should count (at least in extreme cases, such as blatant voter harassment; or trying to extend the debate with personal insults after it's ended).

What the conduct policy currently says:

To sufficiently ground awarding conduct points, the voter must provide specific references to the instances of poor conduct in their vote. There are two additional necessary criteria for conduct points to be sufficiently grounded. One debater must have been excessively rude, profane, or unfair, or broke the debate rules, or forfeited one or more rounds in the debate without reasonable and given cause. There must be some comparatively analysis between both debaters’ conduct. The second pertains specifically to awarding conduct solely for forfeited rounds. If this is the case, then the voter must also explain arguments, unless the debate is forfeited by half or more of its rounds. Then and only then would a vote that awards only conduct points be acceptable.

Here's what I would have it say (I do not expect this to be implemented, but it might help a future revision):

To award conduct, one debater must have committed violations to sportsmanship which outright distracted the voter from debate arguments; to which the voter needs to reference at least the worst offense (if both had severe infractions, a comparative analysis is required to show why one was a magnitude worse). Examples of inexcusable conduct:
Plagiarism
Excessive profanity
Repeated or grotesque Ad Hominem attacks
Trying to use the comment section to cheat
Forfeited rounds (if less than half, arguments must also be weighted)

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#788

DebateArt.com

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DebateArt.com

03.06.2019 05:22PM

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@Barney

Hi!

Thank you very much for the response. I will fix the typo and definitely implement a better mechanism for the feedback. Regarding the rest, I'll probably redirect you to @bsh1.

#789

Ramshutu

Debates: 43

Posts: 2,768

Ramshutu

03.06.2019 05:39PM

Is there any chance I can beg again for a voter Leaderboard :)

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#790

DebateArt.com

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DebateArt.com

03.06.2019 08:03PM

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@Ramshutu

Hi, I am rewriting the most parts of the website at the moment because they are quite messy and it would be hard to go on without creating even bigger mess. After that's done, I will implement bunch of new things, including the votes leaderboard :)

#791

bsh1

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Posts: 2,589

bsh1

03.07.2019 02:07AM

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@Barney

The comparative analysis is indispensable, because unless the voter is able to explain why one person's conduct was worth than the other, the voter has no business awarding one a point for conduct. If the voter believes one debater was rude and the other was polite, the voter needs to state as much and then explain why. It may seem to be belaboring the obvious to the voter, who clearly has an opinion about the debaters' politeness, but it is not the moderator's job to determine if the voter was right about awarding points (thus, it is not the moderator's job to actually decide if there was an obvious conduct difference). Therefore, the only way for moderators to ensure the voter is doing the necessary mental legwork and not just randomly assigning points is to compel the voter to explain, in comparative terms, the points they award. I also don't think poor conduct needs to distract the voter to warrant punishment.

#792

Discipulus_Didicit

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Discipulus_Didicit

03.07.2019 08:19PM

Something we don't have from DDO that I never thought about is the polls. I never thought about it because I never really used the DDO polls very often but now that I just came up with the idea of a poll I would like to make the absence is quite conspicuous. Any chance of us getting some poll functionality in DART?

#793

David

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Posts: 1,218

David

03.07.2019 08:20PM

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@Discipulus_Didicit

No for the love of all that is good and holy. No.

#794

Discipulus_Didicit

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Discipulus_Didicit

03.07.2019 08:40PM

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@David

Come on TB, I know you want to want it =)

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#795

DebateArt.com

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DebateArt.com

03.07.2019 09:43PM

No for the love of all that is good and holy. No.

Lol

#796

Vader

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Posts: 14,984

Vader

03.09.2019 06:23PM

What is your plans for the next update?

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#797

DebateArt.com

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DebateArt.com

03.09.2019 07:11PM

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@Vader

I've been rewriting most of the modules of the website to make them much easier to extend. But apart from that, I've also added some minor changes, which will be deployed alongside the new rewritten version, some of them are:

1) Much more advanced permissions system for the admins to control the access to the website's features.

2) Full screen messaging window, it won't have the office sidebar on the left anymore.

3) Much better error messages, like if you try to access a wrong URL and whatnot.

Also I will probably try to add the system that would allow the mods to delete votes for the finished debates and some other minor details.

But after this rewritten version is deployed, we'll have new features every one or two weeks, as before.

#798

Vader

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Vader

03.09.2019 07:45PM

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@DebateArt.com

Nice

#799

Barney

Debates: 53

Posts: 3,463

Barney

03.12.2019 05:26PM

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@bsh1

comparative analysis is indispensable

I disagree given that the comparative behavior is usually strongly implied by the lack of noted violations (note: everyone already does this with forfeits). To give an example from Virtuoso, there seems no need to list times the non-penalized person abstained from saying "Oh come off it you soddy pillock" to the other, or on one of your debates all the times you did not violate the agreed upon debate rules and lie.

I also don't think poor conduct needs to distract the voter to warrant punishment.

My suggestion for a minimum standard of distracting, is mainly due to clarity. I believe excessive is too open to interpretation, and risks conduct penalties for not being nice enough when refuting arguments. Diverting someone's attention to non-issues like what a #$%^ someone is, while also wasting the time of all readers, pulls us out of the flow of the arguments (akin to movie breaking the suspension of disbelief). Refuting an argument, even if you could have been more civil to spare their feelings, is a natural part of the debate.

Granted, what distracts one person is different from one distracts another. But I am confident any good current conduct violation vote, had the attention of the voter pulled away from arguments (pretty much guaranteed once they're quoting something other than arguments they found annoying).

#800

Barney

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Posts: 3,463

Barney

03.15.2019 12:08PM

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@DebateArt.com

Please change the auto generated words displayed in debates above the avatars. Currently it reads Instigator vs Contender, with the color switched out based on the instigator's preference. Pro vs Con (or Con Vs Pro, based on which role the instigator selected) would be far superior.

The current standard risks confusing contenders (and voters for that matter), unless a debate description clearly informs the expectations.

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#801

DebateArt.com

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DebateArt.com

03.15.2019 04:24PM

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@Barney

Very good point, will change in next release, luckily it's a matter of 30 seconds :)

#802

RationalMadman

Debates: 574

Posts: 19,931

RationalMadman

03.19.2019 11:04PM

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@DebateArt.com

There's a cache-failure to update that has frozen the front page of debates but if you change the front page to 'page 1' by clicking the '1' it temporarily fixes it.

#803

RationalMadman

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Posts: 19,931

RationalMadman

03.19.2019 11:41PM

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@DebateArt.com

This applies to other areas of the site too, forcing me to refresh the page over and over again (every new page need to refresh) or it keeps reverting to some kind of time-freeze version of the site.

#804

Alec

Debates: 42

Posts: 2,472

Alec

03.20.2019 12:37AM

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@DebateArt.com

I noticed that one of my comments doesn't go in in a forum. I think this is a bug in the site's programming. I think my problem is similar to RM's problem with the site.

#805

Outplayz

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Posts: 2,193

Outplayz

03.20.2019 12:41AM

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@Alec

I just posted and it didn't show either. Etrnl has a couple multi-posts... so i am suspecting it will eventually show up... but i'm just guessing. There is a posting problem tho.

#806

David

Debates: 92

Posts: 1,218

David

03.20.2019 02:16AM

I'm also having problems of stuff not updating and super important DM's are apparently not going through. I texted Mike so I will see what he can do about it

#807

Discipulus_Didicit

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Posts: 5,758

Discipulus_Didicit

03.20.2019 02:23AM

My posts are showing up fine but I am unable to edit them. Instead of editing I am just deleting the old posts and making entirely new posts. What could possibly go wrong?

#808

David

Debates: 92

Posts: 1,218