Arrowverse Mafia - DP2

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Skittlez is still a possibility but I doubt that he is scum.
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 maybe one of the lovers. 
both LOVERS say that Speed told them they are both TOWN.  Therefore it can't be half and half.  It's not a bad fake claim for SCUM but I can't see Supa and Intel locking themselves together so early as scum.  Therefore very likely TOWN.  IF we believe everybody's claim so far, then its just you and SA holding out on ROLES even after the COP has outed and desperately needs to know who to COP tonight.  I just can't believe you have a ROLE that's more important to TOWN than COP's need to know who to COP tonight.
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oromagi - MisterChris, SirAnonymous (2/5)
SirAnonymous - oromagi (1/5)
skittlez09 - SupaDudz (1/5)

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both LOVERS say that Speed told them they are both TOWN.  Therefore it can't be half and half.  It's not a bad fake claim for SCUM but I can't see Supa and Intel locking themselves together so early as scum.  Therefore very likely TOWN. 

I agree with most of this, I have said all of this myself. I am going based on POE. It's either sir, skitllez or one of the lovers.

IF we believe everybody's claim so far, then its just you and SA holding out on ROLES even after the COP has outed and desperately needs to know who to COP tonight.  I just can't believe you have a ROLE that's more important to TOWN than COP's need to know who to COP tonight.
If the majority of town asks for my claim I am willing to do so. I think there is some utility in keeping it hidden however. 
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I vote for seeing Lunatic & SA's roles
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I think your scum so I don't have much value in your vote, but if enough people want me to I will.
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I mostly want to see Sir's role. I've got Lunatic in my town pile along with the lovers. 
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If the majority of town asks for my claim I am willing to do so.
I started a mini-trend.

Is there gonna be LIVE mafia tonight?
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Is there gonna be LIVE mafia tonight?
I have tickets to see TJ Miller tonight, so unfortunately I won't be there. I am not sure if the group will be getting together for it or not
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Is there gonna be LIVE mafia tonight?

Looks like they are skipping it this week due to ppl being out
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Why not. It's obvious from my character that I'm a power role, so there's no point in hiding it. I'm the doctor. My justification is that Arrow sacrificed himself to save Earth.
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Thanks. So that just leaves Oromagi once again. Ragnar does this claim sound legit?
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Doctor and a bulletproof? Again, might make up for the lovers but thats a lot of protection, also consindering we had a watcher, either one of them is lying, or mafia are very strong to compensate. Hmmm...
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X.. Ragnar                    The Thinker                    WATCHER       #113
TOWN                         Claim                                        Role          DP1
3. oromagi                 Supergirl                                   BULLETPROOF    #269
7. MisterChris             Joe West                                    COP .                #257 #342

2. Ragnar2                  Plastique                                  BOMB (cc'd but coppd town)     #165
1. skittlez09               Savitar                                        MILLER   [1#7] 
4. SupaDudz             Martin Stein [1#117]             LOVER     #132
5. Intelligence_06   Ronnie Raymond [1#117]   LOVER
6. Lunatic                   Batwoman                                                   #477
8. SirAnonymous     Arrow                                      DOCTOR     #157
SCUM

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I was expecting DOCTOR but I thought that what Ragnar was covering up. 
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vtl oromagi. I think we have sufficient info today. Two protection roles is iffy.
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X.. Ragnar                    The Thinker                    WATCHER       #113
TOWN                         Claim                                        Role          DP1
3. oromagi                 Supergirl                                   BULLETPROOF    #269
7. MisterChris             Joe West                                    COP .                #257 #342
8. SirAnonymous     Arrow                                      DOCTOR     #157
1. skittlez09               Savitar                                        MILLER   [1#7] 
4. SupaDudz             Martin Stein [1#117]             LOVER     #132
5. Intelligence_06   Ronnie Raymond [1#117]   LOVER
2. Ragnar2                  Plastique                                  BOMB (cop'd inno)     #165
6. Lunatic                   Batwoman                                                   #477
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oromagi - MisterChris, SirAnonymous, Lunatic (3/5)
SirAnonymous - oromagi (1/5)
skittlez09 - SupaDudz (1/5)

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UNVOTE

VTL Lunatic
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Not caught up on everything, but why did you out yourself? I doubt I was in danger of being lynched with the amount of town cred I had. If people were pushing too hard to lynch me, would be something to let them take pretty far to incriminate themselves (not that forming a wagon guarantees scum, but they have certainly that the death would benefit them on their side).

Not sure who it was, but skimming over things earlier, someone said something about scum choosing to kill a watcher over the lovers... Two things on this: 1. They had no way to know my role when they selected me as the NK. 2. They obviously just saw greater benefit to killing the lovers later, and prioritizing killing power roles in the short term.
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Not caught up on everything, but why did you out yourself? I doubt I was in danger of being lynched with the amount of town cred I had. If people were pushing too hard to lynch me, would be something to let them take pretty far to incriminate themselves (not that forming a wagon guarantees scum, but they have certainly that the death would benefit them on their side).
well. A few reasons.

a. We were doing mass claims. I claimed Joe West who is very obviously COP. (Like come on, what else would he be?)

b. If I had decided not to claim because of that, I would have had lots of suspicion pinned to me and would have wasted valuable time for the town. 

c. We needed to narrow down people, and focus our energy on those that were unknowns. You were not an unknown, so I let people know I vouched for you. 


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Not sure who it was, but skimming over things earlier, someone said something about scum choosing to kill a watcher over the lovers... Two things on this: 1. They had no way to know my role when they selected me as the NK. 2. They obviously just saw greater benefit to killing the lovers later, and prioritizing killing power roles in the short term.
Yup this is true. 
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Ok!

I'll admit were I designing this, I probably would have used Sherloque Wells as a flavor cop. However, I do understand the emotional appeal of a bigger character like Joe (even if he's less expected due to being a normal human).
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oromagi - MisterChris, SirAnonymous, Lunatic (3/5)
skittlez09 - SupaDudz (1/5)
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Not sure who it was, but skimming over things earlier, someone said something about scum choosing to kill a watcher over the lovers... Two things on this: 1. They had no way to know my role when they selected me as the NK. 2. They obviously just saw greater benefit to killing the lovers later, and prioritizing killing power roles in the short term.
It was me, but you are taking my argument out of context a bit. Oromagi was bringing up the idea that there was scum in the lovers, and made a pretty good case for why we should be skeptical of them if they survive late game. However, now he admits it was a gambit to keep the lovers alive. My point is all that gambit would achieve is keeping the lovers alive for one extra day phase, so it's not a very clever or helpful gambit for town. It meant mafia could keep them alive and kill them later, since they can target the lovers at any point. All it did was allow scum to POE hunt for investigators, which seems to be exactly what they did. If oro thought the lovers were town, it was probably in towns best interest that they died np1 as opposed to np2, as it would have allowed you to get watcher results. He doesn't have to know what roles are in the game to know there was probably town power roles that could serve town better than keeping the lover alive for 1 extra day.
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I'll admit were I designing this, I probably would have used Sherloque Wells as a flavor cop
LOL I love that
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That one guy was definitely the season villain, given that that in 60 something other realities he was, so there was no need to actually investigate!
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Why are you voting for Lunatic now? I thought you scum read me and Chris.

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look at the the read boards.  After you claimed DOC I moved you up. 
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Oh. I have to admit that I don't read those closely, so I didn't notice. I probably should pay more attention to those.