Btw this is more productive than I'm used to seeing water in mafia. It's a stark contrast to his play in stormlight and I am thinking he is probably town. That also combined with the fact he didn't get his role pm til late.
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@Pattern
I hate to mod psyche also what a mod would or wouldn't make a role. Because generally balance should take precedence to making a role make sense. That's how I mod anyway. In saying that I mean, there are probably other roles that match Sasuke better than a tracker, but if I wanted a tracker in the game I might BS the link to make it work. And it's not like the description grey gave for sasuke isn't accurate, Sasuke really did want revenge for his family's death and is technically tracking down the killer Itachi.I am thinking a better solution would be this: Have greyparrot track speed to test speeds PGO claim. Both have semi scummy claims, and grey is voting speed currently anyway. If mafia roleblock grey, it will make speed look bad (if he is town) however it will also let the cop/doc/insertotherpowerrolehere get away with free results.
I highly disagree with this course of action. Why do we want GP, a claimed, unCCed tracker to test Speed’s PGO? If you don’t trust Speed then help me policy lynch him. You know PGO is a scummy claim and my partner in the live game did it outright. We should waste a power role on a PGO?
Why should we waste a power role on a PGO*
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@ILikePie5
I highly disagree with this course of action.
I've changed my mind on it anyway, because public discussion of night actions generally allows mafia too many ways to manipulate.
Why do we want GP, a claimed, unCCed tracker to test Speed’s PGO? If you don’t trust Speed then help me policy lynch him. You know PGO is a scummy claim and my partner in the live game did it outright. We should waste a power role on a PGO?
I don't want to policy lynch people who claim millers and pgo's, because mods aren't gonna stop putting them in the game. All policy lynching will do is get millers and pgo's to stop claiming which will result in more harmful effects for town. Wasted cop results and dead power roles. Grey is a bigger risk in my opinion and I only slightly scum read speed for wagoning, but it's not like half the player pool aren't guilty of the same thing. But I am scarred from the PressF game that happened 8 months ago where grey got away with being inactive and bandwagoning. The circumstances around grey's claim were sketchy and he never really answered what his role link was just listed off random information about sasuke. Also sasuke as a character is way worse than Gaara. Gaara is more likely town or 3rd party based on the show.
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@Pattern
I wasn't really planning on tracking speed though.
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@Pattern
If he is town, it's more likely because grey is too lazy to understand that we were asking for a link to his role from his character.
honestly what I gave you was almost a direct cut and paste from the PM from Supa.
When I die youre gonna be like...wtf that's what Supa gave him as a role justification? For tracker???
Seriously.
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@Greyparrot
Yeah you are too much of a loose cannon to expect you would go with what town wants, probably best to lynch ya.
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@Greyparrot
honestly what I gave you was almost a direct cut and paste from the PM from Supa.When I die youre gonna be like...wtf that's what Supa gave him as a role justification? For tracker???Seriously.
Fair enough.
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@Pattern
I've changed my mind on it anyway, because public discussion of night actions generally allows mafia too many ways to manipulate.
Aight.
I don't want to policy lynch people who claim millers and pgo's, because mods aren't gonna stop putting them in the game. All policy lynching will do is get millers and pgo's to stop claiming which will result in more harmful effects for town. Wasted cop results and dead power roles. Grey is a bigger risk in my opinion and I only slightly scum read speed for wagoning, but it's not like half the player pool aren't guilty of the same thing. But I am scarred from the PressF game that happened 8 months ago where grey got away with being inactive and bandwagoning. The circumstances around grey's claim were sketchy and he never really answered what his role link was just listed off random information about sasuke. Also sasuke as a character is way worse than Gaara. Gaara is more likely town or 3rd party based on the show.
I disagree. As I said, it’s a last case scenario for me when we as a town don’t have a consensus. Between that and before MYLO/LYLO are the parameters. I don’t agree with a GP wagon because Tracker is a bold claim for any scum to make unless you think it’s a fake claim. Millers and PGOs require more effort from a town member in my opinion. They have to actively try in the game to scumhunt to stay alive which is beneficial to town. We’ve had millers go to MYLO and LYLO where it has worked out for us because of scum hunting. Speed should 100% be lynched over GP tho
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@Pattern
Actually I forgot to account for a Mafia Scout. Another question for you: is there a scenario where you see both Speed and GP as scum
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@ILikePie5
I disagree. As I said, it’s a last case scenario for me when we as a town don’t have a consensus.
Last case scenario or not, policy lynching is not a precedent I would like to set based on how often it results in mislynches.
Between that and before MYLO/LYLO are the parameters. I don’t agree with a GP wagon because Tracker is a bold claim for any scum to make unless you think it’s a fake claim. Millers and PGOs require more effort from a town member in my opinion. They have to actively try in the game to scumhunt to stay alive which is beneficial to town. We’ve had millers go to MYLO and LYLO where it has worked out for us because of scum hunting. Speed should 100% be lynched over GP tho
I'll consider it. Actually now that I think about it, he doesn't seem to be putting in a lot of effort to defend himself. In the last game he was lynched, he seemed a lot more passionate, and was telling town who to take action on the next day phase. If I end up voting for him, it will be closer to the phases end. We still have plenty of time. The problem with greyparrot is the usual one; If he's scum he could skate by the whole game with minimal activity while we tear each others heads off. Remember: "An active town will eat itself in the presence of inactive scum. Inactives should always be pressured."
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@ILikePie5
Actually I forgot to account for a Mafia Scout. Another question for you: is there a scenario where you see both Speed and GP as scum
Yes, grey's not beyond bussing.
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@ILikePie5
@Pattern
After thoroughly reading both sides, I have to agree with Pattern that policy-lynching may not be the greatest idea. However, Grey may be worth questioning further. For one, who the heck is he planning to track?
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@MisterChris
However, Grey may be worth questioning further. For one, who the heck is he planning to track?
I don’t think that’s something he should be saying lol.
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@Pattern
first of all you've made several personal, attacks, made tons of false accusations, and now that im catching up im finding out that youve been lunatic this whole time
secondly how am i bandwagoning exactly?
im not even voting to lynch u im voting for a vtnl cuz i dont think neither of u are scum
everyone else was tryna lynch u not me
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@ILikePie5
It's just he keeps saying he's "planning something." But he's never openly questioned anyone here, or expressed any interest into what's going on. He has given no evidence he is following the conversation, much less concocting a master plan. I feel that either the tracking role is wasted on him, or he is more aware than we think.. and his inactivity is intentional.
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@ILikePie5
unless you guys got some foolproof plan, there doesn't seem to be any logical reason on DP1 for me to say who I am going to track. Town knows next to nothing on DP1.
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@Greyparrot
unless you guys got some foolproof plan, there doesn't seem to be any logical reason on DP1 for me to say who I am going to track. Town knows next to nothing on DP1.
I agree. Our focus should be elsewhere
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@MisterChris
That message was for you too.
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@ILikePie5
I have my suspicion of at least 1 scum but there is no way I can mount a case on DP1 against him. Tracking is the easiest way to check.
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@Greyparrot
Carry on, just try to be more involved
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@skittlez09
first of all you've made several personal, attacks, made tons of false accusations, and now that im catching up im finding out that youve been lunatic this whole time
Several personal attacks? Please link said attacks lol.
secondly how am i bandwagoning exactly?
Your not caught up on the game, you popped on saw a couple of wagons and only opined on them. What about every other player in the game?
im not even voting to lynch u im voting for a vtnl cuz i dont think neither of u are scum
You said you were willing to lynch either of the wagons though, if you didn't think either were scum why would you say that?
everyone else was tryna lynch u not me
Yet you were willing to hop on a wagon
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@MisterChris
It's just he keeps saying he's "planning something." But he's never openly questioned anyone here, or expressed any interest into what's going on. He has given no evidence he is following the conversation, much less concocting a master plan. I feel that either the tracking role is wasted on him, or he is more aware than we think.. and his inactivity is intentional.
The hard thing with greyparrot is that he acts that way as both town and scum. You can go and look at any game he is been in to see this. He frequently claims dp1 if he has a power role, and then just bandwagons. If he is scum he does the same thing. I used to be for policy lynching him for it, but he still doesn't learn, and still plays the same way. He's played that way for years, going back to DDO. It's just what he does. He could easily be town here, and his non chalance is not really a scum tell. I as third party counter claimed him once because I was a lyncher. He was totally calm and cool with it, the same he is here about being lynched. He plays this game without any cares. All I am saying is that it's hard to read into. If we lynch him here, it would be kind of a policy lynch, so in a way I'd be a bit hypocritical to pie, but I think it's different from other policy based lynches.
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@Pattern
The only thing id be willing to consider speed for is the way he bandwagoned on me when it was convienent. But then again he also did that in the last couple of games too so that may be more him just sticking to the status quo.
Okkkkkk, first of all I genuinely believe that you are scum. Secondly, in that last game I also believed you were scum because there was no reason for there to be a 3-P and also because you had an almost snarky attitude that you didn't have when you were lyncher in my game, the only reason I insta-hammered instead of talking with peeps about it is because I didn't want someone to unvote because I figured at that point there'd be no way that you'd get lynched.
Btw this is more productive than I'm used to seeing water in mafia. It's a stark contrast to his play in stormlight and I am thinking he is probably town. That also combined with the fact he didn't get his role pm til late.
+1
All policy lynching will do is get millers and pgo's to stop claiming which will result in more harmful effects for town.
+1
I'll consider it. Actually now that I think about it, he doesn't seem to be putting in a lot of effort to defend himself. In the last game he was lynched, he seemed a lot more passionate, and was telling town who to take action on the next day phase.
1. There's no serious threat of me being lynched, more players are against my lynch than for it, so there's no reason to be urgent. Last game the lynch was mounting very quickly on me. 2. Last game, Disc lying directly told me that he was almost definitely scum. In this case me being PGO doesn't tell me who is scum lol so I can't say who to lynch next DP.
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@Speedrace
Last game, Disc lying directly told me that he was almost definitely scum.
Unrelated to game right now: I said the same thing, yet he claimed to hear the defense. I think it's salt tbh, nothing more and nothing less. If anyone was to fake a CC, they are a top scum read
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@Vader
Last game, Disc lying directly told me that he was almost definitely scum. In this case me being PGO doesn't tell me who is scum lol so I can't say who to lynch next DP.Unrelated to game right now: I said the same thing, yet he claimed to hear the defense. I think it's salt tbh, nothing more and nothing less. If anyone was to fake a CC, they are a top scum read
Yepppppppppp
Not gonna get much into it though
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@Speedrace
Okkkkkk, first of all I genuinely believe that you are scum.
Feel free to explain why at any point. Literally any point. When I last asked you, you just linked misterchris's reasons, which is a bandwagon. I also pointed out the hypocrisy in MisterChris's reasons, since he literally agreed with me that ousting a potential doc was anti-town and which was why he didn't do it himself. Bear plays like a noob, sure, but he isn't one. He's played in several games and knows that behavior is scummy. Maybe it didn't make as much sense coming from pattern who you supposed was new, but do you see why an experienced player finds his actions scummy? If not please let's go through this point by point. Don't just link someone else's case and pretend like that isn't wagoning. Say what you agree with in said case.
Secondly, in that last game I also believed you were scum because there was no reason for there to be a 3-P
Why was there no reason to be a 3rd party? How could you know that?
also because you had an almost snarky attitude that you didn't have when you were lyncher in my game
I get snarky when talking to brick walls. I do that as town and scum. Im bald, and somehow supa had me wanting to pull my fvcking hair out lol. Dude kept saying "I know you scum" without substantiating it. And everyone was bandwagoning him. If I was actually 3rd party you guys had wasted a lynch. It's not the lynch that pissed me off, it was the extreme lack of dialogue. The whole point of the gambit was going to be talking my way out of it like I did with the miller claim. If I heard plenty of solid reasons about why I was scum and still got lynched I would have been okay with it. That lynch would have happened regardless of if I was or wasn't actually 3rd party because it was the easy option. At least in your game I was able to help town afterwards.
the only reason I insta-hammered instead of talking with peeps about it is because I didn't want someone to unvote because I figured at that point there'd be no way that you'd get lynched.
Fair enough.
1. There's no serious threat of me being lynched, more players are against my lynch than for it, so there's no reason to be urgent. Last game the lynch was mounting very quickly on me.
Fair enough, I guess but these wagons can happen quickly.
2. Last game, Disc lying directly told me that he was almost definitely scum. In this case me being PGO doesn't tell me who is scum lol so I can't say who to lynch next DP.
Disc actually had the telescope though lol
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@ILikePie5
I agree. Our focus should be elsewhere
ya, lynching gp.
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@Vader
Unrelated to game right now: I said the same thing, yet he claimed to hear the defense. I think it's salt tbh, nothing more and nothing less. If anyone was to fake a CC, they are a top scum read
Again, MCU mafia. Why was I allowed to live and help the town there? Supa, supa, supa. You are generally a nice guy, but don't try to deny you aren't as lazy as the rest of them son.